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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:has anyone said wayland/gnutani ?
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eschaton posted:sun type 4 supremacy logind will hand out fds to input devices and modesetting devices to wayland compositors like gnome and also revoke access to them if the user changes virtual console (which will uh also be a thing that lives in user space somehow, but the plan for how exactly this will work has changed a few times) which is a good thing, because giving random user applications access to the keyboard is bad (keyloggers) but running the desktop environment as root is also bad, so having logind act as the gatekeeper is a pretty decent solution. the new linux graphics and service management stack that's emerging is just so much better designed than every single other os out there
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This reminds me of the guy who was emailing ubuntu-devel recently asking for a patch to the 20 year old xkeycaps program so he could rebind his sun keyboard.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:so you're saying gnome 3 drops support for any non-windows keyboard? No, I'm saying that that's the default, because that's 90% of the world. http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/tree/configure.ac#n507
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does anyone even still make non-windows keyboards aside from just putting a different logo on the windows/command/subpar key?
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eschaton posted:L1-A gave me all the feedback I needed an ss1 is a sun-4 aka sparc. full-system sun-4 emulation is still profitable enough to be commercial. simics is cool if you can get a license for it. if you just want to play with sunos, there is a free software emulator for sun-2 and sun-3 (68k) systems called "tme"
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Mr Dog posted:logind will hand out fds to input devices and modesetting devices to wayland compositors like gnome and also revoke access to them if the user changes virtual console (which will uh also be a thing that lives in user space somehow, but the plan for how exactly this will work has changed a few times) To answer this correctly, currently VT switching is collaborative. You open /dev/input to get access to evdev (input devices) and /dev/dri/card0 for kms (modesetting), and then use VT_SETMODE so that you know when you switch away and switch back. And when you switch away and switch back, you promise that you've stopped processing stuff from /dev/input. And of course you can get it wrong. In the logind world, when you ask logind to switch VTs, it switches. Full stop. It drops DRM master and revokes your evdev fd, making both of them useless. When the user switches back to your VT (and it will let you know when, not using UNIX signals), it will hand you new FDs at the same time. So, this explains how sessions are in userspace: there's a bunch of sessions with "session controllers" which all register with some central switching daemon, which can forcibly revoke you at any time. When you switch to another controller, it simply pulls you out and puts another central controller in. So instead of being collaborative, it's preemptive. Bugs like the XMir one can never happen, no matter how badly the session controller is written. The other interesting thing is that none of this relies on the kernel's VT system. You can run this entirely on one VT, with CONFIG_VTs disabled.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:every user only uses 10% of the features. which is to say, each user cares deeply about a different 10% subset of available features. that's funny, iOS users don't seem to have Stockholm Syndrome about apps minimizing to the notification area where they didn't belong in the first place CUNT AND PASTE fucked around with this message at 07:22 on Nov 6, 2014 |
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Mr Dog posted:the new linux graphics and service management stack that's emerging is just so much better designed than every single other os out there speaking of Stockholm Syndrome…
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Soricidus posted:it's literally true. it's the reason I stopped using ubuntu years ago, after they deliberately shipped broken video drivers because the alternative was either delaying the release slightly or leaving out some other feature that required the new broken beta drivers. if you're talking about what i think you're talking about then it was actually about plymouth, the truecolor splash screen thing that still doesn't and probably never will work with proprietary drivers
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pram posted:long term sucking
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rly good joke. sorry i missed it the 1st time. bravo  *standing o*
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it would be cool if u could game good on linux but i tried and got bad fps and also it looked bad like low settings when on windows i get uber fps and max settings (talking baout DOTA here)
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Smythe posted:it would be cool if u could game good on linux but i tried and got bad fps and also it looked bad like low settings when on windows i get uber fps and max settings (talking baout DOTA here) Dick Orifice Torn Apart
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Shinku ABOOKEN posted:Dead Of The Aids thats me!!
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ShadowHawk posted:This reminds me of the guy who was emailing ubuntu-devel recently asking for a patch to the 20 year old xkeycaps program so he could rebind his sun keyboard. please don't dox grey beard stymie
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http://www.bloodbathsoftworks.com/xylemon/xlennart.php
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lmio
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quote:Lennart Poettering
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hey if I were gonna install linux on a spare partition, just for laughs, which one should I use as of today?
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Silver Alicorn posted:hey if I were gonna install linux on a spare partition, just for laughs, which one should I use as of today? Install gentoo. Actually don't. Just do yourself a fabor and buy a mac.
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I already have a mac. I recently cleared off a drive so I could do a clean install of windows to troubleshoot something, so now I have a spare partition also I have installed gentoo in the past and used to be a fervent user of it but it's too much hassle nowadays (and bad)
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for the desktop? Fedora and Debian are decent server? CentOS or RHEL are literally the only correct choices (maybe SLES if you're a weirdo euro)
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Silver Alicorn posted:hey if I were gonna install linux on a spare partition, just for laughs, which one should I use as of today? arch because its the easiest way to get a clean and current gnome desktop up and running
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last time I tried arch I had a hell of a time getting the fonts to look presentable but hey I'll give it a go. been using centos and debian at work mostly
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computer is tools. updating arch often breaks tools, devs don't give a poo poo. janitoring for the sake of janitoring is not enlightening. use arch if your time is worthless
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OldAlias posted:computer is tools. updating arch often breaks tools, devs don't give a poo poo. janitoring for the sake of janitoring is not enlightening. use arch if your time is worthless seriously, there are plenty of ways to dick around and "learn" in a more usable distro. Or do development itself.
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OldAlias posted:computer is tools. updating arch often breaks tools, devs don't give a poo poo. janitoring for the sake of janitoring is not enlightening. use linux if your time is worthless
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OldAlias posted:computer is tools. updating arch often breaks tools, devs don't give a poo poo. janitoring for the sake of janitoring is not enlightening. use arch if your time is worthless I used Arch. This is 100% why I moved on. Don't use Arch.
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Maluco Marinero posted:I used Arch. This is 100% why I moved on. Don't use Arch.
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seriously though they'd hvae something decent if they'd just stop breaking poo poo constantly
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If you absolutely must use Linux because you're an idiot like me, it really depends on how much janitoring you want to do: Infrequent - Debian stable, Ubuntu LTS etc. Frequent - Debian testing, Ubuntu etc. Constant - Arch, Gentoo, Debian unstable I think I used SUSE once because it's the only one that ships KDE by default. That was a mistake.
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i run debian stable on my server and make sure to apt-get upgrade whenever anything that has "ssl" in it is updated
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ZShakespeare posted:If you absolutely must use Linux because you're an idiot like me, it really depends on how much janitoring you want to do: What of RHEL and Fedora? Or just run your own (or someone else's) bespoke buildroot installation and never update because you'd have to wade in there and compile everything over again.
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I don't know anything about those because every time I have been forced to use linux I had my choice and went with what I know (debian). Aside from that one time I went insane and spent a week setting up arch on a netbook (I was also insane when I thought that was a good idea).
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