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dennyk
Jan 2, 2005

Cheese-Buyer's Remorse

wa27 posted:

Not true, you gotta move the mouse around a lot to make things load faster!

I still have a habit of wiggling the mouse around when waiting for poo poo to load; I picked it up ages ago from working on Windows servers via PCAnywhere, which would often stop refreshing the screen if it didn't get any mouse input for a few seconds.

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Skex
Feb 22, 2012

The great thing about the thousands of slaughtered Palestinian children is that they can't pull away when you fondle them or sniff their hair.

That's a Biden success story.

AlternateAccount posted:

Oh for gently caress's sake, please briskly walk to the nearest incinerator and throw yourself into it.

It has nothing to do with politics or even economics. It has to do with playground horseshit of people who are still functionally children who will go out of their way to keep someone else from getting something special even if they don't want it for themselves.

It has everything to do with politics and economics, everything in the work environment is because of politics and economics. Or are you under some delusion that they're in it to "Create jobs"? The politics create the power dynamics the economics provide the incentives the behaviors are just the manifestation of those forces.

Someone asking for special accommodations highlights the over all flaws of the work environment's ergonomics, once that first person is granted a special accommodation other Employees are going to look around and say "gee I'm in as much danger as Sirotan of getting RSI, they got him/her a special desk, I should put in a request for my own." next thing they know one special accommodation becomes a trend and while a single $800 desk isn't a big deal, 50 or more is real money. Money that's going to end up in the wrong spreadsheet column when time comes to figure out bonuses. So it's in their interest to nip that poo poo in the bud with the first one.

And no they won't do the right thing to avoid workers comp payouts. Only companies who don't know better would ever pay out on an RSI claim. I know, I'll probably never have full nerve function in my left hand again thanks to the poo poo heads from my company's "self insurer" for workers comp doing everything in their power to delay, deny and defer my claim. It finally reached the point that I just said gently caress it and gave up and let my health insurance eat the cost after I'd spent a year fighting to get them to cover my surgery so at least I could prevent even more damage.

"How can you be sure that your injury isn't from playing tennis/golf/jerking off?" gently caress you rear end in a top hat.

Profit is the difference between the what the capitalist is paid for the product/service they provide and how much the capitalist paid to create/provide it. You maximize profits by increasing the spread between those two values. Since there is an upper limit to what the customer is willing to pay for a product once you've pushed your price as high as the market will bear the only thing left is to keep costs down.

Work environment is a part of the cost of labor, that's why you have cubicle farms rather than individual offices, space costs money that cuts into profits. Cram your workers in like sardines and you reduce expenditures and improve the bottom line. Quality ergonomic work-stations cost money, money that the odds are even if the poor sap with RSI can get compensation for will probably come from another company anyway so why should your company foot the bill when it won't reap the rewards for that investment.

Thanks to the hostility towards the idea of unions with so many tech workers, we lack the most effective tool workers have historically had to counter the power of the capitalist. So yeah it is about loving politics and economics. Trade guilds came into existence to address exactly this sort of situation for skilled workers but no that's too socialist for us.

What's pissing me off? Stupid loving libertarians cheer-leading the race to the bottom.

stuxracer
May 4, 2006

I got a paper cut 2 hours ago. It still stings.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


Just slammed my iPhone 5 pretty much flat on its back onto concrete, smashed both the glass panels. Welp.

Spazz
Nov 17, 2005

Pretty sure someone is robo-dialing people and using our support queue's number as caller ID. I just had a strange conversation with someone who sounded very very stoned and was as confused as I was when I said "We don't call people for no reason."

Welp.

MF_James
May 8, 2008
I CANNOT HANDLE BEING CALLED OUT ON MY DUMBASS OPINIONS ABOUT ANTI-VIRUS AND SECURITY. I REALLY LIKE TO THINK THAT I KNOW THINGS HERE

INSTEAD I AM GOING TO WHINE ABOUT IT IN OTHER THREADS SO MY OPINION CAN FEEL VALIDATED IN AN ECHO CHAMBER I LIKE

Does anyone here administer an environment that uses SEP/SEPM/LUA? I'm finding it hard to get decent answers from their "support" and their community forums range from barely comprehensible to answering questions I didn't even ask.


