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Why didn't mance just have the thenns hold the top of the wall while hundreds of wildlings climbed up after them, then walked along the wall to castle black?
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Iggles posted:Why didn't mance just have the thenns hold the top of the wall while hundreds of wildlings climbed up after them, then walked along the wall to castle black? Drama
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Oct 10, 2014 00:42
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Iggles posted:Why didn't mance just have the thenns hold the top of the wall while hundreds of wildlings climbed up after them, then walked along the wall to castle black? Also choke point issues...it's narrow and there's nowhere to go and the crows did patrol at least some of the wall...once they were outed it's not hard to set up a few ballistas and play impale the then.
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Oct 10, 2014 23:48
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ActusRhesus posted:Also choke point issues...it's narrow and there's nowhere to go and the crows did patrol at least some of the wall...once they were outed it's not hard to set up a few ballistas and play impale the then. I could opine on the rate of fire of a ballista, that number's relation to the multitudes of wildlings and the accuracy of medieval technology shooting at man-sized targets 400 feet in the air, but then I remember that GM is an Absolute Fucker.
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Oct 11, 2014 01:57
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AtAt-de-fay posted:I could opine on the rate of fire of a ballista, that number's relation to the multitudes of wildlings and the accuracy of medieval technology shooting at man-sized targets 400 feet in the air, but then I remember that GM is an Absolute Fucker. I imagine there would already be large weapons on top of the wall. But your later point stands. He is indeed a fucker.
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Oct 11, 2014 02:09
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Mance had giants that he did nothing with. Giants. Creatures that could probably swing a 2-300 pound mattock. I get that the wall is ~magical ice~ but unless Mance actually thought that digging a hole would mean the Others could get through too even if they sealed it, the only reason he wouldn't do this is because: A. He's retarded. B. Martin is an absolute fucker.
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Oct 11, 2014 02:25
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why didn't they just go around it again? I mean isn't there some point where you can just hop on a small boat and sail the 500 feet around the loving thing?
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Oct 11, 2014 06:34
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This is addressed in the books. Mance gambled on a quick decisive victory because he knew that any kind of protracted siege or maneuvering would allow the Others to kill more of his people.quote:Mance ran a hand along the curve of the great horn. “No man goes hunting with only one arrow in his quiver,” he said. “I had hoped that Styr and Jarl would take your brothers unawares, and open the gate for us. I drew your garrison away with feints and raids and secondary attacks. Bowen Marsh swallowed that lure as I knew he would, but your band of cripples and orphans proved to be more stubborn than anticipated. Don’t think you’ve stopped us, though. The truth is, you are too few and we are too many. I could continue the attack here and still send ten thousand men to cross the Bay of Seals on rafts and take Eastwatch from the rear. I could storm the Shadow Tower too, I know the approaches as well as any man alive. I could send men and mammoths to dig out the gates at the castles you’ve abandoned, all of them at once.”
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Oct 11, 2014 07:01
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e: Nevermind. He's got text.
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Oct 11, 2014 07:02
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In It For The Tank posted:This is addressed in the books. Mance gambled on a quick decisive victory because he knew that any kind of protracted siege or maneuvering would allow the Others to kill more of his people. then why did he attack the gate in the first place?
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Oct 11, 2014 07:51
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... because he wanted a quick decisive victory where he overpowered the "cripples and orphans" defending Castle Black.
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Oct 11, 2014 07:56
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In It For The Tank posted:... because he wanted a quick decisive victory where he overpowered the "cripples and orphans" defending Castle Black. I think his logic for not going around the wall was poo poo. I'm pretty loving confident that they could have marched their merry little troop the whole way and just moved right into castle black from the northern side.
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Oct 11, 2014 10:43
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They did send a troop around, it was beaten at the Bridge of Skulls which for some reason happened entirely off-focus and was briefly told to Jon in like two sentences. Meanwhile, twenty chapters of Arya walking in circles.
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Oct 11, 2014 11:37
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In It For The Tank posted:... because he wanted a quick decisive victory where he overpowered the "cripples and orphans" defending Castle Black. And sending giants to an abandoned castle a few weeks earlier, like when Jon climbed the wall with the wildlings, is more than his apparently otherwise sharp mind could consider. The reasons Mance gives seems almost like a GURM cop-out. He could've overrun the bay of seals and then Castle Black with those forces to open the gate but he instead sends a crow he just recently met to help a small band maybe take Castle Black. Mance is an idiot. But we won't see any more of it because no more books are going to come out.
