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BLARGHLE posted:People are clearly still watching this show, but nobody seems to be seeding the torrents in the op. What gives?! The thread is 10 years old, some links are bound to be broken.
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It seems prosaic to say at this point, but literally the first result for "legend of galactic heroes torrent" is the full series on bakabt. Cmon. Not to mention all the links in the updated up still have seeds on them? DamnGlitch fucked around with this message at 07:12 on Oct 25, 2014 |
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Watched up through episode 34 so far. God drat I loving love Yang Wenli so much. So much. Best anime character loving ever. I'm pretty sure Julian is gonna die at some point and I'm not looking forward to how much that is going to absolutely crush Yang.  I hope I'm wrong.Please, never die Yang. Please. Can you and Reinhardt just become best buds and rule the Universe as immortals together forever? gently caress this series is so well written and thought out. It's so good it hurts. Damo fucked around with this message at 11:47 on Oct 27, 2014 |
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Oct 27, 2014 11:45
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Damo posted:Watched up through episode 34 so far. God drat I loving love Yang Wenli so much. So much. Best anime character loving ever. I'm pretty sure Julian is gonna die at some point and I'm not looking forward to how much that is going to absolutely crush Yang. It's pretty much impossible to watch the show and not fall head over heels for Yang. He rules! Unrelated word of caution for someone just starting with the show: stop watching the next episode previews from here on out as they tend to spoil some big twists and happenings.
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Oct 27, 2014 11:51
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Damo posted:Watched up through episode 34 so far. God drat I loving love Yang Wenli so much. So much. Best anime character loving ever. I'm pretty sure Julian is gonna die at some point and I'm not looking forward to how much that is going to absolutely crush Yang. Doflamingo posted:It's pretty much impossible to watch the show and not fall head over heels for Yang. He rules! Unrelated word of caution for someone just starting with the show: stop watching the next episode previews from here on out as they tend to spoil some big twists and happenings. Yang is the best. It's sort of a shame that I never really liked Reinhardt or most of the other Empire characters in comparison since it's clear you're meant to sympathise with both sides. I love Reuental and Oberstein, though. Definitely follow Doflamingo's advice and avoid episode previews.
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Yeah, I've never watched a single preview. I never saw the point in the first place since, you know, I have all the episodes and can just watch the next one. Reinhardt I'm not like in love with like Yang, but I appreciate him for being one of the few non dickhead moron Empire guys. He seems to have his heart in the right place. Although I don't really know what he is fighting for. He has an ambition in him I don't quite understand, while Yang is just swept up in the times and just wishes he could be a lazy history professor but is saddled with the knowledge that he is the only thing keeping his nation from falling apart, which is so much more endearing and understandable. Reinhardt especially is very confusing in his motives and ambitions in the wake of Kircheis' death. I have no idea what his purpose is right now. "Sieze the universe." But why do you want that responsibility. Why not be content with having control of your own nation and building that into what you wish it could be, and making it into something that could never do what it did to yourself and your family/friends.
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I feel like a broken record (because like half of my posting here is like  Great Man Reinhardt )but basically Reinhardt isn't really a normal dude, he's a romanticized take on historical figures like Napoleon or Alexander the Great. He's pretty much the embodiment of the Great Man theory of history in an anime character. He has his human moments and periods that seem to bring him down to earth, but he's basically a larger than life character that even in-universe people admire, but can't really relate to or understand. Yang is a great character and all, and the most important dude for the FPA, but in the loose framing of the series being a historical account, Reinhardt is actually the guy who defines the era and I think he's meant to have you sort of scratching your head in wonder at the improbability of a person like him even existing and doing what he did.I guess what I'm trying to say is that Reinhardt is not a normal guy and his life's ambition to conquer the universe is both absolutely ridiculous to any reasonable person and legitimately what drives him.
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Reinhardt says it's for his sister or Siegfried or whatever but in the end it's all a result of his own ego, in my opinion. I would compare him to Walter White in that respect where he states one reason for his actions that's perfectly valid and even relatable, only to have it fall apart under deeper inspection.
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Pornographic Memory posted:I feel like a broken record (because like half of my posting here is like I definitely agree with this. Reinhardt is definitely special. He isn't the only strongest or talented character but the entire universe opens up for his ambition just as it did for people like Rudolf, Reuenthal (and probably Felix) whereas people like Yang and Kircheis are just the right people in the right place and at the right time. In another age and another place, Yang would have been a historian, Kircheis a school teacher but Reinhardt was always destined to be a conqueror. After Reinhardt takes control of the empire, there really is no reason for him to keep going since he has accomplished all his inital goals. We see the others in his staff constantly ask how things would be different if Kircheis was still alive but I don't think anything would have changed. Both Reinhardt and Kircheis were talented enough to have find other means to free Reinhardt's sister and had numerous opportunities to do so even when Kircheis was alive but Reinhardt wanted more power and Kircheis wanted to help his friend. At the end of the day, I think people like Reinhardt push for more because that's all they know. They will never be satisfied with what they have and the status quo and it is these people that shape and define the course of history.
