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Cyrano4747 posted:edit: VVVVVV yeah, I'll bet. I'm just saying, even with my old dinosaur it gets around well enough that I value the extra size enough to put up with the bulk. I'm getting a replacement at the next refresh cycle at the latest and really look forward to the lighter design.
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binarysmurf posted:I'm waiting for next years's Retina iMac as my next upgrade. I would love to see Apple make the machine thicker and put a desktop class video card in there. Holding my breath, I am not.
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Got another 2013 11" Air coming, so I get to decide between that and my 13" Air again. Hopefully I end up with a 13" rMBP when it's all said and done.
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Bob Morales posted:Got another 2013 11" Air coming, so I get to decide between that and my 13" Air again. Hopefully I end up with a 13" rMBP when it's all said and done. Just get a retina iMac and get it over with
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wdarkk posted:I'm guessing they were going to change the form factor, then for whatever reason didn't, but they'd already ordered a ton of the solder-on RAM. Probably not, sockets are actually really expensive, and removing them probably saved Apple 5$+ on build of material costs.
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13" rMBP: obtained. Ejaculation: commencing. Seriously though, after 3+ years of using a 15" Dell Latitude, this thing could be one of the most beautiful things ever to rest on my lap after my wife, and the remote control. It's going to take me a little bit of time getting re-used to OSX after such a long absence but I can already feel myself getting back into the groove. To the people who answered my questions: thanks for all your help! Definitely happy with this decision.
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japtor posted:What constitutes "desktop class" exactly? From specs and some tests the M295X is looking like a midrange desktop GPU, or high end if you compare to the Mac Pro's D700 (...granted that says more about the Mac Pro already being old there).
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This is a question that sort of lies in a grey area between Mac software and Mac hardware. It has to do with Internet Recovery (which I think works mainly on 2011 ("Lion") and newer Macs). My understanding with internet recovery is that it (either when it is called via COMMAND-OPTION-R or if your computer goes into recovery via COMMAND-R and it doesn't have a recovery partition (it's erased/trashed, or it's a brand new hard drive). When it does this, it phones home to Apple and downloads (and I'd assume overwrites if it's there already) the recovery partition. If someone had a Mac that started it's life out with, say, Lion, but currently has Yosemite, and an internet recovery is performed, will it re-load the older Lion OS data for recovery, or would it download the newer Yosemite OS? Any advice/info would be greatly appreciated. nexxai posted:13" rMBP: obtained. Hear hear. I had one of my first experiences using Windows 8.1 today. Now I've used Windows 7 religiously, and there are interface things in Mac that I don't like but are tolerable, but this was a complete mess! I wonder how much market share that Apple got simply because people balked at Windows 8/8.1. Three-Phase fucked around with this message at 01:49 on Oct 25, 2014 |
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Three-Phase posted:This is a question that sort of lies in a grey area between Mac software and Mac hardware. It has to do with Internet Recovery (which I think works mainly on 2011 ("Lion") and newer Macs). Internet recovery recovers what the system shipped with, because it's built into the firmware. Recovery partition recovers the currently installed OS, because recovery partition is created during OS install/upgrade.
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Kingnothing posted:Internet recovery recovers what the system shipped with, because it's built into the firmware. Ok, that makes sense (people would be pissed if they couldn't downgrade I guess) so what I'd have to do (for my system at least) is: 1. Download the OS X (Snow Leopard) restore 2. Download (via app store) OS X Yosemite 3. Put stuff back (from time machine or other backup)
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Three-Phase posted:I had one of my first experiences using Windows 8.1 today. Now I've used Windows 7 religiously, and there are interface things in Mac that I don't like but are tolerable, but this was a complete mess! I wonder how much market share that Apple got simply because people balked at Windows 8/8.1. Yes, Windows 8.1 is a bit of a mess. Great ideas but executed poorly. Windows 10, on the other hand, looks *amazing*. They've taken the great pieces of 7 and 8.1 and meshed them into one of the most coherent Windows I've ever seen. Completely impressed. 10 is available as a Tech Preview. Parallels has it listed in the new VM wizard. Check it out!
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jink posted:10 is available as a Tech Preview. Parallels has it listed in the new VM wizard. Check it out!
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So has anyone lol'd at this yet? Basically, ExtremeTech is claiming the new iMac only runs 5k at 30hz, because: quote:We’ve had an opportunity to see some demonstrations of gaming on the 27-inch iMac with 5K Retina display and can confirm that it’s a 30Hz panel when operating in 5K mode. I seriously doubt this. First off, judging by a game where even an older title would struggle to run anywhere above 30fps at a native 5k is idiotic, but I can't see Apple actually shipping an iMac where the desktop runs at 30hz, it would be immediately obvious and be a non-starter for the majority of users (plus people have already given hands-on reports of how smoothly it runs Yosemite, at least for Radeon 295 model). Plus no way to proof a 60fps video you're editing? Really, 2 seconds of thought required here. Awful tech site is awful.