We are going to be in the process of shifting versions of SEP, currently we have 2 version out there, 11.0 and 12.1 RU4. I want our LUA to start downloading 12.1 RU5, but the LUA server doesn't have enough space for all 3 defs (don't get me started on why a production server has ONLY A loving 120GB HDD in it). My plan is to test download 11.0 and 12.1 RU5 only in our QA environment and figure out space requirements from there.

Now, if I delete 12.1 RU4 from our distribution and download center, will it purge those definitions? Basically, since space is an issue, we can't hold all 3 defs at once and I want to know if it's going to get rid of those defs so automagically or if I'm going to have to do some fuckery to get rid of them from our LUA and also our SEPM server.

*EDIT* also yes, poo poo pissing me off daily are all things related to symantec.

MF_James fucked around with this message at 02:27 on Oct 24, 2014

myron cope
Apr 21, 2009

poo poo pissing me off: DisplayLink drivers + Windows 8.1

We have a user who has this Docking station: http://accessories.ap.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=au&l=en&s=dhs&cs=audhs1&sku=452-11646

He has a Dell laptop that connects to it fine. He got a Lenovo (yoga) ultrabook a while back and doesn't use it because when he plugs in the dock, the monitor doesn't work. So it's a driver thing, since the Yoga doesn't have the drivers. So I take it, go to Dell's website to look for the drivers, they have some old version of the driver that isn't compatible with 8.1. But it really just points to the DisplayLink website, so I go there and find a driver that is 8.1 compatible.

Go to install it, UAC window pops up, then the installer pops up for like a third of a second and disappears. I try it in compatibility mode, try getting an earlier (still 8.1 compatible) version, nothing.

DisplayLink's site has a debug tool, cool, I'll see what that tells me about why the installer is failing. Go to download the software: blocked by Barracuda as a virus.

The best part in all of this? The user is the HR VP. My supervisor, who asked me to go up and take a look at it originally, tells me "oh yeah I had the same problems before with <another important user>, I looked like an idiot [for not being able to fix it]. Eventually just told her it wouldn't work." Great.

CitizenKain
May 27, 2001

That was Gary Cooper, asshole.

Nap Ghost

Sirotan posted:

Cool guys, thanks for making me feel like a valued employee. I told the doctor I saw he didn't need to write me a note since I figured everyone would be reasonable about things. Guess they are going to make me do this the hard way.

We had an office that learned a important lesson about ergonomics. They had ignored someone's complaint for a long time, and after she went in for back surgery, they were on the hook for the medical payments and a lot of worker's comp. They found out that replacing all their lovely chairs with decent Herman Miller chairs not only solved a lot of problems, they weren't replacing their lovely chairs every 2 years.

Che Delilas
Nov 23, 2009
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CitizenKain posted:

We had an office that learned a important lesson about ergonomics. They had ignored someone's complaint for a long time, and after she went in for back surgery, they were on the hook for the medical payments and a lot of worker's comp. They found out that replacing all their lovely chairs with decent Herman Miller chairs not only solved a lot of problems, they weren't replacing their lovely chairs every 2 years.

In TYOOL 2014, a business unearths wisdom from the ancient past: sometimes, you need to invest money into your loving business.

Crowley
Mar 13, 2003

CitizenKain posted:

They found out that replacing all their lovely chairs with decent Herman Miller chairs not only solved a lot of problems, they weren't replacing their lovely chairs every 2 years.

Decent office chairs will easily last 10+ years. More people need to realize this.

SubjectVerbObject
Jul 27, 2009

Crowley posted:

Decent office chairs will easily last 10+ years. More people need to realize this.

And crappy chairs that appear to be military surplus from the 1950's will last over 50 years. I worked at a place where the chairs we had sucked and people complained. So the company's response was to ask people to tell them if their chair was bad. If it was, they got one of the aforementioned surplus chairs, while their original chair was taken away to be fixed. After about a month they got their chair back, with a few cosmetic changes and maybe tightened up a bit. Still the same old chair, but it was a throne compared to the other one.

The next time they asked if there were any issues with the chairs, no one complained.

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM

Skex posted:

It has everything to do with politics and economics, everything in the work environment is because of politics and economics. Or are you under some delusion that they're in it to "Create jobs"? The politics create the power dynamics the economics provide the incentives the behaviors are just the manifestation of those forces.

