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CuwiKhons posted:Actually I lied, I want to talk about one thing right now. "Don't worry, Harley never was very bright." Go gently caress yourself, Rocksteady. Clearly a woman with a Doctrate in Psychiatry (you know, the one that takes well over 8 years to become educated for, not to mind residency as well) is just a ditzy dum dum! Her bloody profile on Wikipedia lists one of her defining qualities as being her high intelligence. So yeah, gently caress off Rocksteady.
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To be fair, Harley's intelligence is pretty much always in flux depending on who happens to be writing her. Also, she is (or was) a professional psychiatrist who let her own patient trick her into a life of crime and an abusive relationship. That's not very bright.
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Yeah, you don't exactly have to be a genius to become a doctor, you just have to do a lot of school. Harley has never exactly been portrayed as a brainy character at pretty much any point, although one could speculate that her insanity just supercedes her intelligence. And she's capable of being clever at times, but she's not a criminal genius like Joker or a super genius like Batman.
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You also don't have to be an idiot to make terrible life choices or become fascinated with criminals and serial killers, for example. Incredibly intelligent people go out, every day, and do incredibly stupid, self-harmful things. Harley is tragically broken character that is surrounded and overshadowed by other, also tragically broken characters, and therefore the psychotic-airhead persona she puts on for "Mistah J" becomes her only persona. It's really too bad, because well-written Harley is really good. She's had some pretty great bits in the Injustice comic, for example. EDIT: VVV Yeah, like that, that right there. RickVoid fucked around with this message at 08:07 on Nov 3, 2014 |
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One thing that they have portrayed fairly consistently is that once she's out of Joker's shadow she's actually competent. But she's got some deep seated psychological issues relating to her relationship with him. Whenever she does actually succeed Joker smacks her back down because only he can beat Batman. So there's probably some self sabotage going on. In the Injustice universe, after the Joker bombs metropolis she realizes that he's actually a psychopath and will never really love her, so she breaks off from him.  What I'm saying is Injustice Harley makes up for all the terrible things that came out of that plotline. 
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Kurieg posted:No Man's Land Uh, that was actually what I was referring to when I said the Government declare Gotham no longer part of the US. But that was more the Government throwing there hands up and saying gently caress it rather than deliberately throwing a shitlord of criminals into their own ghetto. No Man's Land was pretty awesome, though. Especially since it gave us the best Batgirl. Who I'm going to assume is the Batgirl of the Arkhamverse, since Babs is Oracle. RickVoid posted:I'm the opposite. I hate catwoman's new outfit but I really dig the updated Penguin. I feel it fits the character better than the formal suit with coat-tails. Mark me as another reinstalling thanks to the LP. Apparently I erased my save data, so I get to beat it all over again. Debating between a playthrough as 70's Batman or the Beyond suit. I'll try the Batman Inc. suit and pretend it takes place in the old DC universe.
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All I can say is that I am really, really sad there was no Adam West Batman costume alternative in this game.
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Samovar posted:All I can say is that I am really, really sad there was no Adam West Batman costume alternative in this game. There is
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TwoPair posted:To be fair, Harley's intelligence is pretty much always in flux depending on who happens to be writing her. You don't have to be stupid to be stuck in an abusive relationship, and this is much of my complaint about the way Harley is portrayed. When people DO write her as unintelligent, it often seems to be a way of saying "Look at this dumb chick! She stays with Joker even when he hurts her! What an idiot!" My preferred characterization is that while she is definitely more than a little bit out there, she plays up her ditzyness because Joker likes her better when she isn't being smart. As Kurieg said, Harley is much more competent and dangerous when Joker isn't around, and I agree that it seems like she sabotaging herself so she doesn't show him up.
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Wasn't there a TAS episode where the punchline basically was that she got closer to offing Batman than Joker ever did - on her own?
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I think Batman Arkham City is too long, to me there comes a time in the plot where you're going "okay, are we ready to end now?" Which is weird, considering that I've played it through twice. And watching you play makes me want to do it a third time. What I'm saying is I think it's a great game and I can't wait to see all the stuff I missed.
