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Gotta agree that what Dongmin should have done in the last round (not before) if he could in fact feel a weight-difference, was simply search through the cubes one by one until he was sure he'd found 3 bombs, put them to one side of the mine while bringing the rest to the other, and have his team just grab from that pile. That should get them max points, with the other 6 unlikely to bet over 100 total (in the end they bet, what, a little over 100 that round, mostly due to Hyunmin's 50, right?) giving each of them around 70 - 80 points. Even if one team somehow sniffed it out and bet 50 each, the other would be unlikely to bet more than 10 - 15 each if even that, leaving 40 - 50 each for Dongmin's team. Would be safer than relying on Hyunmin, while having the same end result barring some real weird bets from the rest (or even let him give the token to Ahyoung or Sujin), and I was waiting for this to happen since the reveal he could tell the difference actually. That said, unlike, say, the card-back trick found by Jinho in season one, this one seems like a pretty bad set-up. First, you have to be able to feel the weight-difference in the first place, while everyone could see the cardbacks if they thought of it in S1. Second, even if you can feel it, having to pick up multiple at the same time AND the fact you can't see what you're picking up makes it hard to use even if you are both able to feel the difference, and notice it. Both Dongmin and Hyunmin had issues with picking them out. In the end Dongmin was smart enough to have a back-up plan with Hyunmin at least, so it worked out for him fine if not as much for Sujin. And I gotta say, another Poker death-match is a bit much. Of course, this one was even dumber than the previous ones, first with best draw after the tie being purely luck, then the huge mistake from Sujin. Can't blame anyone but herself after that one at least. But the fact that the first player who gets high numbers on both sides, and higher than their opponent's top, AND gets to bet first basically gets a free 11 garnets is still incredibly dumb. As is a lot about that game.
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Daeno posted:Ep 5. first BTS up. I can honestly say I won't mind it if all of the BTS clips from now on are about Dongmin and Ahyoung 
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Hat Thoughts posted:You would not be a fun person to watch play this game Haha, well, just because it isn't smart doesn't mean it won't be entertaining. I'm curious if Dongmin will be more of a Sangmin or a Jinho. My money is on Yeonseung going to the deathmatch and losing to Yoohyun or Ahyoung.
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Yeonseung was pretty dumb in this episode but remember that the viewers have a lot of information that the players don't have. Given what Yeonseung knew, he made the right choice. Yeonseung's strategy wasn't to get one below Junghoon, it was to just get more than Sujin as to not be last. If Hyunmin's team mines low (1-1-1), Yeonseung isn't going to get anything anyway. But if they mine a bit higher (say to boost Junghoon out of the danger zone) then he may be able to capitalize on that, but he knows they won't mine a lot of points since Hyunmin and Yoohyun are already in the lead, so he has to keep his bet more conservatively. It was a calculated move, albeit not a very thorough one. He had no idea that Dongmin and Hyunmin were collaborating (nobody did) to get Sujin out of last place. Even though you think it should have been obvious after Hyunmin got 50 points, as a player, the connection pointing him to Dongmin wasn't obvious and as we saw, even that alliance was shaky as Hyunmin was having second thoughts at the end. If it had gone the other way, Yeonseung would have definitely beat Sujin. You can't really blame Yeonseung for that particular decision with 20/20 Hindsight and behind-the-scenes-audience-vision. That being said, in the early game he definitely did pretty badly with feeling out what other players were going to bet. I also agree with his decision to go against Dongmin. Yeonseung can't trust Dongmin. Yeonseung knows he's a pushover and he'll just be brushed aside when convenient. Yeonseung is trying to prop himself up as a strong player. Even if he isn't, I give him credit for trying. If he gets eliminated, he goes out fighting, not as a player who gets carried away by the whims of other players. Plus, in the last two games now Dongmin has been unsuccessful in protecting the people he has allied with. Sujin and before, Hweejong. Dongmin talks big and he is a competent player, but only so far as he can use people to his advantage; he hasn't demonstrated the ability to actually protect them
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If Yeonseung doesn't want to be part of Dongmin's team, he should wait until Dongmin's vulnerable to strike. Making an enemy who's been way better at the main match games and has a lot of people happily working with him is just going to mean Yeonseung's collaboratively shut down even more. He could have gotten a bunch of garnets and been on the right side of a majority alliance for once and he turned it down for his own ego pretty much. Okay showing for Yoohyun, if anyone left can compete against Dongmin/Hyunmin I think it'll be him
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Verr posted:I'm curious if Dongmin will be more of a Sangmin or a Jinho. So far Dongmin and Hyunmin seem like mirror world Sangmin and Jinho to me. The fiercely loyal social player and the ruthlessly calculating game theory master. It owns and I hope they are the finals (we never got a proper Jinho vs Sangmin showdown  )
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Nov 4, 2014 03:40
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Tonfa posted:So far Dongmin and Hyunmin seem like mirror world Sangmin and Jinho to me. The fiercely loyal social player and the ruthlessly calculating game theory master. It owns and I hope they are the finals (we never got a proper Jinho vs Sangmin showdown Let's be honest though, Dongmin is waaaaay smarter than Sangmin. He's social, sure, but he's legitimately good at the game strategy.
