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Power of Pecota posted:Following Byers' proposition for voting gives everyone a chance to play, following Somber's doesn't. Well, that's completely untrue. I understand it sucks but the social element of this game hinges around arbitrary player elimination. No matter what, someone leaves day one and it is never going to be especially fair. Byers wants to kill players who haven't had a chance to play much. After he kills a perceived threat. Why is that more valid than any other vote? Today is all about jockeying for position, the only difference is that I'm being honest about my strategy.
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Somberbrero posted:Well, that's completely untrue. Somberbrero posted:Just as a point of order, my goal isn't the elimination of all superior players. That's impossible to determine and has some weird connotations. I do think that I would probably lose any kind of logic puzzle game to you, winvirus, or merk, so it seems like poor play to try and work around that. I don't know anyone else here well enough to make that kind of determination about them, but I'm willing to take my chances because I signed up for this How can you write this and pretend to want anything other than the first three boots to be Byers, winvirus, and merk?
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Nov 4, 2014 06:45
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I'm not? My point is that regardless of who we vote, we are all ultimately only voting to advance our own position in the game and break the code.
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Nov 4, 2014 06:50
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Power of Pecota posted:Following Byers' proposition for voting gives everyone a chance to play, following Somber's doesn't. Yeah but that's kind of what I was irritated about. It's not like byers and Somber have defined the only methods in which we can play. And it's not a with us or against us situation. Also as discussed earlier, they have defined the same method but with different orders.
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Nov 4, 2014 06:55
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Somberbrero posted:I'm not? My point is that regardless of who we vote, we are all ultimately only voting to advance our own position in the game and break the code. If you ever watch Genius Game, congrats on being Gura.
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Nov 4, 2014 07:02
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I mean like Byers proposal was like eliminate the lurkers and jokers then eliminate the strong. The first part is a reskinned eccogambit but the second part is the same as Somber's strategy. If there are few lurkers and jokers then it's the same as Somber's. If lurkers and jokers is more loosely defined it might become an elimination of the relatively unknown people who don't speak up as much.
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Nov 4, 2014 07:06
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I mean like all the best winning strategies will probably have "eliminate somebody perceived to be close to winning" in them because that's the kind of game this is.
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Nov 4, 2014 07:08
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Eliminating lurkers in this game is vastly different than eliminating lurkers in mafia, MMM.
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Nov 4, 2014 11:14
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Rarity posted:You're really not paying attention to what I've actually said, have you? I'm not promising to go with Somber to the final 2 or be lifelong BFFs or anything. I don't even know if I can beat him or anyone in the codebreaking side of this game because we haven't had a real chance to get stuck in to it and see how it works. And you're wrong about merk, I'm open to hearing him out but he hasn't said anything yet so there's not really anything I can discuss there. And is my vote selfish? Of course it is. So is yours and so is winv's and so is Somber's. We're all here to vote in a way that will get us further in this game. I kinda thought that was so obvious it didn't need to be said. Survivor, Big Brother, same difference. It's where you worked closely with Asiina only to backstab her at the perfect time. Your nature is to work your agenda behind the scenes, where your words do not convey what you really think about the situation. We're all voting with a selfish agenda, but you tried to hide that behind a veneer of moral superiority. MildManeredManikin posted:It would be interesting if everybody divided up into groups of 3. Three is an easy alliance number because if coordinate communication then you can end up talking to both of the people in your alliance that aren't you. Three has the best everyone talks to everyone set-up, but ignore the social game for a second and look at the actual code work that needs to happen. Every person gets one guess a day, and guesses are how you can parse out word locations. More people leads to more parsing done in a day, that's why I said 3-5 earlier. The only line that's been drawn in my mind, right now, has to do with the approach. Somber's decided to take it to a Final Two and set up a goat to bring with him, while I'm trying to set things up to allow an early solve of the code. I'm more interested in the puzzle of the code than the social elimination, Somber's decided to essentially ignore the code until late in the game. That's why he's unconcerned about getting the codes from people not participating, while I want to eliminate those people to get their codes for us to work with.