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anilEhilated posted:Wasn't there a TAS episode where the punchline basically was that she got closer to offing Batman than Joker ever did - on her own? Yeah, she did - and it was one of the most depressing episodes, too. Also, she manages to out-smart Batman in this game, too!
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anilEhilated posted:Wasn't there a TAS episode where the punchline basically was that she got closer to offing Batman than Joker ever did - on her own? Yeah, in "Mad Love" She was about to lower batman into a vat of Piranhas but batman talked her out of it because The Joker wouldn't believe her. Piranhas don't leave behind a recognizable body. So she calls him up to have him come watch and he's furious and he starts beating the poo poo out of her because only he's allowed to kill Batman. And she forgives him because it's obviously her fault for not understanding him better.
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On a different note, given the recent youtube changes, would you consider recording at 60fps?
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grimlock_master posted:On a different note, given the recent youtube changes, would you consider recording at 60fps? I've been having some bad luck both recording and viewing anything on YouTube at 60FPS so I think I'm going to have to pass on that one for the moment. Samovar posted:Yeah, she did - and it was one of the most depressing episodes, too. Kurieg posted:Yeah, in "Mad Love" She was about to lower batman into a vat of Piranhas but batman talked her out of it because The Joker wouldn't believe her. Piranhas don't leave behind a recognizable body. So she calls him up to have him come watch and he's furious and he starts beating the poo poo out of her because only he's allowed to kill Batman. And she forgives him because it's obviously her fault for not understanding him better. The moment in question, more or less: http://youtu.be/-xswOoUKcg8?t=1m7s. Joker? More like Jerker.  Worth mentioning is that Arleen Sorkin, the VA for Harley in B:TAS and Arkham Asylum does not reprise her role here. Not sure why but it's little trivia! As for why Harley is so often misused, there's a platitude to be made about women in comic books that I won't put here but suffice to say it's not just a Harley problem.Still, Paul Dini (who wrote this storyline and Arkham Asylum) was one of the folks along with Bruce Timm who introduced Harley to the DC universe so I'd hope she's not too out of it. Dini's contribution was enough that he's got a neat callout in both games, in the opening cinematic for Arkham Asylum there's a neon sign for Paul's Diner that I believe gets bisected by a light post just enough for it to say Paul Dini. In Arkham City one of the buildings sitting around is Dini Towers which seems like it's probably in tribute.
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dscruffy1 posted:The moment in question, more or less: http://youtu.be/-xswOoUKcg8?t=1m7s. Joker? More like Jerker. Wow, I didn't realise Arleen wasn't back as Harley! Props to whoever they got to replace her.
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Yvonmukluk posted:Wow, I didn't realise Arleen wasn't back as Harley! Props to whoever they got to replace her. Tara Strong, the voice of many characters in TV and games, best known for being Bubbles in the Powerpuff Girls, Timmy Turner in Fairly Odd Parents and she's also in MLP too.
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Judge Tesla posted:Tara Strong, the voice of many characters in TV and games, best known for being Bubbles in the Powerpuff Girls, Timmy Turner in Fairly Odd Parents and she's also in MLP too. I don't know who would break who first.
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Nah, I would say that I was pretty sure it wasn't Arleen, because (if I remember correctly) Quinn in the original series is supposed to have an exaggerated New Jersey accent, while in this game it is... more infantile-esque?
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dscruffy1 posted:Worth mentioning is that Arleen Sorkin, the VA for Harley in B:TAS and Arkham Asylum does not reprise her role here.
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Kurieg posted:I might be remembering incorrectly, but I think the reason is that it was getting increasingly hard for her to pull off the Harley voice. There are a few scenes in asylum where you can hear her voice crack. Considering Sorkin is 59 years old, I'm not surprised she can't really do it anymore.
