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yo, Peeps, i've got my code word, and it is the grEatest code word ever. if i didN't know better, I would think that nobody could have any better word then waS given to me.
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Nov 3, 2014 18:06
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Strong Mouse posted:yo, Peeps, i've got my code word, and it is the grEatest code word ever. if i didN't know better, I would think that nobody could have any better word then waS given to me. You're wrong, because my code word is the best code word.
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Nov 3, 2014 18:07
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So I thought a bit about the game over the weekend, and I think that we're going to separate the players into three groupings. First, we have the lurkers. Second, the jokers. Third, the testers. The lurkers aren't going to be very active in the game thread, and they're not going to be very communicative with anyone they get outside communications with. They essentially become dead weight, especially since their code becomes locked away in their PM, unshared and unobtainable. These are the people we must vote off first, as their removal from the game reveals their word and (sometimes) their word's position. The jokers are going to be more active, both in-game and in OOT communications, but they're not going to give serious help in solving the puzzle. Either they think they can solve while withholding their own, or they think it's funny having people try TITFUCK in their guesses. Either way, while you might get words from them you're not going to get real words. These people will only be revealed as their words are tested and discarded, but after the lurkers these are the next group to remove, again so we can get their true word. That leaves the testers. These are the people that are trying to get information from others and make a play at actually solving the puzzle. These people are who we want in the game early, as there's a necessary give and take. But once we hit a point where someone has 11 correct words, or 9 words in the correct place, we need to switch voting to remove the people likely reaching a correct answer. So that's my strategy. Remove dead weight early to get their words out in the public, remove true threats late. As an olive branch, I will publicly answer one question about my word today, and answer truthfully. I will not answer anything too specific ("What's your word" is right out), but also won't pick a question so general as to be meaningless. Currently, the only thing we know is that there are 13 seven-letter words, which gives us an effective universe of millions. Sharing simple facts about the words is important today. Everyone give me your questions, I'll answer the first that's not unreasonable.
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Nov 3, 2014 18:49
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Hmm. Interesting. So lynching someone simply prevents them from winning the game. It's basically a popularity contest as far as lynches go. We could always agree to no-lynch, though, right? To give everyone still a fair shot at winning? It seems like it's just a "oh no, x is too close to a solution, we should vote him gone" instead of an information gathering tool.
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Nov 3, 2014 18:50
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My word is ZYZZYVA, owned
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Nov 3, 2014 18:53
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Realtalk Byers I see no reason for you to hint or reveal your word right now.
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Nov 3, 2014 18:53
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winvirus posted:Hmm. Interesting. So lynching someone simply prevents them from winning the game. It's basically a popularity contest as far as lynches go. It's information gathering to remove people that aren't participating, as it reveals the word their lack of participation has left locked in their PM. It's survival once someone's only a few words away from the win to try and eliminate that person. Beyond those two cases, yeah, it's popularity. Poque, what happens if no one has a vote at deadline. Do we all survive, or do you randomly remove a player?
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Nov 3, 2014 18:56
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But yeah since it's plurality if there's no votes at all during the day would anyone be lynched? I simply don't see a reason to necessarily lynch someone before any private contact at all, or even later in the game. If anything we should only lynch even days to get both the word and the placement.
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Nov 3, 2014 18:56
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Buyers your question is "How many letters long is your word?"
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Nov 3, 2014 18:58
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winvirus posted:Realtalk Byers I see no reason for you to hint or reveal your word right now. I'm trying to get other people talking as well about their words, to try and eliminate some of the possibilities. We're looking for 13 words out of millions, and short of being one of the final two there's no way to randomly guess that. I've already used my guess today to eliminate some possibilities, but I don't hold out hope to be one of the final two. Unless we talk, the only way to win is to outlast everyone else; since that's not likely to work for me, I'm trying to change the parameters and get conversation going.
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Nov 3, 2014 18:59
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Alternately if you feel that one is too revealing "Do you have a word ?"
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Nov 3, 2014 18:59
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MildManeredManikin posted:Buyers your question is Oh, you. 
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Nov 3, 2014 18:59
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If there are no votes at deadline, one person will be removed randomly.
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Nov 3, 2014 19:00
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I'm phone posting right now but I'll share my thoughts when I get to a computer.
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Nov 3, 2014 19:00
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Poque posted:If there are no votes at deadline, one person will be removed randomly. Balls. This is why I'm trying to get people talking about their words, even obliquely. I'm not comfortable sitting back and hoping on a 2 in 13 shot at being in position to win at the very end.
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Nov 3, 2014 19:01
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And yet this game is potentially unwinnable if the final two both bitterly hide their words since there are like you said millions of words that are seven letters long.
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Nov 3, 2014 19:02
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Don't have anything terribly helpful to add atm. Still trying to figure how best to make guesses. Are the words part of a theme? So far, it's a mystery.
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Nov 3, 2014 19:02
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winvirus posted:And yet this game is potentially unwinnable if the final two both bitterly hide their words since there are like you said millions of words that are seven letters long. At the final two, all words are revealed. Poque posted:Game End:
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Nov 3, 2014 19:03
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Ahh, I missed that part.