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Oct 11, 2014 18:30
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Kuiperdolin posted:They did send a troop around, it was beaten at the Bridge of Skulls which for some reason happened entirely off-focus and was briefly told to Jon in like two sentences. will take 20 chapters of arya walking around in circles all angry and sociopathlike over 20 chapters of bran being bran any day of the week.
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Oct 12, 2014 00:06
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ActusRhesus posted:I imagine there would already be large weapons on top of the wall. But your later point stands. He is indeed a fucker. But remember these castles were terribly unmanned and no one cared about the wall for years. I imagine the weapons are beyond disrepair, if there are any, and if they aren't what are the chances they have ammunition for them? Or anyone knows how to operate them. Also GRRM is an absolute fucker.
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Oct 12, 2014 13:33
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Hunky Joe posted:But remember these castles were terribly unmanned and no one cared about the wall for years. I imagine the weapons are beyond disrepair, if there are any, and if they aren't what are the chances they have ammunition for them? Or anyone knows how to operate them. Your last sentence is pretty much all that needs to be said.
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Oct 12, 2014 14:51
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I don't suppose he's said anything, anything at all about the next book?
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Oct 13, 2014 10:55
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Elman posted:I don't suppose he's said anything, anything at all about the next book? other than the released chapters and a lot of "gently caress you it will be finished when it's finished"? No.
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Oct 13, 2014 12:26
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Elman posted:I don't suppose he's said anything, anything at all about the next book? I just checked his website yesterday and the last update for Winds of Winter was a sample chapter from January 2013 
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Oct 13, 2014 17:40
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p.crestmont posted:I just checked his website yesterday and the last update for Winds of Winter was a sample chapter from January 2013 I wish he'd release more. Every sample chapter from WoW so far has been incredible
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Oct 13, 2014 17:53
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p.crestmont posted:I just checked his website yesterday and the last update for Winds of Winter was a sample chapter from January 2013 He probably hasn't had time to, since he's so busy writing.
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Oct 13, 2014 17:58
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various cheeses posted:He probably hasn't had time to, since he's so busy writing. Writing all those  replies to fan mail takes time.
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Oct 13, 2014 18:32
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I cant english sometimes
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Oct 14, 2014 09:03
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various cheeses posted:He probably hasn't had time to, since he's so busy writing. He's contracted out the GoT writers room to finish the books for him. They alternate between writing a show episode and writing a book chapter while he just sits in a corner watching them, breathing heavily. 
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Oct 14, 2014 21:01
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nine-gear crow posted:He's contracted out the GoT writers room to finish the books for him. They alternate between writing a show episode and writing a book chapter while he just sits in a corner watching them, breathing heavily. They shouldn't have any problems with elaborate food descriptions with GURM serving as Pickman's Model.
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Oct 14, 2014 21:31
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So I have a quick question. I read A Game of Thrones, and really enjoyed it, but petered out on A Clash of Kings, and never picked it back up. I began to hear spoilers from the show just from cultural osmosis, and just decided to not even bother with it, as good as the first book was. Recently, I was discussing this with a friend who told me she thought that was for the best, because she believed the books were bloated, with little progression and the series never went further than the depth of the first book. To her, the TV show is better, simply because it has the editing and isn't as much of a time commitment. This all said, I hear such good things about the series, I often get tempted to try to get back in. So, given the major spoilers (The Red Wedding, Joffrey's death, etc) I have heard, and my apprehension, is this series still ultimately as good as people say? Is it worth the enormous time commitment?
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Oct 16, 2014 01:37
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Hiro Protagonist posted:So I have a quick question. I read A Game of Thrones, and really enjoyed it, but petered out on A Clash of Kings, and never picked it back up. I began to hear spoilers from the show just from cultural osmosis, and just decided to not even bother with it, as good as the first book was. Recently, I was discussing this with a friend who told me she thought that was for the best, because she believed the books were bloated, with little progression and the series never went further than the depth of the first book. To her, the TV show is better, simply because it has the editing and isn't as much of a time commitment. This all said, I hear such good things about the series, I often get tempted to try to get back in. So, given the major spoilers (The Red Wedding, Joffrey's death, etc) I have heard, and my apprehension, is this series still ultimately as good as people say? Is it worth the enormous time commitment? Yes, but only for Strong Belwas.