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Nov 4, 2014 13:46
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MildManeredManikin posted:What I specifically had a problem with was the idea that people should follow either you or byers. I don't think it's something either of you directly said but it's what I felt coming across. Gave me a very two party system vibe. This would be a very boring game, in my opinion. We shouldn't be America, we should be England. Lots of factions, all with degrees of power. Groups of 3 and 4 players working together, players bouncing between to see if they can learn anything new from a different group, everyone trying to solve the puzzle and not just gather votes. That's the type of game I want. And it should be made clear, I'm not in an alliance with winvirus. We were forced to the same side just in terms of needing to fight against Somber's idea. I have no intention of submitting him as who I talk with tonight. The idea that there's a hard alliance is something being fabricated by Somber and Rarity.
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Nov 4, 2014 13:51
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Somberbrero posted:Well, that's completely untrue. That's a false explanation of my plan. I want to vote out people who are not playing the game so that we can access their codes. You're ignoring that whole side of things, because your game plan doesn't need their codes to be revealed early. You're playing to reach a point in the game where all codes have been revealed regardless, at which point most people are out of the game with no chance at winning. PoP's right; my suggestion leads to more than two people have a chance at playing the game successfully, yours limits the winner to whomever the final 2 are. MildManeredManikin posted:I mean like Byers proposal was like eliminate the lurkers and jokers then eliminate the strong. The first part is a reskinned eccogambit but the second part is the same as Somber's strategy. It looks like an eccogambit on the surface, but the reasoning is very different. This isn't Mafia and it can't be played as such. What matters here isn't surviving, but building up a knowledge base needed to win before you're eliminated.
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Nov 4, 2014 13:56
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Byers I will never stop being impressed by your ability for 
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Nov 4, 2014 15:34
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Who is "lurking" in this game?
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Nov 4, 2014 15:48
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MildManeredManikin posted:Byers I will never stop being impressed by your ability for It'd be more impressive if those words meant anything! MildManeredManikin posted:Who is "lurking" in this game? Exactly. It's barely been a day. Merk hasn't checked in yet and a couple folks who aren't crazy just have a couple posts. High posting volume will probably be the exception rather than the norm. I'm going to be trying to solve the puzzle before we hit final two, but I don't think that will happen. I'm just planning for the end in addition to playing the game, why would anyone else play differently?
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Nov 4, 2014 16:43
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Somber if you had to give a name to your team in this game what would it be?
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Nov 4, 2014 17:11
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Somber this is important, if you don't answer soon you're going to be team no fun.
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Nov 4, 2014 17:15
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Oh wow, I hadn't even thought about that. Team Three Boots?
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Nov 4, 2014 17:21
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Somberbrero posted:Oh wow, I hadn't even thought about that. Team Three Boots? That's loving weird but ok. Alright here is everybody's assigned alliances: The De Facto Alliance Byers2142 winvirus Power of Pecota merk Team Three Boots Rarity Somberbrero The Third Way Thanatosian MildManeredManikin Don't Want No Trouble ActingPower Strong Mouse Nevermore214 Seemingly Undecided EXAKT Science Hal Incandenza I know the difference between Don't Want No Trouble and Seemingly Undecided is minimal but you can change affiliations or make a new alliances if you're not pleased with your current one.
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Nov 4, 2014 17:23
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beep boop ignore this post
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Nov 4, 2014 17:27
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MildManeredManikin posted:Who is "lurking" in this game? I think it's too early to label anyone as such; game's been running less than 24 hours. Somberbrero posted:It'd be more impressive if those words meant anything! This rebuttal would be more impressive if it meant anything! MildManeredManikin posted:Alright here is everybody's assigned alliances: This is awkward; I wasn't planning on setting up communication with anyone in my assigned alliance. I'm recruiting a new alliance, one that I think can make it all the way to the top. Join me, on Team Shriya. 
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Nov 4, 2014 17:33
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well that's a little offensive
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Nov 4, 2014 17:35
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MildManeredManikin posted:well that's a little offensive Yeah, it's probably in bad taste. But Team Three Boots to Team Green Boats to Really Offensive Team Name. Welcome to how my mind works.
