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If you don't suck at driving you won't roll back at all either.
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A bit of rollback is kinda normal and should be expected, poo poo you people are harsh.
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Nov 10, 2014 06:34
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nsaP posted:A bit of rollback is kinda normal and should be expected, poo poo you people are harsh.
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Nov 10, 2014 07:08
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dissss posted:If you use the parking brake you won't roll back at all. It isn't that hard, and I really don't understand why it isn't the technique taught when you are learning to drive. It is, just not in your country 
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Nov 10, 2014 07:26
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dissss posted:If you use the parking brake you won't roll back at all. It isn't that hard, and I really don't understand why it isn't the technique taught when you are learning to drive. Automatic transmissions can roll back too but they don't test two-foot starts. It's just supporting driver incompetence, you should be able to hold your vehicle on a hill with a bit of clutch slipping. A vehicle too underpowered to do that is probably dangerously slow.
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Nov 10, 2014 07:39
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wayfinder posted:It is, just not in your country Actually it is in my country - I was adjusting for the US majority
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Nov 10, 2014 07:46
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dissss posted:If you use the parking brake you won't roll back at all. It isn't that hard, and I really don't understand why it isn't the technique taught when you are learning to drive. I was taught it from the beginning, but that still didn't keep me from getting the shakes from trying to start on a hill with someone right on my rear end when I was a new driver. It also didn't help that those are the sorts of people who will lean on the horn the second you stall it. Also keep in mind that not all cars have handbrakes that are conducive to that method. For example, my old tacoma required the correct combination of squeezing/twisting/pulling a T shaped handle out of the dash in a way that was quite awkward to do while working pedals and holding onto the wheel. TL;DR you can't expect everyone to be an expert and trusting someone not to roll back is about as smart as taking it on faith that someone to do what their turn signal is announcing. EightBit posted:you should be able to hold your vehicle on a hill with a bit of clutch slipping. Wait, you're not suggesting that people slip their clutch as an alternative to holding position on a hill with their brakes are you? dpidz0r fucked around with this message at 07:56 on Nov 10, 2014 |
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Nov 10, 2014 07:52
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CharlesM posted:I've seen this a lot at the state college with exchange students. Their license from overseas is valid I guess but they have an absolute lack of experience or comprehension of driving here. I admit I haven't been to a lot of foreign countries and I know some of them even have the nerve to drive on the opposite side of the road, but all of the cars in other countries still have 4 wheels and the turny thing in the cabin you roll around to direct the car right? I worry that if I drove in some foreign land it'd be like that one episode of Star Trek where Wesley didn't realize if you play on the grass they put you to death and there's just one obscure law I won't know that'll ruin everyone's day, but if I can pull into a parking spot in the USA I'd think I can manage the same feat in Azerbaijan.
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Nov 10, 2014 09:04
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I get the feeling you can just buy a license in China
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Nov 10, 2014 10:42
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CharlesM posted:I get the feeling you can just buy a license in China When I was in Thailand, I used to ask people how much of a bribe they paid to get their license and used that to decide if I would ride with them. Someone who only paid USD12 was a great driver. Someone who paid USD25 was an averagely bad driver. Someone who paid USD45 or more was actively dangerous.
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Nov 10, 2014 10:50
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dpidz0r posted:I was taught it from the beginning, but that still didn't keep me from getting the shakes from trying to start on a hill with someone right on my rear end when I was a new driver. It also didn't help that those are the sorts of people who will lean on the horn the second you stall it. Also keep in mind that not all cars have handbrakes that are conducive to that method. For example, my old tacoma required the correct combination of squeezing/twisting/pulling a T shaped handle out of the dash in a way that was quite awkward to do while working pedals and holding onto the wheel. Oh parking brakes on Tacoma's. Trying to use it to manage a hill start would be more dangerous than rolling back 2-3 inches. Also, yes, those of us in the mortal realm have bad days and sometimes roll back a little more than normal, or stall. When I was driving stick, either event was fairly rare, but it happened. More often was driving on icy/slippery roads and you slide back an inch or two before the tires bite and you start moving. Keep 2-3 feet back, or at least enough that anything other than horrible driving skills won't get you smacked.
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Nov 10, 2014 14:35
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I really didn't want to go off on a rant on manual drivers that roll back slightly, just the smarmy bumper sticker needing to alert the world of the fact. If you have the problem often enough that you need to warn everyone, it might be you with the issue.
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Nov 10, 2014 15:05
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Uthor posted:I really didn't want to go off on a rant on manual drivers that roll back slightly, just the smarmy bumper sticker needing to alert the world of the fact. If you have the problem often enough that you need to warn everyone, it might be you with the issue. It probably wasn't a warning though. It's just smug.gif like the "no fat chicks" stickers that hellaflush people think they're super clever for using. Everyone wants to feel superior over someone and announce to the world how hardcore they are.
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Nov 10, 2014 15:40
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dpidz0r posted:Wait, you're not suggesting that people slip their clutch as an alternative to holding position on a hill with their brakes are you? No, that you should be able to hold it while your right foot moves from the brake pedal to the throttle.
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Nov 10, 2014 16:05
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I need a bumper sticker announcing that my engine has so much power that dumping the clutch at idle won't stall the engine even at a 170 degree incline. Also who drives a car that down't have a brake line lock?
