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Mischitary posted:I actually think Nomura made an outfit with as much weird poo poo as possible so that he could see if they'd be able to model it in-game properly. Yes, I'm completely serious. Also, I think that Nomura seems to enjoy the challenge of making absurdly complicated characters with tiny details all over the place. IIRC, that was the logic behind Lulu's belt dress - his challenge to the FMV staff. They responded by either having her remain static, or framing above her waist when she moved 
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Mischitary posted:One of the best designs in the series, I think. I really like it. I like how it incorporates some elements of Tidus's design. I think it's got a good base but way too much poo poo (surprise surprise). Basically, remove the half-dress and the super weird ponytail and it's good. Maybe add some other more sensible garment on the lower body if you don't want just the short shorts. Also, the cleavage window with the symbol is kind of stupid. But, you will notice there is only one belt, which even has a pouch on it, and no zippers!
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Amppelix posted:I think it's got a good base but way too much poo poo (surprise surprise). Basically, remove the half-dress and the super weird ponytail and it's good. Maybe add some other more sensible garment on the lower body if you don't want just the short shorts. Also, the cleavage window with the symbol is kind of stupid. But, you will notice there is only one belt, which even has a pouch on it, and no zippers! Yeah but that's the thing though. Of course it has too much poo poo, they all do. I actually like the half-dress. But then again I'm generally a fan of Tetsuya Nomura's designs so it's obvious that over designed outfits don't bother me as much.
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Oct 19, 2014 17:37
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QuestionYourWorld posted:Seeing the posts here Everyone's opinions in this thread are complete garbage, please do not take them seriously. EDIT: Okay, that's a lie, ImpAtom is cool. Captain Baal fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Oct 19, 2014 |
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Oct 19, 2014 17:41
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also FF9 is one of the best games ever made and FF10 and FF10-2 are also pretty cool. FF4, 5, and 6 are all good too.
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Beef Waifu posted:Everyone's opinions in this thread are complete garbage, please do not take them seriously. hey
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Beef Waifu posted:Everyone's opinions in this thread are complete garbage, please do not take them seriously. Don't sell yourself short, man. 
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FFVII is a pretty good game. I'm doing a replay of it right now with a mod and it's a lot of fun. This is the first full run of the game I've done in....I dunno, almost a decade. I remembered some awesome tracks I had actually forgotten, like Judgment Day. The Northern Crater isn't much in terms of final dungeon but man I love that song. The mod also lets you keep the Field Music playing during random battles so it's really atmospheric ya know? You hear this all the time instead of having it broken up by the battle theme and stuff.
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Oct 19, 2014 17:59
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Beef Waifu posted:Everyone's opinions in this thread are complete garbage, please do not take them seriously. Every poster is the worst poster in the thread.
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Oct 19, 2014 18:11
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NikkolasKing posted:FFVII is a pretty good game. I'm doing a replay of it right now with a mod and it's a lot of fun. This is the first full run of the game I've done in....I dunno, almost a decade. I remembered some awesome tracks I had actually forgotten, like Judgment Day. The Northern Crater isn't much in terms of final dungeon but man I love that song. The mod also lets you keep the Field Music playing during random battles so it's really atmospheric ya know? You hear this all the time instead of having it broken up by the battle theme and stuff. Sounds like fighting the Weapons in the overworld would be really anticlimatic.
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Krad posted:Sounds like fighting the Weapons in the overworld would be really anticlimatic. You say that like they were particularly exciting fights in the first place, assuming you're talking about Diamond and Ultimate.
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Krad posted:Sounds like fighting the Weapons in the overworld would be really anticlimatic. I think he's talking about the New Threat mod (which is super super good, making the game difficult enough to make the battles interesting and let you have fun with the systems but not so nuts that it's super time consuming trial and error), and if so it only clips the music for random encounters. Boss fights keep their own tracks.
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Well the World Map battles still use the regular battle theme, it's just dungeons where you can have the dungeon theme continue playing through battles. Which is good because the Temple of the Ancients' Theme is one of the best dungeon themes in any FF game. I love it so much. And yeah I am talking about the NT Mod. It's awesome. I regularly talk with the guy who made it on Qhimm Forums and he helps me out pretty much everyday. I even got some weird glitch where Aerith's sidequest won't trigger so he's gonna make a patch for me. That alone is enought o motivate me to try and beat everything in this game as a way of saying thank you to him for his dedication and constantly putting up with me sucking at this game. Did you play NT recently? It seems to be quite different. I saw vids on YouTube that were not at all like what I'm playing for example. Sephiroth and Jenova WAR had no "backup" for instance. I can't even imagine trying that fight without the assistance.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-ImBdAUOcs This guy makes it look so easy that I really feel like poo poo. But man he has way more Limit and higher level everything than I did at that point. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Oct 19, 2014 |
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Her entire plot exists for like two scenes, so at least it's not annoying. Pretty much every Final Fantasy includes at least a few characters that have their own little arcs, and then fall into complete irrelevance. I think it's a testament to how well FF9 handles its characters and keeps most of them so involved that Freya and Amarant even stick out at all. The general pacing, the way cutscenes are handled, and the quick time events everywhere really do an excellent job of making everyone feel like a real character with their own life and interests, rather than [Party Member #6: Proceed to the party selection menu and await further orders]. So when Freya and Amarant get less attention, it feels really jarring. The way they were handled wouldn't seem out of place at all in any other game in the series.