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Nov 4, 2014 17:37
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MildManeredManikin posted:That's loving weird but ok. You forced it, okay? I'm open to suggestions. You probably should have asked Rarity. Geez.
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Somberbrero posted:You forced it, okay? I'm open to suggestions. You probably should have asked Rarity. Geez. I would have but I think the UK is closed today
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Nov 4, 2014 17:38
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I wasn't offended!
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Nov 4, 2014 17:39
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Why are people trying to force hard alliances, anyway? Somber and Rarity have been hammering that there's a de facto alliance, not MMM is trying to label everyone in an alliance of some sort.
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Nov 4, 2014 17:40
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Hal Incandenza posted:I wasn't offended! This is how I know I'm home, people accept me.
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Nov 4, 2014 17:41
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There's a pretty thin distinction between alliances and voting blocs.
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Nov 4, 2014 17:43
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Byers2142 posted:Why are people trying to force hard alliances, anyway? Somber and Rarity have been hammering that there's a de facto alliance, not MMM is trying to label everyone in an alliance of some sort. Yeah, I don't get it either. To be frank, I haven't really considered the best course of action, but I feel like I would work with literally anyone at this point, and the only reason I would have to vote someone out wold be if I thought they were somehow super good at puzzles and wouldn't ever have any interest in working with me. I don't know that I support any of these proposed schemes.
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Byers2142 posted:Why are people trying to force hard alliances, anyway? Somber and Rarity have been hammering that there's a de facto alliance, not MMM is trying to label everyone in an alliance of some sort.  I just thought it was fun. But yeah voting blocs and what not.
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Nov 4, 2014 17:46
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Alright now we all need flags and stuff.
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Somberbrero posted:There's a pretty thin distinction between alliances and voting blocs. There's really not. This isn't just a social game; I'm voting you with winvirus because of mutual self-interest, but not planning to reach out to him for working on the code itself. You're still ignoring that whole second half of the game, because you just plan to outlast everyone. Here's the first thing that people need to work on for that second bit; we get a word today, but not its position. I'm going to reach out to someone who I think will help me to place that word in the correct place.
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MildManeredManikin posted:Alright now we all need flags and stuff. God dammit, are you trying to make me post more pictures?
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Hal Incandenza posted:Yeah, I don't get it either. To be frank, I haven't really considered the best course of action, but I feel like I would work with literally anyone at this point, and the only reason I would have to vote someone out wold be if I thought they were somehow super good at puzzles and wouldn't ever have any interest in working with me. I don't know that I support any of these proposed schemes. This is the Undecided Manifesto
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Nov 4, 2014 17:50
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Can I change teams to Third Way.
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Nov 4, 2014 17:57
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winvirus posted:Can I change teams to Third Way. Go for it; they're fake teams anyway.
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Byers2142 posted:There's really not. This isn't just a social game; I'm voting you with winvirus because of mutual self-interest, but not planning to reach out to him for working on the code itself. You're still ignoring that whole second half of the game, because you just plan to outlast everyone. I can't tell if we're talking past each other or if this is you being manipulative. Everyone should be trying to outlast everyone else. Everyone should also be trying to break the code. That is true for everyone! Everyone should be playing that way! Trying to last to endgame is not unique to me or any other player! Ignoring the social game aspect isn't noble or sportsmanlike, it's just silly. This is the game as written. As far as I see, the best way to determine word position to coordinate and share position guesses for that word with a large group of people. I don't think it's possible for any one person to really help you with position. MildManeredManikin posted:This is the Undecided Manifesto I dunno, it sounds like me, if wanting to vote out people who were good at puzzles didn't make me a fun-hater who wants to ruin the game.
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I loving hate Third Way Democrats. I want to be Team Not A Part Of Your System. Or Team Fight The Power. At the very least, Team Socialist Alternative.
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Somberbrero posted:As far as I see, the best way to determine word position to coordinate and share position guesses for that word with a large group of people. I don't think it's possible for any one person to really help you with position. Two people working together can find the position of a single word without revealing their own words/positions, likely in a single day. More people can work more words and guarantee the one day timeframe.
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Thanatosian posted:I loving hate Third Way Democrats. Team gently caress It All.
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