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t a s t e
Sep 6, 2010

Do not hammer me if you are town.

##vote taste

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girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

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I wish I could play Mafia like Taste does. The complete disconnect from logic and sense must make every game a unique and ghlarfl experience.

Rascyc
Jan 23, 2008

Dissatisfied Puppy

Tremendous Taste posted:

what are you getting at here?

missed this: it reaffirms what Lamp suggested -

Lampsacus posted:

Well I did target you n1 and player names have showed up in my PMs. I just rechecked the said PM.

So lets break it down:
Either I'm lying or,
The names I pick show up but really the actual target is obscured or,
Somebody else is lying.

I'd tend towards the last one.
Met probably changed that particular PR around so it didn't confirm the bus driver as hard as it could have previously, as well as makes it more difficult for the bus driver to actually confirm other roles. Maybe he took a lesson from how hard absorber cleaned house the previous game.

Lampsacus
Oct 21, 2008

I literally do not understand half last dozen posts. Somebody just posted a picture of donuts?

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Sep 30, 2009

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Lampsacus posted:

jfiwoifafiojsdfjasidfajodsi odisoi eejio sodi! joifdsj dddd ieoxox? hoi!
I agree.

Lampsacus
Oct 21, 2008

This.

Also, it boggles my mind that I've claimed sheriff and pointed out that Opop is scum yet nobody gives a rats arse. Ah well.

death cob for cutie
Dec 30, 2006

dwarves won't delve no more
too much splatting down on Zot:4

Poison Mushroom posted:

I have no idea who to believe anymore. This game is absurd and it's entirely our own fault.

t a s t e
Sep 6, 2010

Pm I play a better game constantly shitposting than you do trying fall back

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



Hot Rope Guy
Lynching Op is fine, but we've had a tendency to turbo (especially overnight my time) so I'm seeing what else we can get out of the dayphase

Lampsacus
Oct 21, 2008

Yeah I don't quite buy that. Scum is loving all this confusion and mudding of the waters. I find it interesting that those who have claimed town roles are also reveling in it.

Questions I'm sure somebody can answer:
If I didn't target Opop, who did I target?
If nobody is coming forward with the answer, isn't it clear Opop is scum?

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Sep 30, 2009

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Lampsacus posted:

Yeah I don't quite buy that. Scum is loving all this confusion and mudding of the waters. I find it interesting that those who have claimed town roles are also reveling in it.

Questions I'm sure somebody can answer:
If I didn't target Opop, who did I target?
If nobody is coming forward with the answer, isn't it clear Opop is scum?
No one's counterclaimed, that's true enough.

##vote Opop

What the hell. If it's a fakeclaim, and Opop is town, at least it this mess of a game will be over.

Lampsacus
Oct 21, 2008

So lets be clear. The danger is that I'm fakeclaiming and NOT that the target isn't Opop right?
Poison, who did you bus drive n3?

Rascyc
Jan 23, 2008

Dissatisfied Puppy
The danger is witch / framer.

Rascyc
Jan 23, 2008

Dissatisfied Puppy
We are better off killing Eps pretty much, because if your results on Opop is be trusted, then your result on Cpig is likely to be trusted as well. Cpig is directly CC'ing Eps at this point.

It's really that simple.

Rascyc
Jan 23, 2008

Dissatisfied Puppy
No scum is ever going to directly CC Sheriff a day before mylo either. That's why I asked for sheriff to claim if we weren't going to kill TT. I messed up the mylo timing but the logic still holds fine.

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Sep 30, 2009

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Lampsacus posted:

So lets be clear. The danger is that I'm fakeclaiming and NOT that the target isn't Opop right?
Poison, who did you bus drive n3?
I tried to bus EP and either myself (if it was legal), or mfcrocker (if it wasn't). Never found out either way, my results PM just said I was roleblocked.

I thought that MFCrocker was possibly the closest thing we had to a 'confirmed' town who'd be killed based solely on their that-day posts.

CapitalistPig
Nov 3, 2005

A Winner is you!
Please lynch the liar epsilon.

Rascyc
Jan 23, 2008

Dissatisfied Puppy

Lampsacus posted:

I literally do not understand half last dozen posts. Somebody just posted a picture of donuts?

jfiwoifafiojsdfjasidfajodsi odisoi eejio sodi! joifdsj dddd ieoxox? hoi!
I was establishing that your claims are likely not fabrications on your part since TT was throwing dirt on them by virtue of a bad PM gambit (the fact you were getting names of players in your role PM).