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Tonfa posted:So far Dongmin and Hyunmin seem like mirror world Sangmin and Jinho to me. The fiercely loyal social player and the ruthlessly calculating game theory master. It owns and I hope they are the finals (we never got a proper Jinho vs Sangmin showdown In hindsight a Sangmin/Jinho death match would have been a huge silver lining to S2 - I think S1's top 3 were all super deserving and we got to see the big Kyungran/Sangmin and Jinho/Kyungran showdowns. Sangmin beating Jinho directly and making it so all three of them were 1-1 against the other two would be awesome, although Sangmin beating Jinho indirectly S2 kinda fills the same function.
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Dongmin's proposal was totally ruined. His promise to protect Ahyeoung if they got married took a hit when he failed to protect Sujin like he said. I mean they were probably joking but editors are good at making these things look like actual romances.
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Verr posted:Haha, well, just because it isn't smart doesn't mean it won't be entertaining. I'm curious if Dongmin will be more of a Sangmin or a Jinho. My money is on Yeonseung going to the deathmatch and losing to Yoohyun or Ahyoung. He seems to be more of a social player than a logic guy (like how he didn't use the knowledge of how to manipulate the mine to maximize the points for the people he wanted on his side). Obviously he's not a fool, but he seems to build his game plan around connecting with the people he wants and isn't very dynamic when it comes to the play itself. That might be his downfall if he gets locked in on a plan that crumbles around him and then he finds himself in a non-social deathmatch. Tonfa posted:So far Dongmin and Hyunmin seem like mirror world Sangmin and Jinho to me. The fiercely loyal social player and the ruthlessly calculating game theory master. It owns and I hope they are the finals (we never got a proper Jinho vs Sangmin showdown Yeah, that's a good way of thinking about it. Right now Dongmin is the most interesting to watch, though.
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Tonfa posted:So far Dongmin and Hyunmin seem like mirror world Sangmin and Jinho to me. The fiercely loyal social player and the ruthlessly calculating game theory master. It owns and I hope they are the finals (we never got a proper Jinho vs Sangmin showdown I was thinking about that too, actually. The way I see it, there's two ways to approach competitive gaming of any kind: you can either break the opponents or break the game. Dongmin and Sangmin were better at the former, Jinho and Hyunmin (and Yohwan, really) were better at the latter. The Miner Game exemplified that, Dongmin went straight into making alliances while Hyunmin decided to figure out any hidden tricks in the game before anything else. Dongmin isn't as aggressive with his alliances as Sangmin, tho.
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I kind of see the comparison between Dongmin and Sangmin, but Sangmin definitely had that reputation of surprise betrayals. That was kind of his thing. Dongmin, on the other hand, seems to be completely against betraying anyone he agrees to ally with. He definitely set the tone in last week's episode when he told the winning team straight-up that he wasn't going to accept or offer any deal to avoid going into the Death Match.
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Nov 4, 2014 09:13
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There simply has to be a Dongmin - Ahyoung deathmatch which turns into a comedy as they both try to let the other win.
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Another BTS is up. More Ahyoung/Dongmin comedy gold. I find Ahyoung as funny as Dongmin sometimes; she reminds me of a friend of mine who is super smart but aloof at times, and gets incredibly loud when excited about even small things. It's hilarious every time the players are having some serious discussion and then suddenly Ahyoung bursts out laughing in some other room.
