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Notorious b.s.d. posted:yes that is the point Gazpacho fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Nov 2, 2014 |
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Gazpacho posted:how can you avoid replacing init in this when it has the exclusive privilege of adopting orphaned processes well, step 1 is writing a gigantic manifesto about forking debian
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keyvin posted:I remember when I was in college and I thought c/c++ development was the most noble calling. It's more noble than being a UNIX cj which is only a bit more noble than windows janitorial services.
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Gazpacho posted:how can you avoid replacing init in this when it has the exclusive privilege of adopting orphaned processes (e: and therefore detecting their termination 100% reliably) the solaris equivalent of cgroups, "process contracts," takes care of this
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Cocoa Crispies posted:It's more noble than being a UNIX cj which is only a bit more noble than windows janitorial services. uhh no its unix janitor -> switch janitor -> storage janitor -> tape janitor -> windows janitor
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Nov 2, 2014 23:32
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:the solaris equivalent of cgroups, "process contracts," takes care of this so you're saying that instead of using the existing PID 1 orphaned process reaping functionality of the Linux kernel, systemd should have implemented an entirely new orphaned process reaping system in the Linux kernel
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pseudorandom name posted:so you're saying that instead of using the existing PID 1 orphaned process reaping functionality of the Linux kernel, systemd should have implemented an entirely new orphaned process reaping system in the Linux kernel cgroups should have included that feature, yes Notorious b.s.d. fucked around with this message at 00:29 on Nov 3, 2014 |
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and this is somehow systemd's fault
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cgroups does include that feature.
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It's funny to see you guys arguing about systd and solaris and whatever a cgroup is.
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Suspicious Dish posted:cgroups does include that feature. not really, it has a "this group is now empty" notification, but not a "the one PID that actually matters because it is the master server process and not just some worker has died" notification
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pseudorandom name posted:and this is somehow systemd's fault systemd + linux are a system, they were designed together. systemd is not portable. there have already been kernel patches only for systemd. so yeah i expect them to have consciously designed the thing, not just hack around however it currently works
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Nov 3, 2014 00:37
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you still haven't explained why doing it in PID 1 is bad
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:lol at describing aix or hp-ux in the present tense I'm just gonna sit here and sob gently ok (actually I think we're finally going to retire the last hpux server next year. rip bespoke database embodying the finest principles of early 1980s design)
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Nov 3, 2014 01:54
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youre not using nonstop? lol
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Old systems never die, they just get virtualized
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Though not at amazon, I mean everything has been virtualized but they take a Douglas Adams approach to os obselescence. They announce a date on a mailing list that you're supposed to just know about and any system running an old os after that just gets shut off by ops, unless it has a special dispensation. I guess that's why they're not running the os they started with (hpux) They handle just p much every aspect of IT policy this way, only os upgrades involve summary shutoff, otherwise you're just told when you go to scale your systems that you can't have that anymore Gazpacho fucked around with this message at 03:49 on Nov 3, 2014 |
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Cocoa Crispies posted:It's more noble than being a UNIX cj which is only a bit more noble than windows janitorial services. Look at thos fuking UPS pilot clowns. Pilot? more like Long haul truckers of the sky. last place I worked was a consultancy with profit sharing that enabled me to earn an ungodly amount of money. We took turns cleaning the office restroom and one guy had the messiest shits. Who cares if you are scrubbing the poo poo off a toilet or the poo poo bits off a server as long as you make enough to let you do what you want outside of work.
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keyvin posted:Look at thos fuking UPS pilot clowns. Pilot? more like Long haul truckers of the sky. drat u r seriously cool as hell. 
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keyvin posted:Look at thos fuking UPS pilot clowns. Pilot? more like Long haul truckers of the sky. alienated_labor.txt
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btw nerds, should I be using KDE or GNOME nowadays?
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Greed is eternal posted:btw nerds, should I be using KDE or GNOME nowadays? dwm
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Greed is eternal posted:btw nerds, should I be using KDE or GNOME nowadays? no
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Greed is eternal posted:btw nerds, should I be using KDE or GNOME nowadays? osx
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can you use kde or gnome on osx
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quote:KDE does not currently provide binary downloads for Mac OSX. Instead you need to build KDE software for yourself from source. The easiest way to do this is to use one of the Mac build systems which will automatically resolve all the dependencies for you. Unfortunately, this can be a very long process, taking up to 2 or more days. As at December 2012 MacPorts is currently recommended as it is the most up-to-date.
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Greed is eternal posted:btw nerds, should I be using KDE or GNOME nowadays?
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use icewm for that windows 95 vibe
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Greed is eternal posted:btw nerds, should I be using KDE or GNOME nowadays? both of these are piss garbage (but KDE is better because despite being a janky neon collection of sperg bait, it's at least usable). Mate and XFCE are relatively stable and are designed for mouse and keyboard use, not some fictional linux tablet that will never exist, use one of those.
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Soricidus posted:i recommend you build your own desktop environment by picking a good window manager like fvwm2 or openbox and then adding things like a panel and applets to taste (xfce's panel is quite good). tie it all together with a simple ~/.xinitrc and you're set! Are you from the past??!
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Greed is eternal posted:btw nerds, should I be using KDE or GNOME nowadays? just build linux from scratch and you'll give up before you get there and not have to worry about it.
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Soricidus posted:i recommend you build your own desktop environment by picking a good window manager like fvwm2 or openbox and then adding things like a panel and applets to taste (xfce's panel is quite good). tie it all together with a simple ~/.xinitrc and you're set! 
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gnome 3 is epically ftw
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Smythe posted:gnome 3 is epically ftw
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Greed is eternal posted:Are you from the past??! probably recommends arch linux for everyday use also
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it took me 15 minutes to configure xsession for my snowflake wm, i don't use bad linuxes though
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i don't want to know what xsession even is thank
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bobbilljim posted:probably recommends arch linux for everyday use also debian actually, arch is poo poo
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