Someone asking for special accommodations highlights the over all flaws of the work environment's ergonomics, once that first person is granted a special accommodation other Employees are going to look around and say "gee I'm in as much danger as Sirotan of getting RSI, they got him/her a special desk, I should put in a request for my own." next thing they know one special accommodation becomes a trend and while a single $800 desk isn't a big deal, 50 or more is real money. Money that's going to end up in the wrong spreadsheet column when time comes to figure out bonuses. So it's in their interest to nip that poo poo in the bud with the first one.

And no they won't do the right thing to avoid workers comp payouts. Only companies who don't know better would ever pay out on an RSI claim. I know, I'll probably never have full nerve function in my left hand again thanks to the poo poo heads from my company's "self insurer" for workers comp doing everything in their power to delay, deny and defer my claim. It finally reached the point that I just said gently caress it and gave up and let my health insurance eat the cost after I'd spent a year fighting to get them to cover my surgery so at least I could prevent even more damage.

"How can you be sure that your injury isn't from playing tennis/golf/jerking off?" gently caress you rear end in a top hat.

Profit is the difference between the what the capitalist is paid for the product/service they provide and how much the capitalist paid to create/provide it. You maximize profits by increasing the spread between those two values. Since there is an upper limit to what the customer is willing to pay for a product once you've pushed your price as high as the market will bear the only thing left is to keep costs down.

Work environment is a part of the cost of labor, that's why you have cubicle farms rather than individual offices, space costs money that cuts into profits. Cram your workers in like sardines and you reduce expenditures and improve the bottom line. Quality ergonomic work-stations cost money, money that the odds are even if the poor sap with RSI can get compensation for will probably come from another company anyway so why should your company foot the bill when it won't reap the rewards for that investment.

Thanks to the hostility towards the idea of unions with so many tech workers, we lack the most effective tool workers have historically had to counter the power of the capitalist. So yeah it is about loving politics and economics. Trade guilds came into existence to address exactly this sort of situation for skilled workers but no that's too socialist for us.

What's pissing me off? Stupid loving libertarians cheer-leading the race to the bottom.

*dismissive wanking motion*



Stuff kinda pissing me off today: Provisioning/Purchasing processes. I miss being in smaller company situations where I could just say OK GO to something and the decision would be considered made. It's probably a lame complaint and I understand the point behind it, but it's easy to get frustrated with checking all of the appropriate boxes when you had a few years of ruling by decree.

lampey
Mar 27, 2012

The Fool posted:

poo poo pissing me off this month: Trying to find any real information on products from MSP software companies like Labtech and Connectwise. Just so many layers upon layers of marketing garbage that I don't want to give any of these companies my money.

Don't get information from the companies unless you have a very specific request, get it from a third party that tests the products in a critical way. Also they all have demos so you can test it yourself if you know what you want to do with it.

ijustam
Jun 20, 2005

You know what pisses me off? I work in services and we make a majority of the profit for this company. Sales is up there but at the end of the day, services brings the gold. But we get all the lovely, second-rate equipment. Product development, a total cost center, gets top tier everything. They get electric ergonomic desks, better software, and have the ability to actually say "no" to bullshit customer requests.

Ugh. My job eats at me. We write code to ship it, not for quality and it bothers me so much. I'm in a position to fix it but customers almost dig their own Graves. One customer refuses to upgrade to our latest version until March, but they absolutely must have this feature NOW. So we're writing this horrible workaround that's littered with edge cases and has gone over budget due to the amount of UAT issues. gently caress you, you deserve your lovely product you morons.

Ugh. Customers are exhausting.

That Guy From Pearldiver
Apr 18, 2001

President and Sole Member of the Andre Braugher Appreciation Society
:smugjones: Hi, Your company site coordonator told me he didn't know how to configure the badge reader on our new machine. So he gave me the password to his admin account and said to call you.
:cripes: ....Okay. Can I speak to the coordonator? ::already knows the answer::
:smugjones: Oh. He left about ten minutes ago.
:cripes:




Added bonus. This was a Amazon site. Yes. "That" Amazon.

That Guy From Pearldiver fucked around with this message at 06:36 on Oct 26, 2014

Sirotan
Oct 17, 2006

Sirotan is a seal.