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Oct 16, 2014 01:44
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im pretty sure i can read the first three books in under forty hours but maybe im just a big fucker nerd who reads too fast
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Oct 16, 2014 01:53
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Hiro Protagonist posted:Is it worth the enormous time commitment? Finishing the series is better than nothing, but not by much. If you have literally anything else to do with your time don't bother. But while taking a dump or waiting for a relative to get out of surgery then go to town.
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Oct 16, 2014 02:08
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If you are going to read or you enjoy fantasy fiction you could do a lot worse than these books and should give them another go. Particularly as Clash being slow is a common complaint and the third is most lauded. If you enjoyed GoT it's more than likely you'll enjoy Storm.
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Oct 16, 2014 02:16
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By the time I read CoK I was happy that it was moving so slow...I didn't want it to end because I knew it would be a while before I could pick up the next one and I was happy that more and more story was being crunched in before the big finale I knew was coming.
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Oct 16, 2014 06:34
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Hiro Protagonist posted:Is it worth the enormous time commitment? The time spent reading the books will seem like a blink of an eye compared to the time spent waiting for new books to come out.
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Oct 16, 2014 07:23
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kcroy posted:congratz on 9 years of suffering! It was forums user geno1173 who made it.
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Oct 16, 2014 09:42
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Hiro Protagonist posted:So I have a quick question. I read A Game of Thrones, and really enjoyed it, but petered out on A Clash of Kings, and never picked it back up. I began to hear spoilers from the show just from cultural osmosis, and just decided to not even bother with it, as good as the first book was. Recently, I was discussing this with a friend who told me she thought that was for the best, because she believed the books were bloated, with little progression and the series never went further than the depth of the first book. To her, the TV show is better, simply because it has the editing and isn't as much of a time commitment. This all said, I hear such good things about the series, I often get tempted to try to get back in. So, given the major spoilers (The Red Wedding, Joffrey's death, etc) I have heard, and my apprehension, is this series still ultimately as good as people say? Is it worth the enormous time commitment? pirate the audio books and listen them while exercising, doing chores and driving to work
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Oct 16, 2014 11:01
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Hiro Protagonist posted:So I have a quick question. I read A Game of Thrones, and really enjoyed it, but petered out on A Clash of Kings, and never picked it back up. I began to hear spoilers from the show just from cultural osmosis, and just decided to not even bother with it, as good as the first book was. Recently, I was discussing this with a friend who told me she thought that was for the best, because she believed the books were bloated, with little progression and the series never went further than the depth of the first book. To her, the TV show is better, simply because it has the editing and isn't as much of a time commitment. This all said, I hear such good things about the series, I often get tempted to try to get back in. So, given the major spoilers (The Red Wedding, Joffrey's death, etc) I have heard, and my apprehension, is this series still ultimately as good as people say? Is it worth the enormous time commitment? it's worth reading up to the 3rd book atleast. you can just stop after that one and not miss out on much other than a gratuitous amount of food descriptions.
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Oct 16, 2014 12:47
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Full-Bodied Flavor posted:it's worth reading up to the 3rd book atleast. you can just stop after that one and not miss out on much other than They could skip the food descriptions except for the Manderly sections because Manderly owns
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Oct 16, 2014 19:31
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kcroy posted:The time spent reading the books will seem like a blink of an eye compared to the time spent waiting for new books to come out. Considering the series is only like 4.5k pages, reading the whole series should only take something like 30-40 hours. The TV series is something like 45 hrs at the moment? And each audio book is between 30-40h. Meanwhile it has been 100k+ hours since aCoC came out and we still haven't seen the end of Feast. Also reading Wikipedia on ASOIAF I realize that GRRM implemented not 1 but 2 5 year jumps in the series. Just not in the storyline.
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Oct 16, 2014 19:51
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Anders posted:It was forums user geno1173 who made it. Hrm, is that user still around? I don't have the fancy pants subscription that lets me do things like look up users or PM or archives or whatever. Cardiac posted:
What do you mean?
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Oct 16, 2014 21:54
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kcroy posted:What do you mean? Two five-year gaps between books being published, presumably.
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