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EXAKT Science posted:I definitely like the idea of voting out the lurkers first. Someone who isn't posting will also probably be incommunicado via PMs as well, and so voting them out is the only way to get their information. Until Somber laid down his vote, this was definitely going to be my strategy; wait and see who by Wednesday hasn't really locked in, vote out the lurking fool.
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There's no deadline tonight? Gee I feel silly for submitting my word list already 
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Nov 3, 2014 22:22
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0/0/0, yeesh. I'll give out everything I tried to anyone who feels like talking tonight, seems silly not to.
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Nov 3, 2014 22:25
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Poque, what happens if the person you've chosen to communicate with gets voted out? Are you SOL, or are you allowed to switch? Are we allowed to declare a backup option (i.e. "Person X, unless they're voted out, in which case Person Y")? My preference is the latter option, as it seems fairest to the people who can't be around at the deadline for a particular day (easy to get screwed by last-minute vote-switching).
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Nov 3, 2014 22:44
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I'm totally fine with conditional submissions for communication lines, provided the conditions are specifically around player eliminations. Nothing related to "Player X, unless they pick me"
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Nov 3, 2014 22:45
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Why would you put your own word in your submission. You know what and where it is, you should try to figure out other words. From what people have put in the thread, and my own submissions, I am working at writing a list of words that aren't correct. Though it's mostly so I don't guess the same words multiple times.
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Nov 3, 2014 22:52
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Strong Mouse posted:Why would you put your own word in your submission. You know what and where it is, you should try to figure out other words. From what people have put in the thread, and my own submissions, I am working at writing a list of words that aren't correct. I didn't think much of today's submission because it's guessing random seven letter words and any pings are going to be dumb luck. I'll tell you that if I was going to guess another word it would have been "warthog", feel free to guess that on your list and see if you get anything from it.
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Nov 3, 2014 23:15
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Oh wow, things have already kicked into gear. Hey guys, how y'all doing? Somber, I like to think that we know each other a little given how many mafia games we've played. And I think you know me well enough to know how I'm thinking about this game. I like the way you think so far and I think we share certain opinions about how to tackle this problem. I can't promise that I'll work with you forever and I'm not going to hide the fact that I want to win but how do you feel about working together for at least a little while? I think our strategy would click pretty well. Byers, you instantly flipped your values based on one vote from an unaligned player. Are you really running that scared? I saw your season of Awful Survivor, you're better than that. I see no reason to believe a single word you've said so far in this game. winv, you just won the Genius. I think it should be somebody else's turn. merk, is your codeword THBEAST? Hal/MMM/Pecota, hey guys I know you from the mafias! How's it going? The rest of you, I've no idea who you are but I look forward to finding out! Here's hoping for a fun game! PS. Don't believe a word Byers says, he's spouting bullshit. ##vote winvirus My word is two words mushed together, by the way. Have fun with that!
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Nov 3, 2014 23:21
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Rarity, I think alliances in this game are more tenuous than most so I don't expect you to float me through the game. If you wanna work together on the puzzle, I think that'd be fun! You offer a unique perspective to most games. I'll drop you a line. My word is an actual word, by the by.
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Nov 3, 2014 23:35
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Somberbrero posted:You offer a unique perspective to most games. This is a nice way of calling me an idiot, isn't it? 
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Nov 3, 2014 23:38
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Haha, I legitimately have trouble working from your point-of-view but I don't think that makes either of us idiots. It took me a I have to admit that I've been so focused on the social aspect that I've barely considered how to actually crack the code.
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Nov 3, 2014 23:43
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My word is also not a dictionary word. Which makes sense, if you're running this game, and you want it to be a game of psychology and logic rather than lucky guessing on a dictionary attack. That being said, I suspect Sombrero is lying about his word being "an actual word." Rarity, I find it interesting that you put forth what a snake in the grass Byers is, and then vote for winvirus. I suppose it makes sense from a "not wanting the guy Byers wants dead to die" perspective, but really, with so few votes already cast, it seems like it would make more sense for you to vote for Byers, start a bandwagon there. All of that being said, I think the biggest threat night 1 has nothing to do with lurkers or logic; the biggest threat night 1 is psychology. The person who gets contacted by the most people is going to be able to form the biggest alliance, and have more knowledge than anyone else (since who contacts who isn't public knowledge). From what I've seen so far, our biggest threat from that perspective is Byers, so I am going to ##vote Byers2142. I think Byers sees this exactly the same way I do, which is why he's painted winvirus as a wild card (i.e. "don't contact that guy, he's unreliable") and Somberbrero as aggressive and offputting (though Somberbrero hasn't done himself many favors in that department). He's also made a point of making himself seem well-reasoned and calm, most likely in an effort to get as many people to contact him as possible. I suspect winvirus is just voting Somberbrero defensively, but if that's the case, I think he'd do himself a favor switching his vote to Byers. I also admit to being at something of a disadvantage, this being my first mafia-style game on these forums.
