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Because in 2014 we call window managers "Desktop Environments"
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Suspicious Dish posted:That was directed at stebe man, guy holding an envelope, and pram. Not at you, BSD. Ya ok One Linux Per Brazilian
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Oct 19, 2014 01:05
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Zombywuf posted:Because in 2014 we call window managers "Desktop Environments" a desktop environment is just a window manager with an unusual ipc mechanism nobody uses cde: tooltalk gnome: dbus kde: dcop e17: eet xfce: rocks thrown at your window
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Oct 19, 2014 01:05
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named pipes should be enough for anybody
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Oct 19, 2014 01:06
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pram posted:solaris 'doors' should be enough for anybody
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Oct 19, 2014 01:09
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Suspicious Dish posted:More and more are starting to use traditional desktop environments. would you say that soon it will be the year of linux on their desktops
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Oct 19, 2014 01:19
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:a desktop environment is just a window manager with an unusual ipc mechanism nobody uses enlightenment is so cool they used it for refridgerators
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Oct 19, 2014 08:10
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who needs a desktop environment? a simple wm is quite adequate for most linux purposes, it doesn't take a point and drool gnome to flip between xterms and emacs frames
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Oct 19, 2014 09:01
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:a desktop environment is just a window manager with an unusual ipc mechanism nobody uses i3: some json thing over a socket
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Oct 19, 2014 13:20
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:gnome 3.14 trip report -- it sucks. if this had been 3.00 beta release #1, this would be ok. but it's the eighth stable release after three years, and tons of poo poo doesn't work
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Oct 19, 2014 23:35
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ShadowHawk posted:Hey you should try Ubuntu Unity it was designed for tablets lmao
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Oct 19, 2014 23:43
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:gnome 3.14 trip report -- it sucks. if this had been 3.00 beta release #1, this would be ok. but it's the eighth stable release after three years, and tons of poo poo doesn't work actually its really good Notorious b.s.d. posted:backstory: i bought one of those windows 8 convertible laptop/tablet doohickeys. in "tablet" mode it has a windows key, a volume up, and a volume down, and that's it. same except work provided Notorious b.s.d. posted:upgrading to gnome 3.14 gets me the onscreen keyboard automatically in most of the right places most of the time. but only in gtk 3 applications. if you want to run an application that isn't gnome 3 native, you are screwed. notably firefox and chrome are not gtk3 lol why would you use non-gtk3 software Notorious b.s.d. posted:if the automatic launch isn't working, there is no way to manually launch the on-screen keyboard w/out having a keyboard already. you have to bind a keyboard shortcut to open it. i said, "ok, that's dumb, but ok" and attempted to bind it to the windows key. no dice. gnome 3 will not allow you to use a modifier key as a keybinding alone. system settings > universal access > set screen keyboard to on. or, set "always show universal access menu" to on and then its right there with the indicators but again it works fine for gtk3 apps and why would you ever use desktop linux with non-gtk3 apps Notorious b.s.d. posted:so i decided to give up on actual good web browsers and try the shitbucket that comes with gnome 3: epiphany. to my delight, epiphany does in fact support autoloading the on-screen keyboard like other gnome 3 native apps. unfortunately typing into the url bar immediately breaks because the autocomplete box pops up over top of the on-screen keyboard cool so did you submit a bug or are you just going to bitch about it here epiphany is surprisingly good and the "save as web application" feature is a really great way to app-ify twitter, facebook and other web garbage Notorious b.s.d. posted:it is rough around the edges even by open sores standards. basic features do not work, the things that do work do not work consistently (i often clicked in a text field and got no keyboard, only to repeat and get the keyboard back) its actually really great, the theme is heavily improved, and the already good performance is even better. i can even switch workspaces and activate the overview while running a fullscreen steam game year of the linux desktop has arrived
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Oct 19, 2014 23:48
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:it's obviously dogshit for idiots on my desktop with a 27" monitor and gobs of screenspace, none of the ui metaphors work when your mouse has to cross two feet to hit a 'hot corner' or whatever. have you heard of the super key when you want to launch something, your hands are already on the keyboard because you're about the type the app name into the search box, so press the super key when you want to app/workspace switch through the overview, your one hand is on the keyboard and your other is on the mouse, you can do either the hot corner bump or the super key but okay forget all that, i'm on a 24" monitor at 1080p and even from the complete opposite corner of the screen, getting to the overview with the mouse is as difficult as a slightly exaggerated flick of the wrist basically you're a "power user" and all of this  my workflow crybaby poo poo isn't impressing anyone
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Oct 19, 2014 23:58
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oval office AND PASTE posted:system settings > universal access > set screen keyboard to on. or, set "always show universal access menu" to on and then its right there with the indicators i tried this but it didn't help. it adds a completely useless toggle. when set to 'on' it doesn't actually force the onscreen keyboard to come up. when set to 'off,' it just suppresses the OSK when it would otherwise work i.e. in gtk 3 applications oval office AND PASTE posted:cool so did you submit a bug or are you just going to bitch about it here the last time i filed a bug on gnome 3 i got no response whatsoever. it got fixed by accident years later. i'm not gonna waste my time again. i'll just bitch here oval office AND PASTE posted:epiphany is surprisingly good and the "save as web application" feature is a really great way to app-ify twitter, facebook and other web garbage a.) it's not good, i literally used it for <10 seconds before hitting a showstopper bug b.) its goodness doesn't really matter. it's not firefox and it's not chrome, so nobody writes extensions for it, websites aren't designed for it, and IT won't support you. it could be god's gift to web browsers and it still wouldn't be useful
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Oct 20, 2014 00:00
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oval office AND PASTE posted:lol why would you use non-gtk3 software (well, I guess emacs can be built to, but the other options are all better.)