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Verr posted:We're starting to hit the mid-game! This was a great round. As of today's game, I think the breakdown of alliances seems something like this: Gonna say Hyunmin is definitely not on that alliance anymore if I had to bet anything.
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Nov 4, 2014 19:03
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Shakugan posted:Another BTS is up. Except Ahyoung has done literally nothing the entire game except be the victim of Dongmin's scolding, which is pretty funny but still, would be nice if she had a chance to actually use her brain.
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Subyng posted:Except Ahyoung has done literally nothing the entire game except be the victim of Dongmin's scolding, which is pretty funny but still, would be nice if she had a chance to actually use her brain. Forget the first death match?
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BSam posted:Forget the first death match? She didn't really do anything there, Juri just played badly.
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Davincie posted:She translated the latin! That reminds me, both ahyoung and yoohyun speak English, right? I think they could potentially make an effective team just by being able to openly convey information to each other without anyone else understanding.
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HiipFire posted:Would the other people not atleast know a little bit of english? It really depends but as far as I can tell (going by Running Man and Japan  ) the level of English there is pretty low.
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And on the subject of language I thought to myself that it's pretty funny how I've watched enough episodes of this and Running Man to know what "individual battle" is in Korean
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Zythrst posted:Okay so, main match was great, the death match is still loving stupid, though its hard to say the wrong person won given Sujin's big error. I feel Yeonseung made a pretty big error in the meta game too by not taking Dongmin's offer. I mean you've been forced to come last enough times that I'd think you'd need to be making alliances not tearing them down, and Dongmin's alliance had been weakened a lot with Hweejong gone anyway. Shakugan posted:Dongmin is a great candidate to be the season 4 returnee. He's wicked smart, funny, and yet won't be targeted immediately because he's very loyal. Dongmin is reaching legendary status imo. Separately, it was crazy of Yeonsung to not take his offer. I mean, there were only two people being ruled out, why'd he have to choose one of them when he had a good offer not to? And I liked Yeonsung, but really? Standing up to Dongmin's "alliance" (does he even have one?) actually DOES make sense in a way, if you think you can draw a bigger counter power, but uhh... I don't think Yeonsung really is a social hub, or has any other friends in the game. Dongmin was offering friendship. I really like that Dongmin was protecting his team. The bomb weight thing to me seemed kind of lame from a production standpoint of trying too hard to "break" the game but the fact that Dongmin was the only one to realize it makes me think maybe it was a nice idea afterall. Anyway though, terrible to see Sunji leave as I thought she was basically a badass, and I do think she got screwed by the cards, but betting on the lower side of her card was such a blunder I can't disagree with her exit. Death match was wanting but main match was fantastic. It was exactly what this show needed after the lovely Veritas thing last week ended up fizzling out immediately. PS: Did Ahyoung eat all of Yeonsung's gold handouts? Random Stranger posted:I thought that team three's plan was going to be Dongmin would separate the bomb from the rest in the mine, then everyone would just pull all the other cubes out. I thought it would be awesome for someone to completely empty the mine of everything except the bombs.
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Fast Luck posted:Dongmin is reaching legendary status imo. Separately, it was crazy of Yeonsung to not take his offer. I mean, there were only two people being ruled out, why'd he have to choose one of them when he had a good offer not to? And I liked Yeonsung, but really? Standing up to Dongmin's "alliance" (does he even have one?) actually DOES make sense in a way, if you think you can draw a bigger counter power, but uhh... I don't think Yeonsung really is a social hub, or has any other friends in the game. Dongmin was offering friendship. It does make sense however to pick the one who has proved herself clueless for the death match. The alternative would have been to pick Poker Star™ and his protege who won the last death match, a matchup which we know now in hindsight he would have had no chance in hell of winning since it was poker again. 