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Gotta admit, she got me fooled in City, I thought it was still her. Unlike some voiceswaps coughtoriginscough that one was fairly subtle. Anyway, I don't really like Harley in the games compared to the TAS (which I - coincidentally - downloaded and watched as a result of the previous LP) where she was one of the most enjoyable characters. I think she got hit by the transition towards grimdark style and more mature audience the most - in the show she's actinbg whimsical and carefree which works as a perfect contrast to her actual situation (making the fact she's the only one who doesn't realize it that muc sadder), but here she's delegated to being a Joker#2. With boobs. And being annoying instead of funny.
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Harley's a terrible character, efforts to rehabilitate and basically fully rewrite her in injustice notwithstanding. It's worth recognizing that for all the other significant strengths of BtAS, Dini and Timm designed her (and most other significant female characters on the show) as pin-up models first and characters a long second. This is basically their approach to female characters, a product of the social mores of their period of primacy in comics. Quinn was designed from the ground up to be a sex object, useful idiot and punching bag to counterbalance Joker- while the efforts to read or write something better into her character are commendable, I'd frankly she prefer that she disappear and the industry and fandom focus on other, better female characters who were more exempted from this design approach, like Renee Montoya (ma'am not appearing in this game). The depiction of gender is the massive, massive weakspot of the arkham series. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Nov 4, 2014 |
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I like Harley. Her first comic series was pretty good, depicting her as a very competent, if ditzy crime boss, expanding her psychology studies background, and having fun adventures with her pal Poison Ivy. All other Batman villains are about revenge or tragedy. Harley's only reason to be a villain is because of her love for the Joker, and her adventures were mad, villanous capers that were all kinds of fun.
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Discendo Vox posted:Harley's a terrible character, efforts to rehabilitate and basically fully rewrite her in injustice notwithstanding. It's worth recognizing that for all the other significant strengths of BtAS, Dini and Timm designed her (and most other significant female characters on the show) as pin-up models first and characters a long second. This is basically their approach to female characters, a product of the social mores of their period of primacy in comics. I won't deny that Timm and Dini's approach to female characters and their designs are, on the whole, overtly sexualised and I don't think that is good; however, I would argue that Batman's villians are usually designed to be archetypes of particular mental disorders in general, and with that in mind, Quinn in herself isn't a 'terrible' character becasue Two Face, or the Riddler, or the Ventriloquist are not 'terrible' characters. (Not that writing people as archetypes of mental illnesses isn't good in the first place). Samovar fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Nov 4, 2014 |
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Discendo Vox posted:Harley's a terrible character, efforts to rehabilitate and basically fully rewrite her in injustice notwithstanding. It's worth recognizing that for all the other significant strengths of BtAS, Dini and Timm designed her (and most other significant female characters on the show) as pin-up models first and characters a long second. This is basically their approach to female characters, a product of the social mores of their period of primacy in comics. Detective Montoya. EDIT: I am a moron, Montoya was mentioned in the post before I edited it out of what I was quoting. Move along. RickVoid fucked around with this message at 23:12 on Nov 4, 2014 |
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Harley Quinn is a good, fun character and nowhere near where I would start with feminist concerns for the Batman universe. Off the top of my head, I'd say Ivy's man-eater sexuality, Barbara being fridged, and cat woman in general are all better starting points.
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RickVoid posted:Detective Montoya. How do you do this? How do you read the post, hit quote, and respond, while actively deleting the part of my post where I say the exact thing you're responding with? 
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Discendo Vox posted:How do you do this? How do you read the post, hit quote, and respond, while actively deleting the part of my post where I say the exact thing you're responding with? How the gently caress did I not notice that you had her in there in the first place!? Yeah. I'll go fix that poo poo. Carry on.
