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I still remember the build up for the steiners/outsiders match for hog wild '97 and it was completely ridiculous. The outsiders run them off the road and so the steiners, to get revenge, say theyre going to take their belts. The outsiders retained in the end.
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ColeM posted:I still remember the build up for the steiners/outsiders match for hog wild '97 and it was completely ridiculous. The outsiders run them off the road and so the steiners, to get revenge, say theyre going to take their belts. The outsiders retained in the end. The back issue of the Observer just came out about this and it was something else. Death of WCW, indeed. Essentially, Nash and Hall wanted to retain the titles so they told Bischoff there were too many title changes as of late. Bischoff then scheduled Road Wild to not have any title changes. Hogan then had his say in which he wanted the world title back. So, yes, there ended up being a title change at the PPV. Luger had just become world champion for the first time on the previous Nitro in a hot angle, and Hogan ended the PPV with the title again. WCW had major plans with all the new champions (except maybe Luger) with new programs. WCW had even sent out advertising for these new programs. Those plans all had to be scrapped because Hall and Nash didn't want to lose theirs. Just another stick in the spoke that ultimately caused WCW's downfall. Not to mention, the PPV was horrible. Daniel Bryan fucked around with this message at 01:29 on Oct 19, 2014 |
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Daniel Bryan posted:
Like what plans?
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Abrasive Obelisk posted:Like what plans? Alex Wright was scheduled to lose the Cruiserweight Title to Chris Jericho. Wright was going to move to a TV title program with Ultimo Dragon, and Jericho was scheduled to then be in a cruiserweight title program with Eddie Guerrero. The Steiners were scheduled to work a program as champions with Dean Malenko and Chris Benoit. They sent advertising out for that stuff, and could not deliver it.
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The tv all was set up to do all that stuff too. Also, it was noted that to be fair Hogan should have the title to drop it to Sting. 
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Oct 19, 2014 02:16
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That hogan is an honest business man. He would never abuse his creative control clause and refuse a clean job to anyone. Not even sting. The match they had at starrcade was incredible.
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gently caress me. I typed my previous post before finishing Hog Wild 96 and man...was that a poo poo show. That Benoit/Malenko match is a great technical wrestling match, but in front of the worst crowd. It goes to the time limit and then 2 sudden death (As it turns out sudden death is just someone being pinned) additions. Both men try their best, but the crowd are mostly silent, until they boo it at the end. Heenan is totally wasted. It's not clear at the start of the show, but the moment the Flair/Eddie match starts he's slurring so much it's like he's had a stroke. This is a sample of his commentary. "Eddie..... (Pauses for literally ten to fifteen seconds)....isn't good enough to beat Flair. Flair is too good." Now imagine a man slurring that out instead. At one point he refers to Giant as Andre. Dusty and Tony have to take over commentary because there ends up being a lot of dead air from Heenan. I know Heenan didn't give a poo poo about WCW, but it's sad to see him go down this road.
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DrVenkman posted:gently caress me. I typed my previous post before finishing Hog Wild 96 and man...was that a poo poo show. That Benoit/Malenko match is a great technical wrestling match, but in front of the worst crowd. It goes to the time limit and then 2 sudden death (As it turns out sudden death is just someone being pinned) additions. Both men try their best, but the crowd are mostly silent, until they boo it at the end. Heenan was slurring his words about 2 years before he was diagnosed with the throat cancer that eventually changed his voice forever. I know he slurred a lot on his Highspots shoot interview back in (I think) 2002. It's possible it's all connected to that.
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fart blood posted:Heenan was slurring his words about 2 years before he was diagnosed with the throat cancer that eventually changed his voice forever. I know he slurred a lot on his Highspots shoot interview back in (I think) 2002. It's possible it's all connected to that. Granted, but the dude sounds legit out of his tree here. He's fine later on Nitro. He also tells Dusty he loves him and doesn't say anything for a while.
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Things are moving quickly in '96. The Giant has been unveiled as a member of the NWO, Jericho and Super Calo have shown up and the booking still doesn't make sense. Konnan has inexplicably turned into a hispanic gangster and he sounds like he's putting his accent on. Glacier, the man they hyped the gently caress out of for MONTHS, made his first appearance...on WCW Pro (I had to look it up). According to the promo package they showed it doesn't look like he wrestled, just did some flips. Scratch that, I checked with Wikipedia, turns out he wrestled THE GAMBLER, who thus far hasn't appeared on Nitro. I wonder when it was exactly that they knew they had a dud.