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Damo posted:Watched up through episode 34 so far. God drat I loving love Yang Wenli so much. So much. Best anime character loving ever. I'm pretty sure Julian is gonna die at some point and I'm not looking forward to how much that is going to absolutely crush Yang. I hope I'm wrong. Anybody who hasn't finished the series yet should avoid mousing over the following. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. That's all I have to say, really, but it'd look a bit suspicious if the spoiler was that short, wasn't it? So for the sake of filling up space, does anybody know of any games that are somewhat close to the way space warfare is depicted in the series? I know there's an official game out for it, but I don't know anything more than that.
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I thought Reinhard kept going in part because he was trying to fill the void that opened up when Kircheis was killed protecting him.
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I think Reinhard makes most sense as a man who never outgrew his childish idealism. He happened to be brilliant enough and in a good enough societal position to stick with it and make it work. That's why he has so much trouble relating to people - he's always thinking in an incredibly broad and lofty way, and can't really interest himself in narrower, normal stuff. It's also why he keeps going after saving his sister - there are still problems in the galaxy, and as far as he's concerned it's his job to fix them.
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Pornographic Memory posted:I guess what I'm trying to say is that Reinhardt is not a normal guy and his life's ambition to conquer the universe is both absolutely ridiculous to any reasonable person and legitimately what drives him. The fact that both his ambitions (to unite the entire universe under autocratic rule) and his personality (genuinely good person who deeply cares about people and is competent enough at administration to ensure it works properly) are larger-than-life is a key point of the whole work, since it's primarily an exploration of what makes a good government. The dilemma it proposes is whether a well-run autocracy is preferable to a poorly-run democracy; it's Plato versus Rousseau. Yang and Julian make this point multiple times in the series: a guy like Reinhardt is a once-in-a-millenia appearance, and basing the entire structure of your government on the assumption of an eternally present and just philosopher-king is bound to cause a catastrophe later on.
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Vermain posted:The fact that both his ambitions (to unite the entire universe under autocratic rule) and his personality (genuinely good person who deeply cares about people and is competent enough at administration to ensure it works properly) are larger-than-life is a key point of the whole work, since it's primarily an exploration of what makes a good government. The dilemma it proposes is whether a well-run autocracy is preferable to a poorly-run democracy; it's Plato versus Rousseau. Yang and Julian make this point multiple times in the series: a guy like Reinhardt is a once-in-a-millenia appearance, and basing the entire structure of your government on the assumption of an eternally present and just philosopher-king is bound to cause a catastrophe later on. This idea is just sophistry on the part of Empire apologists though. The irony is Reinhard himself is a deeply flawed human being willing to let entire planets get wiped out for a slight strategic advantage, the worst sort of megalomaniac. In the end both the democratic principles and "just" authoritarians are a conceit--Yang is right in focusing on individual rights, which the empire ignores totally.
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This show is cool in that it makes equal time for both lengthy discussions of political philosophy and rad knife fights.
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Raku posted:This idea is just sophistry on the part of Empire apologists though. The irony is Reinhard himself is a deeply flawed human being willing to let entire planets get wiped out for a slight strategic advantage, the worst sort of megalomaniac. In the end both the democratic principles and "just" authoritarians are a conceit--Yang is right in focusing on individual rights, which the empire ignores totally. What this analysis is missing is that Reinhardt's plan works, though: he really does unite all of space under his banner, and he really does improve the life of the average citizen of the Empire and reform the corrupt institutions within it. There's several mentions made of his reforms to welfare policy, how he deals with corrupt officials, etc., and even Yang mentions that Reinhardt is, overall, a force for good. The reason Yang opposes Reinhardt in the end isn't because he thinks Reinhardt is a bad person with bad policies, but that there's absolutely no guarantee that the people who follow Reinhardt after he dies will be so beneficent. It's why the series spends a great deal of time continually bringing up Rudolf von Goldenbaum: because whoever follows after Reinhardt could easily be the next Rudolf. He wants democracy because even an idiot like Job is transitory in such a system, whereas autocratic rulers and their descendents can easily rule for decades or centuries, continually following the legacies of their forefathers. There's two quotes that establish this, both from Yang: quote:"Dictatorship itself isn't absolutely evil, it's just another form of government. The point is how you can run it for the benefit of society." Vermain fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Oct 28, 2014 |
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Oct 28, 2014 17:24
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Raku posted:This idea is just sophistry on the part of Empire apologists though. The irony is Reinhard himself is a deeply flawed human being willing to let entire planets get wiped out for a slight strategic advantage, the worst sort of megalomaniac. In the end both the democratic principles and "just" authoritarians are a conceit--Yang is right in focusing on individual rights, which the empire ignores totally.