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As much as Dongmin owns (like how he chose 50 in the final round to protect Ahyoung and Sujin's 49 choices in case it all went horribly wrong, what a champ) it was good the Doc stood up to him. His promise to help during the deathmatch was totally sincere but as it turned out the game did not allow for any help from the other players. Getting some garnets is nice but if that just sets Dongmin on a certain path to the finals those garnets go back to him anyway. Season 2 would have been a lot better if people had said no to Sangmin when he offered to help them which just meant he would eliminate them later rather then sooner. Mining game was absolutely amazing. The way the tension built up to that final moment made it seem scripted, it just could not have been better TV. edit: With the elimination of the garnets held by the deathmatch loser I wonder just how much will be left for the winner, I think it will be less then 50. CeeJee fucked around with this message at 09:54 on Nov 5, 2014 |
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CeeJee posted:edit: With the elimination of the garnets held by the deathmatch loser I wonder just how much will be left for the winner, I think it will be less then 50. I may have been wrong at first, but now it looks like they give them to someone for safe keeping, to be distributed out if you die. My guess is it's their workaround to stop garnets disappearing.
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Hat Thoughts posted:The final match will be played for 2 garnets. Kang Yongsuk's cold, hollow laughter is heard from the guest room through the whole episode
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Fast Luck posted:I really like that Dongmin was protecting his team. The bomb weight thing to me seemed kind of lame from a production standpoint of trying too hard to "break" the game but the fact that Dongmin was the only one to realize it makes me think maybe it was a nice idea afterall. Hyunmin figured it out too.
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Great episode. Restored my faith in the show a bit. Looks like poker player is getting a bit fed up of Hyunmin upstaging him.
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The players are the ones to put the cubes back into the mine, right? Even without separate weights, two teams could collaborate by one pulling out at least 3 bombs and then separating them out when placing them back into the mine.
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Mad Rancher posted:The players are the ones to put the cubes back into the mine, right? Even without separate weights, two teams could collaborate by one pulling out at least 3 bombs and then separating them out when placing them back into the mine. I don't think so. Did we even see who puts them back? Pretty sure that's the dealer's job anyway
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CHiRAL posted:I don't think so. Did we even see who puts them back? They didn't give us the details, but it looked like the dealers put the cubes back in and then shuffled them. I think the inside of the mine was just the flat tabletop to make sorting the bombs easier.
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That was a really great main match and renewed my excitement for Season 3. Dongmin is a fantastic player and he seems like a great guy to have on your side too, since he went to some fairly extraordinary lengths to protect his own when he could've gotten away with just not doing anything. Offering Yeonseung garnets to not pick his team is remarkable, he's always looking for a way to influence the game to his liking and I really dig that kind of player. He's kinda my favourite to win right now. speaking of, I really dunno about Yeonseung declining said offer. Maybe he felt he just had no chance surviving by facing off against one of the others, but making an enemy out of the one of the stronger and loyal players in the game and giving up potential garnets all for the sake of what seemed like a pride thing doesn't strike me as the smartest move and I will be really surprised if it doesn't bite him square in the rear end in future, Dongmin cannot be happy about that and that dude has a shitload to leverage to get him KO'ed. death match just upset me because that entire game was torpedo'ed on one minor mistake and it just made me sad. Such a middling note for Sujin to go out on but I didn't want Yeonseung to go out either. He doesn't seem like he'll win at all or produce any stellar Genius moments (the one he did have last time was bizarrely cut from the episode) and his decisions are often really questionable but he makes me smile when he's around, he just seems like a nice guy. I'm glad he's outliving the people I don't find as lively at any rate even if he generally plays worse. good episode, 8/10 the new season's starting to pick up the pace
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Random Stranger posted:They didn't give us the details, but it looked like the dealers put the cubes back in and then shuffled them. I think the inside of the mine was just the flat tabletop to make sorting the bombs easier. I don't think so and I'm not sure why everyone is assuming this. The inside of the mine seemed to be more like a flexible sack thing.
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I loved Sujin, but as soon as she made that mistake during the deathmatch, a klaxon should have gone off and a trapdoor should have opened up beneath her chair. Anyway, agreeing with other people that the -Min Twins are the only people making moves right now. But it wasn't until the end of episode 6, during his deathmatch with Gura, that Jinho started becoming a badass, right? Someone else can still step up. Maybe Ahyoung or Jongbeom.
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Ironic Twist posted:But it wasn't until the end of episode 6, during his deathmatch with Gura, that Jinho started becoming a badass, right? Someone else can still step up. Maybe Ahyoung or Jongbeom. Jinho had some moves earlier in season one that didn't pan out. I guess he didn't ascend to badass until later but he was well on his way.
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