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Ghost of Mussolini posted:Las Vegas is so poo poo that it deserves F1 and F1 deserves it right back Macau would be better than Vegas.
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Bernie will continue to book tracks in the dusty shitholes that will give him the most money till the day he dies. We can theorise about all the best tracks and wouldn't it be nice all we like, but the fact that F1 is at these poor excuses for tracks and isn't at imola, donnington or brands hatch is proof positive that he does not give one iota of a gently caress about the fans who would happily pack out all of these tracks. He's turned F1 into a "corporate event", that feeds money to himself and the owners while leaving gently caress all for the small teams. Thanks Satan.
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learnincurve posted:Bernie will continue to book tracks in the dusty shitholes that will give him the most money till the day he dies. We can theorise about all the best tracks and wouldn't it be nice all we like, but the fact that F1 is at these poor excuses for tracks and isn't at imola, donnington or brands hatch is proof positive that he does not give one iota of a gently caress about the fans who would happily pack out all of these tracks. He's turned F1 into a "corporate event", that feeds money to himself and the owners while leaving gently caress all for the small teams. Thanks Satan. Abloo bloo F1 no longer happens solely in Europe with gimme fly away races, savages outside of the glorious EU won't appreciate F1 on as many intellectual levels as i will.
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Butt Wizard posted:Abloo bloo F1 no longer happens solely in Europe with gimme fly away races, savages outside of the glorious EU won't appreciate F1 on as many intellectual levels as i will. Yeah but he's right though.
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Oct 18, 2014 11:57
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Linedance posted:Yeah but he's right though. Bernie isn't bringing F1 to New Zealand despite the huge part it's played in the sport's history (no matter how much the English conveniently ignore it) but I'm not going to get my panties in a bunch because Russia gets a race and we don't. But that's cool. Feel free to ignore the pre-war racing in Tripoli, or the races they had in Cuba where Fangio was loving kidnapped before the race as a political hostage. I mean apart from showing that Grand Prix racing went everywhere and no matter who was in charge, it doesn't really fit in with the 'God Save the Queen, all the teams have their bases in the Midlands so the sport is really British, except for Ferrari but they're just fiery Eye-ties' pomp and nonsense view that races should only ever happen in Europe because European fans just get it more than those weird colonists and guineas. I fill my car up at Bruce McLaren's Dad's old garage. I walk past Ayrton Senna's MP4/4 every day on the way to work. But I I wouldn't count as a 'proper fan' if there was a race in this part of the world, because you can't have real enthusiasts outside of Britain/Western Europe apparently.
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Butt Wizard posted:I'm not going to get my panties in a bunch
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Butt Wizard posted:Bernie isn't bringing F1 to New Zealand despite the huge part it's played in the sport's history (no matter how much the English conveniently ignore it) but I'm not going to get my panties in a bunch because Russia gets a race and we don't. But that's cool. Feel free to ignore the pre-war racing in Tripoli, or the races they had in Cuba where Fangio was loving kidnapped before the race as a political hostage. I mean apart from showing that Grand Prix racing went everywhere and no matter who was in charge, it doesn't really fit in with the 'God Save the Queen, all the teams have their bases in the Midlands so the sport is really British, except for Ferrari but they're just fiery Eye-ties' pomp and nonsense view that races should only ever happen in Europe because European fans just get it more than those weird colonists and guineas. "I'm going to get really mad at you even though we have the exact same opinion" - Butt Wizard
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MrL_JaKiri posted:"I'm going to get really mad at you even though we have the exact same opinion" - Butt Wizard Yea, you're right. Me not really caring where the races are held are exactly the same as some sort of wah wah about how corporate the events are. Way to read bro. E: I can't bunch what I'm not wearing - it's the weekend god damnit.
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Butt Wizard posted:Yea, you're right. Me not really caring where the races are held are exactly the same as some sort of wah wah about how corporate the events are. Way to read bro. "I care about the history of F1 dammit!" is pretty much the take home message from both of you
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? I don't think anyone is saying you couldn't have a race in NZ? The Australia/Singapore/Malaysia and so on set of races are fantastic. No reason why you couldn't have Melbourne, Adelaide, and a new track in NZ, one with trees around the track would be outstanding . What prohibits there being 30 races a year at this point is that the smaller teams couldn't afford it, and that is another reason why "teams should be able to survive on their own" line is pure bollocks. There should be no development caps because of money concerns, F1 should be the best that it can possibly be and if there were more money filtering down then it would be about who is the best rather than small teams having to hide their formula 1 cars in germany because of the bailiffs.