TT is either scum or terrible 3p this game, he's not town from my PoV. Like I said before, if he was survivor with BP, he'd actually be trying to solve the game and not making tone arguments. He also wouldn't actually claim if he wanted to win with town.

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Sep 30, 2009

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Rascyc posted:

We are better off killing Eps pretty much, because if your results on Opop is be trusted, then your result on Cpig is likely to be trusted as well. Cpig is directly CC'ing Eps at this point.

It's really that simple.
Can you explain the logic to me? I'm probably missing something, but all I'm seeing in that is "Well, this one might be wrong. But this one might be wrong, and we have no idea which side of the counterclaim is accurate. Therefore, we should go with this one, because if we're wrong, ????"

Lampsacus
Oct 21, 2008

Rascyc posted:

We are better off killing Eps pretty much, because if your results on Opop is be trusted, then your result on Cpig is likely to be trusted as well. Cpig is directly CC'ing Eps at this point.

It's really that simple.
OK I understand this. However, I got a result that Opop is scum. I know you guys are better at this than me. I know it would be a stupid mistake to get a PM that somebody is scum and then be convinced by the thread to vote somebody else. So my vote is going to stick on Opop.

Rascyc
Jan 23, 2008

Dissatisfied Puppy

Poison Mushroom posted:

I tried to bus EP and either myself (if it was legal), or mfcrocker (if it wasn't). Never found out either way, my results PM just said I was roleblocked.

I thought that MFCrocker was possibly the closest thing we had to a 'confirmed' town who'd be killed based solely on their that-day posts.
Why would a scum team kill a guy that had claimed a tracker result that led to a mislynch?

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Sep 30, 2009

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Rascyc posted:

Why would a scum team kill a guy that had claimed a tracker result that led to a mislynch?

To gently caress with heads? I don't know. MFCrocker was kind of an off-the-cuff choice, because as far as I knew, all the other town-ish claimed roles were either dead, or me.

Lampsacus
Oct 21, 2008

Poison Mushroom posted:

I tried to bus EP and either myself (if it was legal), or mfcrocker (if it wasn't). Never found out either way, my results PM just said I was roleblocked.
OK so unless PMush is lying and the real driver turns up - my result on Opop was accurate.

Everybody! You either believe I'm lying or you vote Opop. There is no middle ground and don't let scum try murk the waters.

Rascyc
Jan 23, 2008

Dissatisfied Puppy

Poison Mushroom posted:

Can you explain the logic to me? I'm probably missing something, but all I'm seeing in that is "Well, this one might be wrong. But this one might be wrong, and we have no idea which side of the counterclaim is accurate. Therefore, we should go with this one, because if we're wrong, ????"
Cpig is directly CC'ing Eps. Scum CPig could be lying about direct CC and if so, he's going 1:1 if we kill Eps and he flips town (unless town can role double escort then w/e, we're hosed). However if we are indeed 1-day minus lylo, they could end game tomorrow if survivor TT or whomever actually throws in with scum. Still a bit of an iffy play.

Lamp has two sheriff results: town clear on Cpig, scum hit on Opop. Scum Lamp could be doing the same scenario as I just laid out above, just a bit more elaborate. You can only frame SCUM results in this game, you can't frame town. It stands to reason if Lamp is scum, he still had to clear Cpig here.

The only outlier scenario I can think of is if both Cpig+Lamp+Eps are scum, and they just pulled hail mary claims + a bus to get to end game at 1 day minus mylo (nobody would do this I think).

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Sep 30, 2009

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Rascyc posted:

Cpig is directly CC'ing Eps. Scum CPig could be lying about direct CC and if so, he's going 1:1 if we kill Eps and he flips town (unless town can role double escort then w/e, we're hosed). However if we are indeed 1-day minus lylo, they could end game tomorrow if survivor TT or whomever actually throws in with scum. Still a bit of an iffy play.
You're missing the essence of the situation. It's MyLo. We kill a town Eps, there is no tomorrow. I'm not seeing how you keep overlooking that, unless you're doing so intentionally.

Also, I've found that betting on what a scum CPig would or wouldn't do is a risky proposition.

death cob for cutie
Dec 30, 2006

dwarves won't delve no more
too much splatting down on Zot:4

CapitalistPig posted:

Please lynch the liar epsilon.

Okay.

Lampsacus posted:

OK so unless PMush is lying and the real driver turns up - my result on Opop was accurate.

Everybody! You either believe I'm lying or you vote Opop. There is no middle ground and don't let scum try murk the waters.