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They are much better than say, Kimarhi or Penelo
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I wish they had done more with Penelo and Vaan. Vaan gets some stuff, I suppose, but Penelo's, what, 17 years old and (essentially) fighting in a war? What's that like? How does it make her feel? What motivates her to keep going in spite of what she's witnessing? It's a thoroughly missed opportunity.
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Help Im Alive posted:Tidus is ok but his outfit is probably one of the worst in the series. What were they even thinking I recall reading somewhere (I think it was in the Dark Id's FFX LP) that the original concept for Tidus was that he was gonna be some kind of maintenance worker in Zanarkand before being swept off into Spira. That's why he's got those weird-rear end coveralls. I guess Nomura designed him with that in mind, and later on when they changed the script so that he was an underwater soccer/rugby superstar, they just didn't bother giving him a uniform that matched the rest of his team's because 
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Vermain posted:I wish they had done more with Penelo and Vaan. Vaan gets some stuff, I suppose, but Penelo's, what, 17 years old and (essentially) fighting in a war? What's that like? How does it make her feel? What motivates her to keep going in spite of what she's witnessing? It's a thoroughly missed opportunity. Good. Look, I understand what you're saying, but the worst scene in any JRPG involves the youngest girl in the party. XII skipping that scene entirely is only a good thing.
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W.T. Fits posted:I recall reading somewhere (I think it was in the Dark Id's FFX LP) that the original concept for Tidus was that he was gonna be some kind of maintenance worker in Zanarkand before being swept off into Spira. That's why he's got those weird-rear end coveralls. I guess Nomura designed him with that in mind, and later on when they changed the script so that he was an underwater soccer/rugby superstar, they just didn't bother giving him a uniform that matched the rest of his team's because Aw, that would've been cool to have him a maintenance dude. Then he could lament about how much better his father was at unclogging toilets and he could never master the Jecht Buffing Blast.
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Vermain posted:I wish they had done more with Penelo and Vaan. Vaan gets some stuff, I suppose, but Penelo's, what, 17 years old and (essentially) fighting in a war? What's that like? How does it make her feel? What motivates her to keep going in spite of what she's witnessing? It's a thoroughly missed opportunity. You know what was a missed opportunity with Penello? Her being kind of friends with the current emperor's little brother. Now that was an interesting plot thread that went nowhere. W.T. Fits posted:I recall reading somewhere (I think it was in the Dark Id's FFX LP) that the original concept for Tidus was that he was gonna be some kind of maintenance worker in Zanarkand before being swept off into Spira. That's why he's got those weird-rear end coveralls. I guess Nomura designed him with that in mind, and later on when they changed the script so that he was an underwater soccer/rugby superstar, they just didn't bother giving him a uniform that matched the rest of his team's because I am ready to play FF XVI: The Janitor Adventures.
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NikkolasKing posted:Did you play NT recently? It seems to be quite different. I saw vids on YouTube that were not at all like what I'm playing for example. Sephiroth and Jenova WAR had no "backup" for instance. I can't even imagine trying that fight without the assistance.... I'm playing through it for the first time now, and I'm not that far yet - just finishing Midgar. I'm ridiculously impressed so far, though. Equipment not being straight upgrades and the much hardier/deadlier bosses really have me thinking about my loadout, but it's not so difficult that cautious setups and good awareness once a fight starts won't let you win the first time. The only complaint I have is that damage output is high enough that you really need to keep everyone in the back row and under Sadness, which considering how vital it is probably would have been better just being removed entirely so it wasn't necessary to balance around.
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W.T. Fits posted:I recall reading somewhere (I think it was in the Dark Id's FFX LP) that the original concept for Tidus was that he was gonna be some kind of maintenance worker in Zanarkand before being swept off into Spira. That's why he's got those weird-rear end coveralls. I guess Nomura designed him with that in mind, and later on when they changed the script so that he was an underwater soccer/rugby superstar, they just didn't bother giving him a uniform that matched the rest of his team's because Really? I recall that from the beginning the archetype for Tidus's character was being a sort of sports celebrity. I think there was an interview where Nomura basically said that all the information he was given about the character was basically "he's a famous athlete and he has a cheery disposition". I suppose there was a very, very, very early stage of FFX (akin to the New York gumshoe stage of FF7) where Tidus was supposed to be a maintenance worker. Maybe his outfit is a sort of homage to his earlier occupation by the guys working on the game?
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The original idea was going to be that Tidus was a maintance worker who fought underwater fiends and acts like a standoffish Japanese teenage punk. They changed this because they wanted to have a 'sunnier' character after Squall and Cloud. (FFIX was being worked on by a different team.) He also was going to have black hair and be the unsent of the gang, not Auron. The cheerful bright happy Tidus was always a sports star.