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learnincurve posted:? I don't think anyone is saying you couldn't have a race in NZ? The Australia/Singapore/Malaysia and so on set of races are fantastic. No reason why you couldn't have Melbourne, Adelaide, and a new track in NZ, one with trees around the track would be outstanding . What prohibits there being 30 races a year at this point is that the smaller teams couldn't afford it, and that is another reason why "teams should be able to survive on their own" line is pure bollocks. There should be no development caps because of money concerns, F1 should be the best that it can possibly be and if there were more money filtering down then it would be about who is the best rather than small teams having to hide their formula 1 cars in germany because of the bailiffs. There's no population base for it here. The Rugby World Cup basically stretched us to our limits for hospitality and there isn't anywhere to build a circuit and nowhere to have a street race. And no one is going to come out here as well if there's a race with a three hour shorter flight they can see. Sometimes life sucks, that's the way it is. That said, I still find the view that races should happen at Donnington or Brands or Imola or any other obviously unsuitable circuit because 'tradition' or 'British/Italian fans care more' stupidly Eurocentric. If F1 wants to be a European navel gazing exercise, then so be it, but that's not what F1 is. It's trying to be a world championship. If you want something to blame for less EU races, blame the tobacco advertising ban.
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Truthfully? I'd like to see a revival of the Tasman series. Run cheapy F4/F3 cars around Australian and NZ tracks and have it open to up and coming youngsters (for development) and retired F1 drivers (for marketing). I think it'd be great.
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Butt Wizard posted:There's no population base for it here. The Rugby World Cup basically stretched us to our limits for hospitality and there isn't anywhere to build a circuit and nowhere to have a street race. And no one is going to come out here as well if there's a race with a three hour shorter flight they can see. Sometimes life sucks, that's the way it is.
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There are many different kinds of fans. I personally am interested in interesting tracks with great corners and scenery that produce fantastic races rather than a parade. The fact is that the new tracks in the dusty shitholes are not delivering this, if you want to look at something done right recently look at Circuit of the Americas and then compare it to the Sochi Autodrom.
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learnincurve posted:There are many different kinds of fans. I personally am interested in interesting tracks with great corners and scenery that produce fantastic races rather than a parade. The fact is that the new tracks in the dusty shitholes are not delivering this, if you want to look at something done right recently look at Circuit of the Americas and then compare it to the Sochi Autodrom. I still suspect that Sochi was ruined by the tyres, not the circuit itself. I'm giving that one a chance for next year when Pirelli bring the right ones.
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lmao at all these anglos thinking that they have made an important contribution to motorsport when they don't even drive on the right side of the road. If you're going to complain so much then just leave racing to the big boys on the continent
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darth cookie posted:I still suspect that Sochi was ruined by the tyres, not the circuit itself. I'm giving that one a chance for next year when Pirelli bring the right ones. You may be right, either no one wants to be the first one to cause a crash or they were told to make it boring by the FIA. I am not being argumentative because I have done a silly thing. Long story short, I forgot it was the national car car championships at donnington and that http://www.formulajedi.com/ is running, and you know where I am currently not even though I can get in the doors and back in the paddock for free? gently caress
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Linedance posted:
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Butt Wizard posted:Bernie isn't bringing F1 to New Zealand despite the huge part it's played in the sport's history (no matter how much the English conveniently ignore it) but I'm not going to get my panties in a bunch because Russia gets a race and we don't. But that's cool. Feel free to ignore the pre-war racing in Tripoli, or the races they had in Cuba where Fangio was loving kidnapped before the race as a political hostage. I mean apart from showing that Grand Prix racing went everywhere and no matter who was in charge, it doesn't really fit in with the 'God Save the Queen, all the teams have their bases in the Midlands so the sport is really British, except for Ferrari but they're just fiery Eye-ties' pomp and nonsense view that races should only ever happen in Europe because European fans just get it more than those weird colonists and guineas. Yeah there was also a race in Morroco, I think the eurocentricity thing happened post-1960 to the 1990s. Aside from Japan, Canada, and the USA of course.