##unvote

##vote Lampsacus

Rascyc
Jan 23, 2008

Dissatisfied Puppy
Basically even if they are scum gambiting, they kind of hosed up. It's more plausible to believe Lamp is truthful. Then it's just a matter of framing/witching/etc, but framing can't account for a town clear on Cpig. So Cpig is likely truthful and was also really lazy about his play this game (whatever).

Witching can influence it but it seems like if we had a witch, they weren't anywhere to influence the clear on CPig n1 since PMush has claimed results on targeting CPig/TT, not Lamp, and that has been validated afaik through tearshed's flip and his posts about jailing.

I think that about sums it up.

I have no idea wtf TT is doing this game, I think he's genuinely the survivor that tried to throw in with scum and is just loving around now.

Rascyc
Jan 23, 2008

Dissatisfied Puppy

Poison Mushroom posted:

You're missing the essence of the situation. It's MyLo. We kill a town Eps, there is no tomorrow. I'm not seeing how you keep overlooking that, unless you're doing so intentionally.

Also, I've found that betting on what a scum CPig would or wouldn't do is a risky proposition.
EVen if it's really mylo I think my logic holds up. The hit on Opop can be framed, the clear on Cpig cannot be. Short of Cpig trolling, we're good.

Lampsacus
Oct 21, 2008

Rascyc posted:

EVen if it's really mylo I think my logic holds up. The hit on Opop can be framed, the clear on Cpig cannot be. Short of Cpig trolling, we're good.
So I actually investigated CPig because of the driver day one?

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Sep 30, 2009

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Rascyc posted:

Basically even if they are scum gambiting, they kind of hosed up. It's more plausible to believe Lamp is truthful. Then it's just a matter of framing/witching/etc, but framing can't account for a town clear on Cpig. So Cpig is likely truthful and was also really lazy about his play this game (whatever).
Okay, now it makes more sense.


Epsilon Plus posted:

Okay.

##unvote

##vote Lampsacus
Also, this post is really reminding me why I feel so good about lynching EP. He was a really good, thoughtful, inquisitive poster as Town in Beard Mafia. And in this game, he's been shallow, reactionary, and knee-jerk, barely examining anything anyone says beyond what it says for their votes on him.

In short, I'm keeping my vote on Opop for now (just in case there's still something I'm missing about this counterclaim business), but I would gladly jump back on the EP lynch train.

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Sep 30, 2009

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Lampsacus posted:

So I actually investigated CPig because of the driver day one?
That's about the size of it. I wasn't roleblocked D1, so my bus went through.

t a s t e
Sep 6, 2010

I'm scumhunting more than anyone in this thread directly against my win condition come onnnnnn

And unless pigman is godfather yes the eps lynch checks out.

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Sep 30, 2009

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Tremendous Taste posted:

unless pigman is godfather
God dammit, how did I forget about one of the most basic Mafia roles.

Rascyc
Jan 23, 2008

Dissatisfied Puppy

Lampsacus posted:

So I actually investigated CPig because of the driver day one?
Tearshed claimed jail on TT and PM claimed swap on TT/Cpig. There's no other explanation for why you got a result as far as I can tell. If you actually hit TT, you should have failed.

t a s t e
Sep 6, 2010

Lamp literally said he got a pm saying TT IS BENIGN

he did not investigate pig and get that

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

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You know what? Whatever. Even if CPig is actually the Godfather, I've had gut pings on EP being newbie scum since like D1 or D2 (too lazy to check), so yeah, let's do this.

##vote Epsilon Plus

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Sep 30, 2009

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Tremendous Taste posted:

I'm scumhunting more than anyone in this thread directly against my win condition come onnnnnn

And unless pigman is godfather yes the eps lynch checks out.


Tremendous Taste posted:

Lamp literally said he got a pm saying TT IS BENIGN

he did not investigate pig and get that
These two posts seem to contradict each other.

Conclusion: Everyone ignore TT. He's been talking out his rear end all day.

t a s t e
Sep 6, 2010

You know what would actually be a laugh here?

no lynch.

Come at it again tomorrow with more information from a given flip

Rascyc
Jan 23, 2008

Dissatisfied Puppy
cpig claimed he rb'ed pmush n2 and pmush acknowledged that, nobody else seems to be able to account for any weird swappings that night soooooooooo

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Lampsacus
Oct 21, 2008

So people are voting EP based on strong gut whereas op/me is more of a 50/50?

screw it guys you are going to have to vote for one of us eventually. Although I guess if I die tonight you can just lynch op tomorrow.

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