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Yeah that was all on Oberstein, Reinhard was just too stubborn to admit he failed to control that situation.
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On the other hand Reinhardt did bring in Oberstein to do that kind of underhanded and repugnant thing that Reinhardt himself or his other subordinates wouldn't have the stomach for. Granted it's an atrocity of such a scale that it would be hard to expect from even Oberstein I guess, but the buck stops here and all that. It's on Reinhardt in the end as far as his side's responsibility for the event goes.
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You're missing it. Reinhard was the next Rudolph. The fact that everybody (including Yang) treated him as being better was the result of either them being straight up hypocrites (Reinhard, people in the inner circle that knew), not knowing as much as the audience, or giving too much credit to his in-universe mythos. Reinhard is straight up Napoleonic in his lust for glory, he neither understands nor cares about other people's lives or feelings. A good example is his sister: Annerose can't even stand to be around him for a good portion of the show because of the things he's done ostensibly in her name and the human cost, in the end she's persuaded to come back and play the role of a loyal supporter because everybody's afraid the king of the universe might go even more crazy.
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I don't really buy that interpretation, everything we're shown suggests that Reinhard greatly improved the lives of people living in the Empire. He certainly doesn't have anything like Rudolf's huge eugenics campaign.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I don't really buy that interpretation, everything we're shown suggests that Reinhard greatly improved the lives of people living in the Empire. He certainly doesn't have anything like Rudolf's huge eugenics campaign. Yeah. Reinhardt is the anti-Rudolf: an authoritarian leader who deeply and sincerely respects people and who wants to create a society based on peace and justice, and who largely succeeds. His idea of how to create a perfect society is through enhancing the welfare of citizens, removing bureaucratic corruption, curtailing the power of the nobility, etc. Rudolf's idea of how to create a perfect society was to create a corrupt nobility answerable only to him and to try and exterminate the "surplus population" of society. The two could not be more different in ideological goals. The point of having him as such is to directly contrast him with Rudolf and the corrupt leadership of the FPA in order to genuinely ask what political system would best serve humankind, and why. He's specifically not a cackling madman who does bad things like mass-killing the disabled, because then the whole philosophical point of the show would completely fall apart.
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IIRC Rudolph was also not a cackling madman when he first started gaining power. Would Reinhardt have done stuff like Rudolph? Nah I don't think so, but I think the reason he dies so soon is to make you ask that question.
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SHISHKABOB posted:IIRC Rudolph was also not a cackling madman when he first started gaining power. Would Reinhardt have done stuff like Rudolph? Nah I don't think so, but I think the reason he dies so soon is to make you ask that question. There's nothing in Reinhardt's life or actions that would really make me question whether he'd really eventually "turn bad" any more than Yang's. The text paints Reinhardt as being unambiguously a force for good, and the questions asked about Reinhardt throughout the series are not, "What if he ends up becoming a ruthless dictator?" but are, instead, "What's going to happen once he's gone?" The fact that Reinhardt ends up dying at the end of the series means that the question remains open, with a few potential bright spots established before that event that give hope for a good future. Vermain fucked around with this message at 03:52 on Oct 29, 2014 |
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Oct 29, 2014 03:49
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Unambiguously? I think it also shows him rather cavalier with his people's lives. Witness the whole two fortresses thing and how he got a whole lot of people killed (and nearly himself, too) looking for a big show down with Admiral Yang. IMHO, he is shown as rather lacking in running things.
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Vermain posted:There's nothing in Reinhardt's life or actions that would really make me question whether he'd really eventually "turn bad" any more than Yang's. The text paints Reinhardt as being unambiguously a force for good, and the questions asked about Reinhardt throughout the series are not, "What if he ends up becoming a ruthless dictator?" but are, instead, "What's going to happen once he's gone?" The fact that Reinhardt ends up dying at the end of the series means that the question remains open, with a few potential bright spots established before that event that give hope for a good future. Well I guess it doesn't even have to be Reinhardt, like consider what people were saying above about Yang's opinions on dictatorships and how it's putting too much stake in the character of the descendants of the current ruler.
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Reinhard is already just as guilty as Rudolph was for the eugenics: the man starts wars that wipe out millions of lives just for his own ego. Sure the Goldenbaum dynasty was unjust. But Reinhard's reasons for overthrowing it, and then his justifications for trying to conquer the Alliance, are farcical. He sacrifices millions to save a woman that doesn't want to be saved, then millions more so that he can say he rules over the entire human race and not just 80% of it. He's a goddamned psycopath who refuses to even negotiate with people until they hack and slash their way to an audience. The fact that he makes a more efficient and generous government to reflect his high and mighty views of himself by no means makes him an acceptable ruler--he's rotten to the core to begin with, a mass murderer that considers himself a god.