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Do I remember the Turkey races being good and then Bernie doubled the fees and they told him to gently caress off?
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Argentina Brazil US Grand Prix West (at a Riverside Clone or at an upgraded Willow Springs) South Africa San Marino Spain Monaco Canadian European = (Either Brands Hatch or one of the German Circuits) French British Dutch Germany Hungarian Austrian Belgian Italian US Grand Prix East (Watkins Glen) Mexico Australian Japanese Is how I'd have the schedule. Run Bahrain, Texas Abu Dhabi, Malaysia, and Chinese during the offseason as "Exhibition races".
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Indy has off season races covered already though.
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Possibly Chicken posted:Indy has off season races covered already though. lol like those will ever happen. (please happen though).
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There is some pretty cool experimental and legacy racing going on in off season these days if you go to the tracks, usually costs you about £25 for the weekend. I'm not boned up on all of them but for example there is/was a porsche challenge cup feeder tournament on today.
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You know how at the beginning of the season we were talking about the most inept title defence ever, well although an argument still could be made for Hill leaving Williams to go race shitboxes, we know Vettel is a clear winner on this one however how's about this for a fall from grace: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Legard 2010 BBCs main F1 commentator, 2011 commentator on the football league show, 2012 relief F1 commentator and actual commentator on the Olympics volleyball. "2013: DTM highlights commentator for ITV4"
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MattD1zzl3 posted:F1 2010 - poo poo, Unplayable obviously bad seasons have good games and the other way around
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MattD1zzl3 posted:Why dont they use their licence to make full games out of old seasons? If they're willing to modify liveries and drop sponsors to get around issues (the williams in f1 2014), why cant we see Codemasters F1- 1965 or Codemasters F1- 1982? Out of curiosity, if they were to add seasons like this as paid DLC (1965 season DLC $9.99, 1982 season DLC $9.99, that kind of thing), would you be happy to have it at all, or would you be pissed that it's not included in the main game?
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Butt Wizard posted:Britain/Western Europe Not the same thing at all, thank you very much
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Is it a coincidence that all the bad american posters want F1 to go to Watkins Glen?
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I watch the NASCAR road races at Watkins Glen every year because it's a hilarious clusterfuck every time.
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serious gaylord posted:Is it a coincidence that all the bad american posters want F1 to go to Watkins Glen? 
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Alain Post posted:Colin Kolles owns. 
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learnincurve posted:? I don't think anyone is saying you couldn't have a race in NZ? The Australia/Singapore/Malaysia and so on set of races are fantastic. No reason why you couldn't have Melbourne, Adelaide, and a new track in NZ, one with trees around the track would be outstanding . What prohibits there being 30 races a year at this point is that the smaller teams couldn't afford it, and that is another reason why "teams should be able to survive on their own" line is pure bollocks. There should be no development caps because of money concerns, F1 should be the best that it can possibly be and if there were more money filtering down then it would be about who is the best rather than small teams having to hide their formula 1 cars in germany because of the bailiffs. +1 amen.
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Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:I watch the NASCAR road races at Watkins Glen every year because it's a hilarious clusterfuck every time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjpp4Nfu7Ow
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Butt Wizard posted:Bernie isn't bringing F1 to New Zealand despite the huge part it's played in the sport's history New Zealand played a huge part?. You mean 'a' New Zealander had a big part, but all of that took place in England and not New Zealand. Further the team didn't even win a title until after his death. New Zealands influence on F1 is miniscule.
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ImplicitAssembler posted:New Zealand played a huge part?. You mean 'a' New Zealander had a big part, but all of that took place in England and not New Zealand. Further the team didn't even win a title until after his death. New Zealands influence on F1 is miniscule. Yes. The only NZer to ever make a mark on F1 was Bruce McLaren. How silly of me.
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Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:I watch the NASCAR road races at Watkins Glen every year because it's a hilarious clusterfuck every time. It's enjoyable watching Australians beat Americans at a sport the invented and almost single handedly procure new talent.
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