Greetings from my new desk:

Inspector_666
Oct 7, 2003

benny with the good hair
Sometimes things do end up OK :unsmith:

evobatman
Jul 30, 2006

it means nothing, but says everything!
Pillbug

Sirotan posted:

Greetings from my new desk:



There is no "Like" button here, so I will just quote your post.

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

Sirotan posted:

Greetings from my new desk:



A $3,000 desk and you still have to use two packs of paper to get the monitors at the right height?

Roargasm
Oct 21, 2010

Hate to sound sleazy
But tease me
I don't want it if it's that easy

Sirotan posted:

Greetings from my new desk:



:hfive:

Roargasm fucked around with this message at 03:42 on Oct 28, 2014

Sirotan
Oct 17, 2006

Sirotan is a seal.


spog posted:

A $3,000 desk and you still have to use two packs of paper to get the monitors at the right height?

We don't have any other monitor stands/arms on hand right now and I'm not even 100% sure the standing desk is going to work for me, so for the time being a couple reams of paper (I actually need to add another, the monitors still aren't quite high enough) will do me just fine.

It took me over two hours on Saturday to get my desk reconfigured. I've stood for an hour so far today. :feelsgood:

Che Delilas
Nov 23, 2009
FREE TIBET WEED

Sirotan posted:

It took me over two hours on Saturday to get my desk reconfigured. I've stood for an hour so far today. :feelsgood:

Don't know if you have prior experience with standing desks, but I find marching in place very lightly (as in, barely lifting each foot) helps me last longer on my feet at a standing desk like this. As I understand it, just standing motionless can cause foot and leg problems.

kujeger
Feb 19, 2004

OH YES HA HA

Che Delilas posted:

Don't know if you have prior experience with standing desks, but I find marching in place very lightly (as in, barely lifting each foot) helps me last longer on my feet at a standing desk like this. As I understand it, just standing motionless can cause foot and leg problems.

In my office we have these small concave boards to stand on that you can wobble slightly side to side (sort of like a skateboard without the wheels). Makes standing a long time a lot more comfortable.

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

Sirotan posted:

We don't have any other monitor stands/arms on hand right now and I'm not even 100% sure the standing desk is going to work for me, so for the time being a couple reams of paper (I actually need to add another, the monitors still aren't quite high enough) will do me just fine.

It took me over two hours on Saturday to get my desk reconfigured. I've stood for an hour so far today. :feelsgood:

For a couple of dozen reams of paper, you could have converted your normal desk into a standing one and saved all the office politics.


Actually, if you do the maths, it would probably have worked out cheaper, too.

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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Things pissing me off: Microsoft removed the very useful Share and store management in 2012 R2 and rolled back to computer management to monitor sessions and open files.

Ynglaur
Oct 9, 2013

The Malta Conference, anyone?

spog posted:

For a couple of dozen reams of paper, you could have converted your normal desk into a standing one and saved all the office politics.


Actually, if you do the maths, it would probably have worked out cheaper, too.

Until the fire marshal came through. :flame:

guppy
Sep 21, 2004

sting like a byob
I am very tired of utterly meaningless emails. Oh you "need my help"? You have "a problem"? That's great, why don't you tell me what's actually going on before I have to go back to my office and get the poo poo I would have brought if I'd had any inkling that I needed it?

Inspector_666 posted:

Sometimes things do end up OK :unsmith:

Not in this field. If it seems that way all it means is it hasn't gone to poo poo yet. :(

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


This is the current wifi situation in my apartment:



Why, oh why did the shittastic 802.11b/g standard win over 802.11a? lovely overlapping channels and massive sensitivity to interference is no way to build a reliable network.

Luckily I discovered that almost all of my devices support 5GHz 802.11a/n, and it just so happens that I scored a couple of 5GHz-only APs from work a while back. I went from getting maybe ~3Mbit/s to actually being able to saturate my 20Mbit DSL over wifi. Right now I'm sharing the 5GHz band with only 3 other SSIDs, so for the time being there's plenty of breathing room.

No, unfortunately there are no babes on the Babezone SSID. I checked.

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

Mine looks similar.. I see 22 APs from my apartment, most of them are on channel 1 and 6.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum
I don't understand why this is acceptable.