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Nov 4, 2014 00:00
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I would definitely want to wait a couple of rounds before we started going after lurkers, so that we could see if they have anything to say after a vote. I don't know who to go after right now, since I have a problem of seeing an argument and agreeing with it, the seeing an opposing argument and agreeing with that one as well. I am going to wait and see what other people's reasons for choosing somebody are before I decide who I think should go.
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Nov 4, 2014 00:06
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Thanatosian posted:Rarity, I find it interesting that you put forth what a snake in the grass Byers is, and then vote for winvirus. I suppose it makes sense from a "not wanting the guy Byers wants dead to die" perspective, but really, with so few votes already cast, it seems like it would make more sense for you to vote for Byers, start a bandwagon there. I'm happy to switch my vote to Byers but there was already a vote on winv and the impression I had was that the two of them were forming an alliance so to me a vote for one is as good as a vote for the other. And I did mean what I said about Awful Genius, winv won a huge forums game just a few weeks ago by ringleading the entire game. I don't want to see that happen again because it's boring.
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Nov 4, 2014 00:08
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Thanatosian, I know you have no reason to believe me, but I'm serious when I say that my word is an actual real word that you have seen before. I'm a little confused at the inclusion of nonsense words.
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Nov 4, 2014 00:13
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Somberbrero posted:Thanatosian, I know you have no reason to believe me, but I'm serious when I say that my word is an actual real word that you have seen before. I'm a little confused at the inclusion of nonsense words. On investigation my word is also an actual word! I just never heard it before
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Nov 4, 2014 00:14
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Man, you're all posting so fast! I'm still our and about on my phone, so nothing big yet from me. All I wanted to say was that my word is a proper noun. So... make of that what you will.
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Nov 4, 2014 00:15
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Somberbrero posted:Thanatosian, I know you have no reason to believe me, but I'm serious when I say that my word is an actual real word that you have seen before. I'm a little confused at the inclusion of nonsense words. And not a dictionary word doesn't necessarily mean "nonsense words." It could be a proper noun, a combination of two smaller words, an onomatopoeia, etc.
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Nov 4, 2014 00:18
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Mine is also a dictionary word, just a very obscure one.
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Nov 4, 2014 00:33
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Rarity posted:Byers, you instantly flipped your values based on one vote from an unaligned player. Are you really running that scared? I saw your season of Awful Survivor, you're better than that. I see no reason to believe a single word you've said so far in this game. I switched when I saw someone start voting in a way that immediate makes me a target. You've played in games with me before and you're not stupid; you know exactly why I reacted like I did, and you're trying to play dumb here. You've decided you're in the group I said should not vote Somber; you think you can beat him in a game of wits, and can disguise that fact. To be honest, you're probably not wrong. Just don't hide why you're attacking winvirus and me and siding with Somber behind falsities. You see an opportunity to remove several big threats back-to-back-to-back: winvirus, me, and likely merk like Somber wants. You just feel like you need to hide what you're really doing for public appearance's sake. I saw your season of Awful Survivor, you're better than that. Thanatosian posted:Rarity, I find it interesting that you put forth what a snake in the grass Byers is, and then vote for winvirus. I suppose it makes sense from a "not wanting the guy Byers wants dead to die" perspective, but really, with so few votes already cast, it seems like it would make more sense for you to vote for Byers, start a bandwagon there. This is a sign of how her desires are at odds with her public words. Somber's posts pushed winvirus and me into a forced grouping, and she wants to see that grouping go away because it puts her in a better position. But what she's doing in her posts is trying to paint this in a way that makes her look less selfish. You're voting me, for instance, and you're doing so for a clearly stated reason. You think I have an edge in the game, and want to remove me before I can exploit it. That's a clear, truthful reason to vote someone. That is not how Rarity decided to play the game. As for your vote on me, ironically I don't want a lot of people talking with me. I said before I think working with 3-5 people is optimal. Here's how: Those 3-5 people openly share about 75% of what they know about the words. Working together, they can use their guesses once they know words to pin down between two and six word positions in a single day's guessing. This gives that small group a leg up on the rest of the players, and the 25% they've all held back is where they can race for the win. This is the optimal alliance in this game, where there's an understood element of secrecy, but all shared information is done together and done truthfully. This is not the type of alliance players like Somber and Rarity are lining up for. Somber wants an alliance he is smarter than, Rarity thinks she can slowplay Somber. They're going into it lying. Last thing, my comments about winvirus weren't meant to denigrated him in the sense of "don't contact that guy, he's unreliable," though I see where you could take that from my comments. I was trying to get across what I mean about jokers with a concrete example, not say you shouldn't contact him. I'm not, but not because I wouldn't trust him.