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You know how Backlash 2000 is considered to be the PPV that WM should have been? Tonight at 8 we're showing SOULED OUT 98 which in some ways is the PPV that Starrcade 97 was and should have been. Why? Well several of the matches we got bait and switched on will be on this card! Kevin Nash vs The Giant and Raven vs Chris Benoit will finally happen! On top of that we'll see Larry Legend vs Scott Hall, the match they built up for six months only to give us Bischoff vs Larry instead! Also on the card: Chris Jericho vs Rey Jr for the cruiserweight title Booker T vs Rick Martel for the TV title Bret Hart vs Ric Flair Lex Luger vs Randy Savage a crazy lucha match AND SO MUCH MORE INCLUDING THE FATE OF THE WORLD TITLE!!!! Tune in tonight at 7:30 for Cowboy Who? and 8 for SOULED OUT!!!! (it's actually a really good show.) http://www.psp-tv.com/r/BadMoviesWorseWrestling
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Is this the one that drew pretty well and they had to deny that it was because it was Flair/ Hart?
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MassRafTer posted:You know how Backlash 2000 is considered to be the PPV that WM should have been? why did dusty turn heel why
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ayn rand hand job posted:why did dusty turn heel why Their pay windah was just too sweet?
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'96 Update: The Glacier train is dead on arrival. It's his Nitro debut and they've run a promo package....Here's a man who shouldn't have been allowed to speak. When I see Glacier, I don't think of a Southern Gentleman. Sean Waltman has just appeared and one of the things I forgot about the NWO are the 'fans' that they're garnering. Clearly they're plants, but they're handing out flyers and selling merchandise. At this early stage it's actually coming across like a good angle. I mean, ignoring all the Hogan bullshit of course.
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DrVenkman posted:'96 Update:
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I forget. Did Glacier mostly only fight jobbers and Mortis/Wrath at first? I remember watching him, and his feuds were with the Mortal Kombat-ripoff guys, for the most part, so he felt like a sideshow. And was this around the same time as the Mortal Kombat show that came on after Nitro, or just after the movie was out?
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DrVenkman posted:'96 Update: Glacier was supposed to be Rob Van Dam. He turned them down to stay at ECW.
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I mainly just remember those Glacier promos airing forever and ever and ever and ever and ever before he actually debuted. It was completely ridiculous.
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Whole lot of unacceptable Glacier hate happening right now  I loved his feud with Wrath and Mortis. That and the cruiser weights kept me coming back to Nitro.
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Luigi Thirty posted:Glacier was supposed to be Rob Van Dam. He turned them down to stay at ECW. hahaha really? that makes a lot of sense actually
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BlueArmyMan posted:I loved his feud with Wrath and Mortis. That and the cruiser weights kept me coming back to Nitro. Oh, it was neat, but the guy who helped Glacier even the odds was ... Ernest Miller? I do want to say that Perry Saturn ended up being really angry about the cryo kick, and there was a feud over that. Or something.
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Red posted:Oh, it was neat, but the guy who helped Glacier even the odds was ... Ernest Miller? That confused me too, but when I was 15, I didn't care too much. Miller was a martial artist, Glacier was Sub-Zero, it worked.
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Glacier had a heel turn that no one remembers and a heel run on Saturday night. Once he reappeared on Nitro he was back to being a babyface.
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BlueArmyMan posted:I loved his feud with Wrath and Mortis. Me too, I loved Wrath especially. It helped that him and Mortis and Glacier seemed to exist in their own separate universe apart from the rest of WCW... because when they eventually crossed over Wrath was instantly squashed by Nash for no good reason, and that was that. Grendels Dad fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Oct 22, 2014 |
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BlueArmyMan posted:Whole lot of unacceptable Glacier hate happening right now Agree. It was a fun midcard feud that was easy to follow. JUST LET HIS HAVE HIS STUPID HAT MORTIS, JEEZ. I think a lot of it was overshadowed by all the other angles going on but it still had all the hallmarks of Kevin Sullivan's solid booking approach. And Earnest Miller would go on to be amazing and awesome.