RangerAce
Feb 25, 2014


jfc unions won't fix ANY of the problems ITT. If anything it'll be worse. Ask any government employee, ever. Having a union doesn't magically remove bureaucratic dipshits from freaking out because you want to use a standing desk that no one else uses. That has everything to do with people being petty, pedantic, jealous fuckwits when given a modicum of power and authority. Add a union, and that just shifts the power structure around a bit, and you still have to deal with dipshittery, just from a different source.

But hey, don't let me interrupt your labor union manifesto. Please, continue. :allears:

dissss
Nov 10, 2007

I'm a terrible forums poster with terrible opinions.

Here's a cat fucking a squid.

I tried one of them for a while and found the lack of space on the keyboard tray and impossibility of fitting both my monitors on it was really annoying.

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

anthonypants posted:

I don't understand why this is acceptable.


I agree, any date format that isn't ISO 8601 is unacceptable.

And I guess if people have waited three months for their printouts they weren't that important anyway.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

KozmoNaut posted:

This is the current wifi situation in my apartment:



Why, oh why did the shittastic 802.11b/g standard win over 802.11a? lovely overlapping channels and massive sensitivity to interference is no way to build a reliable network.

Luckily I discovered that almost all of my devices support 5GHz 802.11a/n, and it just so happens that I scored a couple of 5GHz-only APs from work a while back. I went from getting maybe ~3Mbit/s to actually being able to saturate my 20Mbit DSL over wifi. Right now I'm sharing the 5GHz band with only 3 other SSIDs, so for the time being there's plenty of breathing room.

No, unfortunately there are no babes on the Babezone SSID. I checked.

gently caress. I thought mine was bad. There's 1 AP plus 3 more AP's (one in each apartment), then the company downstairs had 2 AP's. A few weeks ago some company came in and installed like 8 AP's for their 3,000 square foot office. Ack.

Inspector_666
Oct 7, 2003

benny with the good hair

KozmoNaut posted:

This is the current wifi situation in my apartment:



Why, oh why did the shittastic 802.11b/g standard win over 802.11a? lovely overlapping channels and massive sensitivity to interference is no way to build a reliable network.

Luckily I discovered that almost all of my devices support 5GHz 802.11a/n, and it just so happens that I scored a couple of 5GHz-only APs from work a while back. I went from getting maybe ~3Mbit/s to actually being able to saturate my 20Mbit DSL over wifi. Right now I'm sharing the 5GHz band with only 3 other SSIDs, so for the time being there's plenty of breathing room.

No, unfortunately there are no babes on the Babezone SSID. I checked.

This is every apartment I go to.

Q: "Why is my internet slow at 6PM on weeknights?"
A: Because the other 50 people in this apartment building use the internet too.

And of course, we keep buying non-5GHz APs for people, and people don't want to pay to upgrade anything to be able to use 5GHz anyway.

dissss
Nov 10, 2007

I'm a terrible forums poster with terrible opinions.

Here's a cat fucking a squid.

Inspector_666 posted:

and people don't want to pay to upgrade anything to be able to use 5GHz anyway.

Good - more 5GHz for the rest of us

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum

Collateral Damage posted:

I agree, any date format that isn't ISO 8601 is unacceptable.

And I guess if people have waited three months for their printouts they weren't that important anyway.
Actually, I just noticed that the other printer on this print server is the same device.

The reason this queue went offline is because the printer is set to use DHCP. So at some point 3+ months ago, the IP on the printer changed, and instead of fixing the loving printer or the queue they just added a new queue and left the old one because.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


dissss posted:

Good - more 5GHz for the rest of us

The new 802.11ac standard will happily poo poo all over 5GHz, so enjoy it while it lasts.

Caconym
Feb 12, 2013

I've had a JIRA ticket open with a vendor to fix an issue where some special characters will choke the client application.
Got a patch to test today, installed it, opened the application, held down shift and dragged my finger from 1-9.

Boom. :downs:

Did you even attempt to test this? I mean...

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Alliterate Addict
Jul 10, 2012

dreaming of that face again

it's bright and blue and shimmering

grinning wide and comforting me with it's three warm and wild eyes

Caconym posted:

I've had a JIRA ticket open with a vendor to fix an issue where some special characters will choke the client application.
Got a patch to test today, installed it, opened the application, held down shift and dragged my finger from 1-9.

Boom. :downs:

Did you even attempt to test this? I mean...

Dig into their codebase and let me know when you find the "s/some special characters//g" regex.

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