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OddObserver posted:IMHO, he is shown as rather lacking in Raku posted:He's rotten to the core to begin with, a mass murderer that considers himself a god. Also, allowing Mittermeyer's terms of surrender after conquering Heinessen that did not prosecute politicians and military officials isn't congruent with a bloodthirsty, self-righteous god. A less principled, charismatic man would have just reneged on the promise, go in guns ablazing and not respect the FPA government. Also, remember that when he was told to take a wife and produce a heir, he said that it didn't really matter as long as people could take power with their own strength rather than receive it through undeserved inheritance. If you can say that his actions are cavalier with regards to soldiers' lives in the invasion of Iserlohn with Ginnesburg fortress, then Yang is just as implicitly a murderer since he also chose to rebel against the remnants of the FPA and the Alliance in establishing Yang's Irregulars. He lost 80% of his fleet in the Iserlohn defence. TLDR: yes, there are millions of soldiers and non-combatants who have perished because of his ambition-actions but you can't say that he's pure evil incarnate no better than Lord Zedd. Flat Banana fucked around with this message at 07:10 on Oct 29, 2014 |
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Tomn posted:
You'll need to head over to Trad Games and hit up the wargames megathread for some (block) Napoleonics. Napoleon's Triumph or C&C seems to be forever in fashion, so it might scratch your itch. Just pretend your dudes are spaceships and the terrain space mountain passes.  If you're married to an electronic format you're kind of out of luck. Maybe one of the Total War games in the period would do the trick? Those kind of lose out on some of Named Character Effortlessly Murders Their Way Through Mooks So They Can Fight Other Named Character feel of the series though. Maybe try the Grog Games thread for that sort of stuff as well?
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it really was an awful, garbage strategy if he wanted to beat yang with minimum casualties. However, if he wanted to expend the limited strength of the free alliance fatally(already near to breaking) it's a pretty incredible attritional strategy. It's a shame it's framed as the former, as part of his war lust, than the latter, which is an effective war ending strategy against the numerically inferior fpa without too much risk (er, aside from the fact that yang still managed to break through all those lines somehow)
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Any idea why the "Galactic Empire Military Anthem -- Valkyrie is Thy Courage" would be playing every morning at bestbuy? I work on the other side of the store, and I swear I hear it. I try to chase down the music and then its over before I can find out where its coming from. Seems to be playing somewhere near the car audio/home theater portion of my store.
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Beware: it's possible one of your co-workers is a nerd that likes an anime.
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Bongo Bill posted:Beware: it's possible one of your co-workers is a nerd that likes an anime. i'd quit
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Fuzzeh posted:Any idea why the "Galactic Empire Military Anthem -- Valkyrie is Thy Courage" would be playing every morning at bestbuy? I work on the other side of the store, and I swear I hear it. I try to chase down the music and then its over before I can find out where its coming from. Seems to be playing somewhere near the car audio/home theater portion of my store. Well, your only option is to fire this poo poo up and start an epic conflict for control of the entire store. But make sure you adhere to the principle of maximizing foppery and whim.
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I'm planning on re-watching this series soon, as I have some significant free time coming up and it's been a fair few years now. Is it worth hunting down all the "optional prequels"? I never bothered last time around so they would be new content.quote:(Optional Prequels) Gaiden and Spiral Labyrinth seem pretty straightforward to find but the later miniseries not so much.
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I think the 110 episodes of the series are entirely "worth it" in and of themselves.
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No argument here, but I've already got, and seen them previously (and again soon when I get time to go through and re-watch the series) E: I'll just keep looking around for it anyway and see if they turn up. Shanakin fucked around with this message at 16:15 on Nov 6, 2014 |
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Nov 6, 2014 16:10
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CA has subbed all of it - find all the extra stuff here.
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Screenshot time! First, some from episode 40, the Julian Watches the Space History Channel episode (which was an awesome idea on the part of the show writers to sum up the Alliance/Empire back story). This has to be my favorite inadvertently funny translation/spelling stuff so far. All right Julian, let us boot up our space computer shall we...  All right, megabit instruction get, mouse and sound volume drives put on record, drive A in not volume label mode -- the space computer checks out, looks like we're good to go!  Quite possibly the greatest name for a history program ever. If only all modan history textbooks were of the same quality.  Whoa there Mr. First Landsherr guy, I dunno what kind of kinky stuff you get up to, but count me out. It sounds voluminous and messy. And, as for something that was actually meant to be funny, I give you this, possibly the greatest thing Yang has uttered so far -- and he's said a lot of great stuff. From the previous episode, #39. Considering what an awesome line it is, I'm sure most of you LOGH veterans probably already know what is coming:   As if I needed any more reason to absolutely adore Yang Wenli, he goes and says something like this. God I love this character so loving much. 
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