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Red posted:Oh, it was neat, but the guy who helped Glacier even the odds was ... Ernest Miller? Excuse me but that's world karate champion Ernest Miller to you pal
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Red posted:I forget. Did Glacier mostly only fight jobbers and Mortis/Wrath at first? I remember watching him, and his feuds were with the Mortal Kombat-ripoff guys, for the most part, so he felt like a sideshow. He keeps feuding with Mortis and then Wrath for loving ever.
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coconono posted:Agree. It was a fun midcard feud that was easy to follow. JUST LET HIS HAVE HIS STUPID HAT MORTIS, JEEZ. I think a lot of it was overshadowed by all the other angles going on but it still had all the hallmarks of Kevin Sullivan's solid booking approach. I wasn't up on wrestling history at that point, so all I saw was dudes who looked like they were out of Mortal Kombat, and I adored it. Glacier also ruled in WCW/NWO Revenge.
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Glacier really was a cool concept.
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coconono posted:Agree. It was a fun midcard feud that was easy to follow. JUST LET HIS HAVE HIS STUPID HAT MORTIS, JEEZ. I think a lot of it was overshadowed by all the other angles going on but it still had all the hallmarks of Kevin Sullivan's solid booking approach. The best part about Mortis was trying to get into The Flock. He should've kept the mask, but ditched it to become Kanyon for some reason.
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oatgan posted:Excuse me but that's world karate champion Ernest Miller to you pal World Karate Champion AND karate trainer of UFC Hall of Famer Mark "The Hammer" Coleman. Also he had this theme song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jObCu4j4ax0
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I will fight anyone who impugns the good name of Coach Buzz Stern.
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1st AD posted:karate trainer of UFC Hall of Famer Mark "The Hammer" Coleman. loving Hammer House
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Grendels Dad posted:Me too, I loved Wrath especially. It helped that him and Mortis and Glacier seemed to exist in their own separate universe apart from the rest of WCW... because when they eventually crossed over Wrath was instantly squashed by Nash for no good reason, and that was that. I have fond memories of Wrath having a super-rad winning streak gimmick for a while. And then I think he faced Nash in the runup to Nash/Goldberg and got absolutely destroyed. Damnit, Nash...
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rotinaj posted:I have fond memories of Wrath having a super-rad winning streak gimmick for a while. It didn't really matter. Wrath looked like a geek for the first, what, six months after debuting. To Kevin "Big Depeche Mode Fan" (The Best Ever) Nash's credit, I believe he sold some of Wrath's offense in a tag match in late '97.
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Skinty McEdger posted:Glacier had a heel turn that no one remembers and a heel run on Saturday night. Once he reappeared on Nitro he was back to being a babyface. I remember it. "That's how it feels when your buddy ain't there to help ya!" Redneck Sub Zero
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Red posted:I forget. Did Glacier mostly only fight jobbers and Mortis/Wrath at first? I remember watching him, and his feuds were with the Mortal Kombat-ripoff guys, for the most part, so he felt like a sideshow. His first match was on WCW PRO against THE GAMBLER. His first Nitro match was against Big Bubba and is hilarious. He's doing all of his martial arts poo poo and Bubba just has to fall over a couple of times. For ages the promos were saying that he was going to appear in July. Then July came and they stopped saying a date. It wasn't worth the wait.
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As a kid I thought Mortis was cool because in the WCW comic he unmasked to reveal - Rick Rude! Boy was reality disappointing (not criticising Kanyon, he grew into a great character in his own right) Edit - gently caress rereading Gavoks article on it now he was 'The Ghoul' in the comic....another childhood awesome misunderstanding killed :-( wizardstick fucked around with this message at 00:11 on Oct 23, 2014 |
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ChampRamp posted:It didn't really matter. Wrath looked like a geek for the first, what, six months after debuting. To Kevin "Big Depeche Mode Fan" (The Best Ever) Nash's credit, I believe he sold some of Wrath's offense in a tag match in late '97. Did to me. I didn't see Wrath's first six months after debuting. I started watching WCW the night after Fall Brawl '98.
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