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Star War Sex Parrot posted:Well, if you insist. What better way to spend a Friday night?
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Happy_Misanthrope posted:So has anyone lol'd at this yet?  Full size image is here (linked for huge since it's 23MB). SwitchResX quite clearly shows that the monitor is running at 5120x2880 with a refresh of 59.993Hz. Incidentally, the picture doesn't do justice to how absurdly tiny the interface elements are on screen at that resolution.
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Happy_Misanthrope posted:Awful tech site is awful. Yeah, I think it was maybe Engadget that got their review up on the base model, showing competent performance with various games at various resolutions. Obviously playing a game at full 5k is going to be functionally impossible but scaled or windowed at 1080p or even 1440 should be fine. I think one review said that playing 7 movies at 1080p simultaneously didn't seem to prompt any noticeable performance loss. And preliminary reviews that've tried editing native 4k have said positive things too.
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Happy_Misanthrope posted:So has anyone lol'd at this yet? Haha. I'm posting from one and I can't believe that tbh.
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theadder posted:Haha. how is it?
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Wow, I cehcked out the retina imac in store today and mission control is basically a joke. The choppyness is obscene. There was either something really wrong with the imac or it's a product nowhere near ready for market. The actual lcd panel is a sight to behold. It shits all over the NEC 4k display that was set up next to it. KingEup fucked around with this message at 09:10 on Oct 25, 2014 |
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Wild EEPROM posted:how is it? I didn't know it would allow me run at 3200*1800 through the regular System Preferences app. It's actually pretty usable. Text is a little on the small side in that resolution, but still good. Haven't set up any apps yet, but it's looking really good  .
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Wild EEPROM posted:how is it? Immaculate. It is the ultimate computer.
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To the people who said it's no good for games: GlQuake runs real nicely at 5k, but it makes the fans come on. I'll try some more games when I get a chance.
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flavor posted:To the people who said it's no good for games: GlQuake runs real nicely at 5k, but it makes the fans come on. I'll try some more games when I get a chance. Jesus. How does it look?
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Three-Phase posted:Ok, that makes sense (people would be pissed if they couldn't downgrade I guess) so what I'd have to do (for my system at least) is: From what I recall all snow leopard machines came with install disks/install usb drives and not internet recovery.
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Bonobos posted:Jesus. How does it look? I'm gonna guess "like it's 1996 again". It's an old game, it doesn't have 5k textures and the art direction can best be described as "muddy colors, with occasional lava". But the edges of those giant polygons are sure gonna be sharp. (GLQuake isn't very good for predicting how something modern will run)
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Reminds me when I installed my Diamond Monster 3dfx Voodoo card and ran GLQuake for the first time. I didn't know it was possible to achieve 1996 again.
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Jedi Academy MIGHT run at 5k.
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If I get, say, a 256gb external SDD and install OS X (and windows) on it, and boot from it but run programs from the internal HDD, will still "feel" like an HDD system or will it feel like I have an internal SSD installed? Still trying to fix my idiotic mistake of buying a 2013 imac with an HDD drive. I have a 256gb SSD drive I'm not doing anything with, so I'm trying to make it work with a thunderbolt enclosure or something. I can't take the slow bullshit of the HDD anymore, Any help is much appreciated. Want to run out to frys sometime today.
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beergod posted:If I get, say, a 256gb external SDD and install OS X (and windows) on it, and boot from it but run programs from the internal HDD, will still "feel" like an HDD system or will it feel like I have an internal SSD installed? With a thunderbolt enclosure, the drive will perform more or less exactly the same as it would internally. You'd probably do well to install your apps on the SSD instead of the HDD, and just use the HDD for media storage or whatever. I don't know how well a TB drive will work for booting Windows. You probably want to do some searching and find out if other people have experiences to share.
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BobHoward posted:I'm gonna guess "like it's 1996 again". It's an old game, it doesn't have 5k textures and the art direction can best be described as "muddy colors, with occasional lava". But the edges of those giant polygons are sure gonna be sharp. Very astute observation  . Without it, I'd have called it a day after looking at Quake and used it to predict the performance of more modern games, but instead I went back and took a look at a few more games as time permitted.Some games run at the full resolution, and pretty well at that (Half-Life 1 and 2). Other games can't be set to the full resolution (PrBoom (a Doom port), Team Fortress 2), but also run well at the resolution they can be set to from their respective GUIs (TF2 does 3200*1800). Mercurius posted:he plays Diablo 3 a lot so we tested that today and it runs very poorly at 5K on medium settings (like, sub 20FPS with nothing happening on screen). I played it for a few minutes or so, and it was definitely playable in town. I'll try some battles in a bit, didn't get the time before. Bonobos posted:Jesus. How does it look? Good. The higher the resolution, the tinier the menu. So far I'd say that while this isn't a gaming PC, it's certainly decent and I haven't even tried Windows yet.
