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Drifter posted:Of course. Why would you think otherwise? Their reason for the notepad substitution was because they want to shoot up until the last minute, apparently. Ah you were talking about work being cut so I wasn't sure. I guess I look at it as getting the doc and a notebook now so it is even better for me.
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Drifter posted:Also, I suspect I know why they did it (because they simply hadn't devoted the requisite work hours), but I would have never expected a behind the scenes/documentary to go from inception to release. Nobody cares about that last month or two. That's covered by press interviews and whatnot. It seems to me they could have very well made a perfectly wonderful documentary with all that behind the scenes development stuff and shipped it with the other things had they spent the time doing it. All it takes is planning and understanding the limitations. How does ANYONE else send out these things? They just plan ahead and cut the documentary when it needs to be cut and no quality is lost. I will not watch the documentary, so I don't really care but a documentary that doesn't cover the last phase until release isn't a very good one. Drifter posted:I'm sure it just comes down to money. prometheus12345 fucked around with this message at 00:18 on Oct 15, 2014 |
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Oct 15, 2014 00:08
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prometheus12345 posted:I will not watch the documentary, so I don't really care but a documentary that doesn't cover the last phase until release isn't a very good one. Aside from a producer flapping his arms in the air and voila-ing away a curtain to reveal a gold master copy of the game, there's not much that happens in the last month that also hasn't happened in the past two years.
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adhuin posted:It's more that they paid specifically for that Blu-ray/DVD (Valued at $10-20) and are getting a notepad (value for median pledger approaches ~$0). It will definitely hurt their chances at getting people to pay for higher tiers of any future projects, since "dumb goodies" are the reason people waste money on over-priced versions of the same game to begin with.
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People are actually doomsaying future projects over this and it's both hilarious and a sad example of how consumers live at the margins. It's the poo poo that doesn't matter that makes the biggest stink
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Oct 15, 2014 02:19
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People are dumb. That notepad is way better than a stupid DVD.
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Look I'm very angry because I get a cool notepad rather than a worse version of something in an obsolete format that I'd get anyway. Hell, Eternity wasn't a kickstarter the last time I used my DVD drive. The last time that thing was opened it was in a different case.
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Drifter posted:Also, I suspect I know why they did it (because they simply hadn't devoted the requisite work hours) * The company we contracted.
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Oct 15, 2014 03:30
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i don't want a notepad I want a signed obsidian hockey jersey worn by rope kid and avellone throughout development tyia
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Basic Chunnel posted:People are actually doomsaying future projects over this and it's both hilarious and a sad example of how consumers live at the margins. It's the poo poo that doesn't matter that makes the biggest stink
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^^^ it was basically 100 vs 140 - were that 140 also got you a cloth map and mousepad as well as that physical documentary.rope kid posted:We've* been shooting documentary footage periodically for the entire duration of development. I didn't mean to imply you guys^ weren't shooting your material, just that it possibly wouldn't have been able to be cut in time to meet a pregold date. I'm curious to see what that delay allows as far as more interesting footage from the final month+ of post production. Drifter fucked around with this message at 03:44 on Oct 15, 2014 |
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Oct 15, 2014 03:41
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FRINGE posted:Its not doomsaying to make the obvious statement that people will think twice before dropping 250 instead of 30.
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xthetenth posted:Look I'm very angry because I get a cool notepad rather than a worse version of something in an obsolete format that I'd get anyway. Yah, physical media is totally pointless in 2014. Give me something I'll get some use out of. Like sheets of dead tree to scratch notes on.  The relative value is irrelevant. Disk promised, disk should be delivered. It's just good customer service.
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I'm really quite skeptical of the notion that people pitched in more specifically not for the documentary itself but for the physical plastic container for the documentary data, such that this change would drop the scales from their eyes and cause them to be wiser, more worldly people all of a sudden. Lesson learned, I guess? More likely that the trinket never really mattered all that much until it was something being "taken away"
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FRINGE posted:Its not doomsaying to make the obvious statement that people will think twice before dropping 250 instead of 30. I paid $250 because I wanted to support the development of an Obsidian game and it's what I could afford. I couldn't care less about whether or not I watch a documentary about the game from a disk or web address.
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Airfoil posted:Yah, physical media is totally pointless in 2014. Give me something I'll get some use out of. Like sheets of dead tree to scratch notes on. I use paper a lot. Like a lot a lot. In fact I have five pices of scratch paper in various states of use next to me on my desk right now and more at my office. Meanwhile I have a desktop that's probably had a civilization of dust rise and fall in it and a work laptop without one.
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Basic Chunnel posted:More likely that the trinket never really mattered all that much until it was something being "taken away" I think you just hit the nail on the head. Also, you do see all the posts about peoples' collections of movies or game boxes and posters and instruction manuals and figurines and whatnot, I'd think there were a lot (statistically significant or no) of people who had a space reserved in their bookshelf for another movie case related to some videogame. I think it's less impressive to the ego to have a notepad and less 'collectible'.
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The obvious problem with a notepad is that it will be used up. Whereas a DVD will sit unused and pristine in its case, forever.
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Cirofren posted:I paid $250 because I wanted to support the development of an Obsidian game and it's what I could afford. I couldn't care less about whether or not I watch a documentary about the game from a disk or web address.
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Basic Chunnel posted:Anybody who would pitch that kind of money and become disillusioned over this has far more of it than they have sense, tbh People who spent those high amounts of money probably only got upset after they read comments from other people who were upset.