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 Sidetracking Down the Joker/Polsy - Interview tape: Two-Face 1, character bios updated: Bane Combat Challenge: Blind Justice/Polsy with Animated Series Batman skinI'm fairly sure the first video finished processing. If not I'll reupload it when I get back from work. dscruffy1 fucked around with this message at 09:53 on Nov 5, 2014 |
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Kurieg posted:I might be remembering incorrectly, but I think the reason is that it was getting increasingly hard for her to pull off the Harley voice. There are a few scenes in asylum where you can hear her voice crack. This is also why Hamill is done voicing Joker. Discendo Vox posted:Quinn was designed from the ground up to be a sex object, useful idiot and punching bag to counterbalance Joker- while the efforts to read or write something better into her character are commendable, I'd frankly she prefer that she disappear and the industry and fandom focus on other, better female characters who were more exempted from this design approach, like Renee Montoya (ma'am not appearing in this game). Out and out removing a female character is not an improvement to the way the industry currently treats female characters, and discarding a character that is not only popular in general but popular with female fans specifically would not do DC any favors. A character originally designed to be useless background decoration does not have to stay a weak character. Blame the writers, not the character, for failing to help her rise above being Joker's punching bag - especially when many writers HAVE written her better. Her having been a victim of abuse does not mean that she must be a victim in perpetuity. I find Harley an interesting character even in a purely mechanical sense as she's one of very few villainesses whose main threat is a physical one. Most villainesses are designed around seduction (Ivy) or stealth (Selina) or having minions and plans (Talia al Ghul) or superpowers (Livewire). Harley has a hammer and she will knock your block off with it. edit - basically my point is that we shouldn't act as though we can only have one good female character at a time and we should ignore characters that don't stand the best chance of being written correctly CuwiKhons fucked around with this message at 00:30 on Nov 5, 2014 |
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I like Harley and I like she's like a crazy pin-up girl with a clown fetish and a penchant for homicide. I think her outfits in the Arkham series are kind of dumb though. Poison Ivy is cool too, kind of prefer the leaf leotard to...uh...well I won't spoil what Ivy's costume in this game is. EDIT: All comic book characters are drawn sexy, they are basically all nude models with painted on clothes, male or female, except for Zatanna, who is the best.
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I forgot how much fun combat is to watch in this game. Just the right balance between efficient and flashy.
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Discendo Vox posted:Harley's a terrible character, efforts to rehabilitate and basically fully rewrite her in injustice notwithstanding. It's worth recognizing that for all the other significant strengths of BtAS, Dini and Timm designed her (and most other significant female characters on the show) as pin-up models first and characters a long second. This is basically their approach to female characters, a product of the social mores of their period of primacy in comics. If they have Cassandra Cain as Batgirl/Blackbat in the sequel, then all would be forgiven. I mean c'mon, they're bringing in Jason Todd and they'e established Babs was Batgirl, so why not have her show up? Edit: Also I beliee the Bat Swarm combo is based off Batman using that trick back in Batman: Year One, which was pretty much the canon origin for Batman in the comics until the reboot. 
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Now that they've been mentioned in the video, the quickfire gadgets and disarm and destroy technique can be annoying. While playing new game+, some enemies, who we'll not see for some time, gave me a harder time than others. These enemies also seem to have less "priority" when it comes to the disarm and destroy. The same applies to the quickfire batarang. In one combat challenge I tried throwing the batarang at an enemy about to throw a canister but kept hitting the baddie right next to him. These are minor annoyances, but they sure do disrupt the flow of combat when you run into them.
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Will you also be intermittently checking up on various radio channels through the game? The GCPD dispatch, Gotham News, et. al? Do they even have different radio transmissions for progressing for the game, or is it all looped?
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This is without a doubt my favorite Arkham game and honestly one of my favorite games of all time. I have a 100% save file and 0 regrets (I have to say the regret thing because I have 100% on Origins too). Glad to see it LP'd.
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Discendo Vox posted:The depiction of gender is the massive, massive weakspot of the arkham series. Would Catwoman really not be as effective if she zipped up her top? But I guess it's important that we know she has boobs because she's a female character.  Don't mean to start poo poo, but that's a real bummer from an otherwise great game.
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Yvonmukluk posted:Edit: Also I beliee the Bat Swarm combo is based off Batman using that trick back in Batman: Year One, which was pretty much the canon origin for Batman in the comics until the reboot. He also pulled it in the Justice League cartoon at least once (best clip I could find) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYRHgmXGSGI&t=93s
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