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Kingnothing posted:From what I recall all snow leopard machines came with install disks/install usb drives and not internet recovery. My 2012 Mac Mini has it... or maybe that was because it flashed firmware when I went to Mavericks? 
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Three-Phase posted:My 2012 Mac Mini has it... or maybe that was because it flashed firmware when I went to Mavericks? http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4904 Later machines already came with it (after early 2011 I'd think).
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OS X has no copy protection, so you should just get whatever version you need by whatever means are available. Some AASPs will even just install the version you need onto your Mac if you ask nicely.
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I'm thinking of getting a 13-inch Pro (software development will be the most demanding use) and I have a few questions: 1) Anyone use it to drive two 1080p monitors? How's the performance? 2) Is 16GB essential? I know you can't upgrade, but I'd prefer to buy the laptop in a store and take it home rather than have it shipped to my apartment, and all the models have 8GB. It costs about the same whether I do 16/256 or 8/512 and I'm leaning toward the latter for those minor reasons. Seems like a great computer no matter the configuration, though.
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Mercurius posted:I don't really play games on the Mac and I haven't got hearthstone to test with but one of my colleagues is looking at buying a retina iMac and he plays Diablo 3 a lot so we tested that today and it runs very poorly at 5K on medium settings (like, sub 20FPS with nothing happening on screen). That said, you should seriously consider running your games at 2560x1440 because it'll look identical to an existing 27" screen and the M295X is marginally faster than the previous GPUs the iMacs had so you'll see a mild performance improvement over previous models. I had a completely different experience. D3 is actually very playable at 5k. I didn't have everything maxed out (will try that later today), but I used medium to high settings with reflections and subjectively I'd say it was at least around 30 FPS and better than my late 2013 15" rMBP at 2560x1440 (with the Nvidia 750M). Maybe I'm overestimating the FPS, but in any event I didn't notice any immersion-breaking choppiness. This is on the M295X. Did you by any chance have anything major running in the background?
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carry on then posted:I'm thinking of getting a 13-inch Pro (software development will be the most demanding use) and I have a few questions: 1) I've used mine to drive the internal monitor AND a 1080p monitor and the performance is... well... let's just say that if you don't do a lot of window animation or whatever then you should be OK but if you're going to be sliding spaces around then ehh. It'll work but it won't break any records for amazing-ness. 2) Depending entirely on the software development you plan to do. 16 isn't essential but IMHO Xcode likes to eat memory (as do a lot of things on OSX). I use mine to run VMware Fusion + Visual Studio 2013 so for me 16 was crucial. If you plan to keep it around for a while I would honestly recommend the 16. The SSD is upgradeable after the fact, the RAM isn't. The upside is that swapping to SSD won't be an absolute disaster, but it still won't be as nice as not swapping in the first place.
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Martytoof posted:1) I've used mine to drive the internal monitor AND a 1080p monitor and the performance is... well... let's just say that if you don't do a lot of window animation or whatever then you should be OK but if you're going to be sliding spaces around then ehh. It'll work but it won't break any records for amazing-ness. That's too bad. I was hoping the Iris graphics would be sufficient. Although, I'd probably think it was great performance after seeing my poor 320M trying to do almost the same thing. quote:2) Depending entirely on the software development you plan to do. 16 isn't essential but IMHO Xcode likes to eat memory (as do a lot of things on OSX). I use mine to run VMware Fusion + Visual Studio 2013 so for me 16 was crucial. If you plan to keep it around for a while I would honestly recommend the 16. The SSD is upgradeable after the fact, the RAM isn't. The upside is that swapping to SSD won't be an absolute disaster, but it still won't be as nice as not swapping in the first place. Yeah, it'll be Xcode and related tools and even then not that big since this is going to be a hobby for me, although I probably won't be needing the simulator. For more power/non-Mac software I have a desktop, mostly I'm just tired of keeping this Hackintosh install going for learning iOS dev, as easy as it was to set up. Thanks for the info.
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I did Xcode and java stuff in Eclipse a lot last semester on 8gigs with a late 2013 13' rmbp and was ok.
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carry on then posted:I'd prefer to buy the laptop in a store and take it home rather than have it shipped to my apartment... I would recommend having the maximum amount of ram. Especially if you can't upgrade it yourself.
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I'm pretty sure this was discussed recently but i couldn't find itin the last couple of pages. Anyway, does anyone know if the newest mini is simple to turn into a fusion drive? Does the warranty get voided when opened? I know that the ram is a bitch to upgrade.
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