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Nov 3, 2014 19:04
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ActingPower posted:Don't have anything terribly helpful to add atm. Still trying to figure how best to make guesses. Are the words part of a theme? So far, it's a mystery. Poque said no theme. I tried several common seven letter words in my guess today, a few random ones, and several that were similar to my word, all were bad. That's what I'm saying, it's effectively random right now, hence pushing for talk.
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Nov 3, 2014 19:05
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Hi, I'm not very smart and while I think cryptography is very interesting I am too simple to have ever engaged it seriously. My initial inclination is to eliminate anyone who I think has a chance of winning this game, which would probably be winvirus or Byers.
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Nov 3, 2014 19:06
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Poque, is the thread going to remain open during night phases?
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Nov 3, 2014 19:08
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EXAKT Science posted:Poque, is the thread going to remain open during night phases? Yep, it'll be open and available for talking.
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Nov 3, 2014 19:08
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Byers2142 posted:Poque said no theme. I tried several common seven letter words in my guess today, a few random ones, and several that were similar to my word, all were bad. That's what I'm saying, it's effectively random right now, hence pushing for talk. Any chance you'd post the words that didn't work? 
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Nov 3, 2014 19:09
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There are no doubt several of us who, based on our code segments, are in a prime position right now.
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Nov 3, 2014 19:10
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EXAKT Science posted:There are no doubt several of us who, based on our code segments, are in a prime position right now. What do you mean? People with uncommon words?
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Nov 3, 2014 19:12
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To be a little helpful (or not) my word isn't a dictionary word.
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Nov 3, 2014 19:13
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Somberbrero posted:Hi, I'm not very smart and while I think cryptography is very interesting I am too simple to have ever engaged it seriously. My initial inclination is to eliminate anyone who I think has a chance of winning this game, which would probably be winvirus or Byers. This isn't crypto. This is something else. I'd agree, taking out people like me, winvirus, maybe merk would make sense before the game reaches it's final form. I'm a tester, so's merk (likely), and winvirus is either going to be a joker or a tester. I know I can't win the social game, neither can a lot of people. Hence, trying to give myself a chance to win before the final two. winvirus posted:Any chance you'd post the words that didn't work? Nope; like I said a fair few are similar to my word. One picked randomly from the list: COLLEGE.
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Nov 3, 2014 19:14
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Strong Mouse posted:To be a little helpful (or not) my word isn't a dictionary word. Wouldn't that, by definition, be not a word?
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Nov 3, 2014 19:15
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Byers2142 posted:Wouldn't that, by definition, be not a word? It is the name of something, and that name comes from having mashed two words together.
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Nov 3, 2014 19:17
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winvirus posted:What do you mean? People with uncommon words? That isn't the position I was taking in that post, but I'd be one of those as well. The word I got is seriously one of my very favorite words, isn't that lucky?
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Nov 3, 2014 19:22
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EXAKT Science posted:That isn't the position I was taking in that post, but I'd be one of those as well. The word I got is seriously one of my very favorite words, isn't that lucky? Well, Pokemon is a seven letter word.
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Nov 3, 2014 19:24
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Poque how is your username pronounced? This is important.
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Nov 3, 2014 19:28
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Strong Mouse posted:It is the name of something, and that name comes from having mashed two words together. TITFUCK confirmed
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Nov 3, 2014 19:29
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Why should any of us trust any information anyone makes public? I know that my first inclination was to lie about the theme and content of my code segment. Exakt, from our mafia experience I think you would have a decent social game and a good head for this stuff, but I'm weirded out by your prime position comment. And upon preview, I'm even more weirded out by you soft-claiming your code segment. Winvirus can you convince me that there is any scenario in which we were both in the final two that you would not win?
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Nov 3, 2014 19:29
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Also if there are words that are in the solution that aren't in the dictionary that's kind of bullshit tbh
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Nov 3, 2014 19:30
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winvirus posted:TITFUCK confirmed I didn't expect anybody to get it that quickly. Welp, there goes my bargaining chip.
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Nov 3, 2014 19:31
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Somberbrero posted:Why should any of us trust any information anyone makes public? I know that my first inclination was to lie about the theme and content of my code segment. The scenario where you somehow had more information than me, which wouldn't happen, because I'm smart, social and competitive. But you're playing Day 39 Survivor when it's only Day 1, so I agree with Byers that trimming the dead weight is likely the best initial strategy.
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Nov 3, 2014 19:31
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I've been thinking about the role of alliances in the game. The tricky point is that like survivor, nobody wants to put themselves at an equal chance of winning with somebody else. People probably will want to manoeuvre on top. A large alliance that everybody was very committed to could give everybody in it an equal shot at winning but also isn't very realistic. Coordinating who talks to who also feels important, you wouldn't want to waste your choice on somebody who chose you. As for voting the two most obvious schools of thought to me are the eliminate presumed favourites or eliminate the weaker links to ensure the game is pure and not won through sandbagging. I'm not really sure which of those I prefer. I know Winvirus is coming hot off a Genius win and all but I can't say I'd be a fan of any game where the final group is whatever players were deemed weakest.
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Nov 3, 2014 19:33
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