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I'd spend 250 bucks on a prime chance to get angry on the internet over trivial things.
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xthetenth posted:I use paper a lot. Like a lot a lot. In fact I have five pices of scratch paper in various states of use next to me on my desk right now and more at my office. Meanwhile I have a desktop that's probably had a civilization of dust rise and fall in it and a work laptop without one. And I watch a lot of movies using on an actual BD player. Which is a fact as irrelevant to my point as your love of paper. I sense not many people see the value of doing what's necessary to deliver on promises, so yah. Giving up the argument and moving on.
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Basic Chunnel posted:I'm really quite skeptical of the notion that people pitched in more specifically not for the documentary itself but for the physical plastic container for the documentary data, such that this change would drop the scales from their eyes and cause them to be wiser, more worldly people all of a sudden. Lesson learned, I guess?
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Cirofren posted:I paid $250 because I wanted to support the development of an Obsidian game and it's what I could afford. I couldn't care less about whether or not I watch a documentary about the game from a disk or web address. Same here. The only physical object I care about is the autographed box, and only because it's autographed 
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When I built this PC around 3 years ago I ordered an incompatible dvd drive by accident. I still have yet to bother getting a new one even though they're cheap as dirt and easy to install. I don't think I ever will.
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The best thing would probably be to offer to reimburse those people 10$ or something. Some people paid for a physical copy of the documentary, if that is so silly and pointless then Obsidian shouldn't have offered it in the high tiers. I didn't pledge to get one, but I see no reason to mock the people who did.
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If they are having trouble coming up with the money to make the DVDs they could always open up a kickstarter.
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Vargs posted:When I built this PC around 3 years ago I ordered an incompatible dvd drive by accident. I still have yet to bother getting a new one even though they're cheap as dirt and easy to install. I don't think I ever will. Me too, for the most part. I have used a dvd player once in the past two years to reinstall Windows. However, the argument isn't "what do you use," it's "I paid for this thing and got this instead." I can see people being disappointed and can empathize. I wouldn't be all that satisfied with a notepad. Obsidian made what seems like a good effort to substitute - whether the substitution is of comparable value notwithstanding - for their being unable to deliver the other promise. *I actually wonder if people would have been satisfied (more) had Obsidian just sent out empty (but artistically complete) Bluray packaging so people could burn a copy of their own on a disc if they wanted. It sounds like people want packaging to show off more than the disc inside considering they'd have internet access to watch the documentary online (and probably not watch it more than once or twice). Drifter fucked around with this message at 05:39 on Oct 15, 2014 |
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Send a dvd that opens the web page, that should satisfy them 
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Airfoil posted:I sense not many people see the value of doing what's necessary to deliver on promises, so yah. Giving up the argument and moving on. Drifter posted:*I actually wonder if people would have been satisfied (more) had Obsidian just sent out empty (but artistically complete) Bluray packaging so people could burn a copy of their own on a disc if they wanted. It sounds like people want packaging to show off more than the disc inside considering they'd have internet access to watch the documentary online (and probably not watch it more than once or twice). Basic Chunnel fucked around with this message at 06:15 on Oct 15, 2014 |
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Basic Chunnel posted:They also promised and reneged on two different release dates, so you should really be more frustrated with the project as a whole Reneging a release date is fine if the product appears at a later date. A timing issue is an inconvenience, not a renege. Reneging on a release would be a different matter. What do you mean free rewards? You pay for a tier with certain elements, the difference in tier pricing means it's not free, by default.
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The really hardcore fans who really want the Bluray/DVD should get a speck of rope kid's chest hair in a plastic bag instead.
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Drifter posted:Reneging a release date is fine if the product appears at a later date. A timing issue is an inconvenience, not a renege. Reneging on a release would be a different matter. As for the release date, someone getting ornery over revised dates wouldn't be unjustified, even if they would be tedious to listen to. Investors (of which we obliquely are, through KS) are under no obligation to understand how hard game development is or be sympathetic to the trials of the devs, they have every right to hold them to their word and deliver what they promised when they promise it (which, up until a few weeks ago, was very clear and firm regarding release within the year). Most simply don't because their calculus (quite accurately) tells them that being inflexible will net them a poorer product. People can be cross over the DVD but it's clearly small potatoes stuff.
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Furism posted:The really hardcore fans who really want the Bluray/DVD should get a speck of rope kid's chest hair in a *DVD-case* instead. FIXED!
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There's a Superman: Quest for Peace joke in there somewhere.
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They should just send out a beta DVD and patch it later once it's fully done.
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I just hope that the staff at Obsidian managed to successfully coach their team through the fact that they won't be playing Santa Claus this year. My thoughts are with you and your fellow developers and designers through this dark period in history, Rope kid. 
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Krowley posted:They should just send out a beta DVD and patch it later once it's fully done. Joke aside, I imagine that if it was possible to release a version of the documentary that didn't include the final days of the development first and then release another episode covering the last stretch of development, they'd do it. In practice, I imagine that'd mean more and pricier work on part of the company that's working on the documentary. The notebook *is* kind of a disappointment. I personally don't see it as a big deal, but the perceived value is undoubtedly less than an actual physical copy of a documentary.
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Send them a t-shirt instead. "I backed for a DVD documentary and all I got was this lousy t-shirt." With a ligatured font.
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As long as you can actually download the Documentary in 720p/1080p mkv then that's fine. OT but Serpent in the Staglands is pretty sweet, atmosphere 10/10 ... and combat is better than Pillars of Eternity atm  perhaps a bit slow though.
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