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Oct 20, 2014 00:00
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Soricidus posted:why would you ever not? literally no good or popular software uses gtk3. gtk3 is the default for emacs now. so it's the best-tested and most-featureful config it is literally the only gtk3 application i use, everything else is still on gtk2 or migrating off of gtk entirely.
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Oct 20, 2014 00:02
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If you're curious, the OSK not showing up on non-GTK3 apps is really hard to do technically, because there's really no API for knowing when a text entry became focused in X11. Outside of the crazy input modules stack, that is. We're getting that working, though it's killing our sanity. No, nobody ever tested GNOME3 on a tablet, you're absolutely right about that.
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Oct 20, 2014 00:05
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Suspicious Dish posted:If you're curious, the OSK not showing up on non-GTK3 apps is really hard to do technically, because there's really no API for knowing when a text entry became focused in X11. Outside of the crazy input modules stack, that is. We're getting that working, though it's killing our sanity. yeah i did not expect it to work automatically on text-field-focus in non-native applications, that would be pure loving magic. i just expected a way to turn it on and off manually, and gnome 3 does not currently provide that. oval office and paste is a good example of the attitude that produced gnome 3: who cares about your expectations, gently caress your workflow, gently caress your actual browser you need for work. our way is better it's an attitude that does not survive contact with real users. who are not gonna use your toy browser. who are gonna expect kde customizations from 1998. who will probably try to script your interface w/ shell.
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Oct 20, 2014 00:08
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lol linux yosposters pretending they know better than shell designers
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Oct 20, 2014 00:24
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oval office AND PASTE posted:lol linux yosposters pretending they know better than shell designers yeah the problem is that apparently i do know better that's bad
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Oct 20, 2014 00:30
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incidentally there is one great thing in gnome 3.14: the new default gtk3 theme is rly pretty
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Oct 20, 2014 00:31
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:yeah the problem is that apparently i do know better Fig. 1, Users are idiots.
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Oct 20, 2014 00:36
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:gently caress your workflow, gently caress your actual browser you need for work. our way is better actually it does work for the overwhelming majority of computer users. it may not work for autistic linux neckbeards, but you will never be happy.
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Oct 20, 2014 00:42
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:yeah i did not expect it to work automatically on text-field-focus in non-native applications, that would be pure loving magic. i just expected a way to turn it on and off manually, and gnome 3 does not currently provide that. Yeah, that sucks, I agree. I'll see if I can come up with a workaround to show/hide the keyboard manually.
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Oct 20, 2014 00:42
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oval office AND PASTE posted:epiphany is surprisingly good and the "save as web application" feature is a really great way to app-ify twitter, facebook and other web garbage lol unironic epiphany advocacy 
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Oct 20, 2014 00:43
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Yeah, I don't understand Epiphany either. It just tends to crash and do weird things for me. I use a combination of Firefox / Chrome for anything real.
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Oct 20, 2014 00:50
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power botton posted:actually it does work for the overwhelming majority of computer users. it may not work for autistic linux neckbeards, but you will never be happy. autistic linux neckbeards are a huge chunk of the audience for a linux desktop environment
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Oct 20, 2014 01:15
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:autistic linux neckbeards are a huge chunk of the audience for a linux desktop environment :theproblem:
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Oct 20, 2014 01:16
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Suspicious Dish posted:Yeah, I don't understand Epiphany either. It just tends to crash and do weird things for me. I use a combination of Firefox / Chrome for anything real. i understand the urge to ship a web browser. the browser is the most-used application and of course people working on a distinct design concept and user interface are gonna want to try to control that experience, too i understand the impulse. it's just doomed to failure. 
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Oct 20, 2014 01:16
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funy computar
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Oct 20, 2014 01:31
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funy lunix
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Oct 20, 2014 01:33
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Wild EEPROM posted:funy lunix theres nothing funny about linux use. its a cry for help.
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Oct 20, 2014 01:33
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BobHoward posted::theproblem:
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Oct 20, 2014 01:34
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I put the new gnomes on my Chromebook and it works pretty good. That's my review, hope you enjoyed it.
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Oct 20, 2014 02:22
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Sauer posted:I put the new gnomes on my Chromebook and it works pretty good. That's my review, hope you enjoyed it. i didnt
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Oct 20, 2014 02:38
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I was thinking of maybe possibly trying gnome 3 again but this thread has warned me off of it thanks yospos. Mate suiting the hell out of my needs. e: KDE 5 looking slick maybe in 10 years it'll be usable.
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Oct 20, 2014 03:07
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Suspicious Dish posted:If you're curious, the OSK not showing up on non-GTK3 apps is really hard to do technically, because there's really no API for knowing when a text entry became focused in X11. that's because that would be "policy" and X-Windows is all about "mechanism, not policy" which is why X-Windows has been poo poo longer than some of you kids have been alive, and will forever be poo poo, and cannot be cleansed from this earth soon enough
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Oct 20, 2014 03:32
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:autistic linux neckbeards are the only audience for a linux desktop environment
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Oct 20, 2014 03:38
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:i understand the urge to ship a web browser. haiku ships a web browser and it actually works of course 99% of that is because it's WebKit based but the other 1% is because haiku is actually willing to make reasonable decisions about interface instead of leave them up to each developer by "make decisions" I really mean "ask themselves 'what would Be have done in early 1996?' and then do that" but that's still a better decision process than any X-Windows based user environment has ever used. which is why haiku managed to build a system from scratch that's 100x as usable in a fraction the time with a fraction the resources (seriously, give the latest nightly a try in a VM, it's like a 256MB bootable image)
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Sauer posted:I put the new gnomes on my Chromebook and it works pretty good. That's my review, hope you enjoyed it. you must have very low standards
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