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ImpAtom posted:The original idea was going to be that Tidus was a maintance worker who fought underwater fiends and acts like a standoffish Japanese teenage punk. They changed this because they wanted to have a 'sunnier' character after Squall and Cloud. (FFIX was being worked on by a different team.) He also was going to have black hair and be the unsent of the gang, not Auron. Never knew that he was a maintananc worker. I knew about the black hair though, and the unsent thing though. Related:     And entirely unrelated, I've only now just noticed that Tidus' house has a washing machine in it.  Just a weird little mundane thing, in the middle of all this fantasy.
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W.T. Fits posted:I recall reading somewhere (I think it was in the Dark Id's FFX LP) that the original concept for Tidus was that he was gonna be some kind of maintenance worker in Zanarkand before being swept off into Spira. That's why he's got those weird-rear end coveralls. I guess Nomura designed him with that in mind, and later on when they changed the script so that he was an underwater soccer/rugby superstar, they just didn't bother giving him a uniform that matched the rest of his team's because He should have been a pizza boy.
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Oct 19, 2014 21:51
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I like the dude on the right's design.
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Endorph posted:I like the dude on the right's design. proto-type Auron i think
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Attitude Indicator posted:proto-type Auron i think
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Punk rear end maintenance worker Tidus sounds awesome and I wish the game was that instead.
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Can his partner be a Flanitor??
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ReWinter posted:I'm playing through it for the first time now, and I'm not that far yet - just finishing Midgar. I'm ridiculously impressed so far, though. Equipment not being straight upgrades and the much hardier/deadlier bosses really have me thinking about my loadout, but it's not so difficult that cautious setups and good awareness once a fight starts won't let you win the first time. Oh wow, you got a lot more to do then. For whenever you get to the end, once you reach the bottom of North Crater, Cloud gets a phone call that notifies him of new unlocked optional bosses and sidequests to unlock the Level 4 Limits. Also each of the special Materias in the Cave, like Mega-All and such, have bosses guarding them now. You can get several Triple AP Weapons in the Gelnika (the sunken ship). I'm not sure where they all are but I got Guard Stick and Rising Sun there and my part is Cloud/Aerith/Yuffie so that worked out. There are these monsters called Movers I think that give like 15,000 AP in the Northern Crater so have Triple AP on when you fight them and it won't be very long before you Master anything you have on those weapons. Finally, I found a lot of bosses to be "First Run Failures" where you go into them expecting to lose but it's how you learn what they are weak to and what doesn't work. You go in there, use Sense, and resign yourself to defeat and get ready to prepare your Materia setup better next time. Oh and in the Temple of the Ancients, you will get a Gil Plus Materia which I loved because gently caress this game was horrible for money for the entire first disk. I was constantly broke.
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Skeezy posted:Punk rear end maintenance worker Tidus sounds awesome and I wish the game was that instead. Based on what they said, it was less "Kanji from Persona 4" and more "giant standoffish rear end in a top hat" so it probably wouldn't have been that fun in context.
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ImpAtom posted:Based on what they said, it was less "Kanji from Persona 4" and more "giant standoffish rear end in a top hat" so it probably wouldn't have been that fun in context. but it worked so well for Squall
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ImpAtom posted:Based on what they said, it was less "Kanji from Persona 4" and more "giant standoffish rear end in a top hat" so it probably wouldn't have been that fun in context. FFX where Kanji gets sucked into Spira would be really really good
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Help Im Alive posted:Tidus is ok but his outfit is probably one of the worst in the series. What were they even thinking What's it like being objectively wrong to such an incredible extent?
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ImpAtom posted:Based on what they said, it was less "Kanji from Persona 4" and more "giant standoffish rear end in a top hat" so it probably wouldn't have been that fun in context. Yeah. Regardless of how poorly Tidus may have been received, the main guys working on FFX last worked on FFVIII so I could see why they went the direction they did. I would actually really love to hear about the development of Final Fantasy games. I mean like really in-depth. Stuff like FFVII starting out as a detective story in New York City is insane. That one might have had a more tumultuous development because it was the first 3D one but I'm sure others also have crazy stories like that. Mister Adequate posted:What's it like being objectively wrong to such an incredible extent? Tidus in the original PS2 version looked incredibly goofy but was sort of endearing. Not the CG version, though. And because of this the goofy clothes he wears don't really stick out as much to me. Mischitary fucked around with this message at 00:32 on Oct 20, 2014 |
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Leper Residue posted:Aw, that would've been cool to have him a maintenance dude. Then he could lament about how much better his father was at unclogging toilets and he could never master the Jecht Buffing Blast. Replace Jecht with Mario, but keep his personality the same. Tidus' dad Mario is an emotionally abusive neglectful rear end in a top hat, constantly telling his son he'll never be the plumber his old man is. Until one day Mario disappears down a pipe and ends up in the Mushroom Kingdom...
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Fister Roboto posted:He should have been a pizza boy. "Hello? Pizza delivery for, uh... Seymour Asses? Aw, crud. I always thought that at this point in my life I'd be one making the crank spherecalls." 
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I actually thought he was voiced by Billy West when I first played it.
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