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Rarity, if you sincerely believe "winvirus, you just won The Genius Game, it's someone else's turn" is actually valid reasoning, then I really don't know what to say. I play games because I am competitive and it's fun to play to win. I don't win often, but if I do, it shouldn't preclude me from winning again at a totally unrelated game, because that's several magnitudes of dumb
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Nov 4, 2014 01:05
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And, as was previously stated by someone, very accurately, my vote on Somberbrero is defensive in nature. I am open to other candidates.
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Nov 4, 2014 01:06
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My word is an awesome real word that will kill all your words. Also I am heading to a Nuggets game right now but I will watch up when I get home. Also also I will work with anyone who isn't a douche.
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Nov 4, 2014 01:23
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Byers2142 posted:I switched when I saw someone start voting in a way that immediate makes me a target. You've played in games with me before and you're not stupid; you know exactly why I reacted like I did, and you're trying to play dumb here. You've decided you're in the group I said should not vote Somber; you think you can beat him in a game of wits, and can disguise that fact. To be honest, you're probably not wrong. You're really not paying attention to what I've actually said, have you? I'm not promising to go with Somber to the final 2 or be lifelong BFFs or anything. I don't even know if I can beat him or anyone in the codebreaking side of this game because we haven't had a real chance to get stuck in to it and see how it works. And you're wrong about merk, I'm open to hearing him out but he hasn't said anything yet so there's not really anything I can discuss there. And is my vote selfish? Of course it is. So is yours and so is winv's and so is Somber's. We're all here to vote in a way that will get us further in this game. I kinda thought that was so obvious it didn't need to be said. And you clearly haven't seen my season of Awful Survivor because if you had you'd know it was actually Awful Big Brother, which just shows you're only saying words to make yourself look good without paying attention to what's actually true. winvirus posted:Rarity, if you sincerely believe "winvirus, you just won The Genius Game, it's someone else's turn" is actually valid reasoning, then I really don't know what to say. It's my vote and I can do it what I want with it, Dad!
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Nov 4, 2014 01:30
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Hal Incandenza posted:Also also I will work with anyone who isn't a douche. Aww 
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I would make an exception for you!
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Nov 4, 2014 03:47
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Not a fan of the constructed line drawing that's happened with Somber and Byers
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Nov 4, 2014 03:58
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MildManeredManikin posted:Not a fan of the constructed line drawing that's happened with Somber and Byers Honestly, my plan was to vote Byers this round, and Somber next round, because I am inclined to agree.
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Nov 4, 2014 03:59
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I would have gone in the other order, but yeah.
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Nov 4, 2014 04:01
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It would be interesting if everybody divided up into groups of 3. Three is an easy alliance number because if coordinate communication then you can end up talking to both of the people in your alliance that aren't you.
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Nov 4, 2014 04:04
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Strong mouse, How are you doing?
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MildManeredManikin posted:I would have gone in the other order, but yeah.
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Rarity posted:And you clearly haven't seen my season of Awful Survivor because if you had you'd know it was actually Awful Big Brother, which just shows you're only saying words to make yourself look good without paying attention to what's actually true. oh it truly does hurt when people pretend to have read your other games doesn't it
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Nov 4, 2014 04:16
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Thanatosian posted:I figure Bryers is more likely to pick up more allies this round. I was thinking about that. Winv and him already have The De Facto Alliance and he's implied merk will want to be part of it and PoP seems to like the idea as well.
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Nov 4, 2014 04:18
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I dunno Manny, you've already proposed as much as I have in drawing a line at the line drawing. You have a proposed elimination sequence, just like Byers2142 or I.
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What I specifically had a problem with was the idea that people should follow either you or byers. I don't think it's something either of you directly said but it's what I felt coming across. Gave me a very two party system vibe. More importantly it was ok when I did it because I'm me.
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Ugh, all this alliance-making! Can't we all just get along? 
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Nov 4, 2014 04:48
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MildManeredManikin posted:Strong mouse, How are you doing? I'm awake. I just enjoying this back and forth that people have going. To me, it doesn't matter who we vote out (well excepting myself) it just means potentially more data. I'm taking a wait and see approach currently.
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MildManeredManikin posted:I was thinking about that. Winv and him already have The De Facto Alliance and he's implied merk will want to be part of it and PoP seems to like the idea as well. Following Byers' proposition for voting gives everyone a chance to play, following Somber's doesn't.
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Power of Pecota posted:Following Byers' proposition for voting gives everyone a chance to play, following Somber's doesn't. That's a very good point!
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