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Nov 10, 2014 16:13
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At the beginning I used the ebrake, now I am lazy and let out the clutch slowly enough that the RPM's dip and then I know I won't roll back. Doesn't everybody do that? 
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Nov 10, 2014 16:28
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Crotch Fruit posted:
OK, tell me that there is another exit somewhere, anywhere, in that mall that makes a left turn more realistic than that. Because, if it is a loving terrible design along with people being lazy/stupid, I find it almost impossible to believe that the inbreeding that could cause such a marriage of stupidity hasn't caused graduation rates in that area to be somewhere in the single digits. I do on the other hand, find it quite easy to believe that there is a dedicated exit, with lights and everything, just out of shot that people just can't be bothered to take the extra minute to get to.
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Nov 10, 2014 16:32
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Elephanthead posted:I need a bumper sticker announcing that my engine has so much power that dumping the clutch at idle won't stall the engine even at a 170 degree incline. Also who drives a car that down't have a brake line lock? People with FWD cars? ratbert90 posted:At the beginning I used the ebrake, now I am lazy and let out the clutch slowly enough that the RPM's dip and then I know I won't roll back. I do when the cross light turns yellow, so I don't rev my engine to high on the start and sound like an rear end. Isn't it not great for the clutch? The Door Frame fucked around with this message at 16:35 on Nov 10, 2014 |
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Nov 10, 2014 16:32
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ratbert90 posted:At the beginning I used the ebrake, now I am lazy and let out the clutch slowly enough that the RPM's dip and then I know I won't roll back. Only a little, I heel-toe so I can set the throttle and ease off the brakes as I let the clutch out. So there's a little extra slipping but I consider it reasonable wear. I never even considered using the hand brake until I read about it on this forum. I was taught the way I do it and it always worked fine.  I'd still probably poo poo myself if I tried to drive a manual in Seattle or San Francisco.
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Nov 10, 2014 16:34
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Uthor posted:I'm sure a be-stickered Kia Soul can avoid hitting anyone on the flat city streets of Chi-town. Beyond all the other stuff, I drive a manual Kia Soul. They have hill hold. The car literally will not roll back for about three seconds after releasing the brake. It's about the most unfuckupable manual I've ever driven, actually. I've taught a few friends to drive stick and they seem to have a much easier time with the Soul versus my E46. First gear is so low you can practically dump the clutch at idle and not stall.
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Nov 10, 2014 17:07
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Kwik posted:OK, tell me that there is another exit somewhere, anywhere, in that mall that makes a left turn more realistic than that. Because, if it is a loving terrible design along with people being lazy/stupid, I find it almost impossible to believe that the inbreeding that could cause such a marriage of stupidity hasn't caused graduation rates in that area to be somewhere in the single digits. I think you're misunderstanding the purpose of that design - they're explicitly trying to make you not make a left turn out of that lot, and I'd wager there's a "NO LEFT TURNS" sign for traffic leaving the parking lot.
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Nov 10, 2014 17:24
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xzzy posted:I'd still probably poo poo myself if I tried to drive a manual in Seattle or San Francisco. Manual Seattle driver here (RWD Volvo). The problem is is that people constantly roll right up onto you on the hills, so its a dance between the clutch and gas, and holding the e brake down on the more steeper hills. Add to the fact that the roads are wet, so tires can slip more easily. I know some people who intentionally roll their cars back a tad at the beginning of a hill. Usually the person behind sees the car roll back and they give you a little more space.
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Nov 10, 2014 17:36
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Solar Coaster posted:I know some people who intentionally roll their cars back a tad at the beginning of a hill. Usually the person behind sees the car roll back and they give you a little more space.
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Nov 10, 2014 18:40
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Solar Coaster posted:I know some people who intentionally roll their cars back a tad at the beginning of a hill. Usually the person behind sees the car roll back and they give you a little more space. I do this all the time here, we have some pretty steep grades and people love to get right up your rear end in the tiny crowded downtown streets. A tiny roll (like a few cm, just enough to be seen) after coming to a stop on the real bad hills *usually* results in people giving more than an inch off my bumper. Then again these hills are steep enough that my girlfriend's auto rolls a bit too when you let off the brakes.
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Nov 10, 2014 19:10
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Kwik posted:OK, tell me that there is another exit somewhere, anywhere, in that mall that makes a left turn more realistic than that. Because, if it is a loving terrible design along with people being lazy/stupid, I find it almost impossible to believe that the inbreeding that could cause such a marriage of stupidity hasn't caused graduation rates in that area to be somewhere in the single digits. There is indeed a normal intersection with a light about a thousand feet north of that driveway; like IOwnCalculus said, that particular entrance is explicitly designed to prohibit left turns from the mall property, and making a left as indicated in that picture would technically be illegal. While there doesn't appear to be a "No Left Turn" sign for the exit, there is a "No Right Turn" sign for southbound traffic at that median break that would also prohibit U-turns, which is technically what that maneuver would be (and from the rightmost lane, to boot). It's also pretty funny that they had to build a traffic signal at that intersection (complete with those awesome eternal green lights for northbound traffic) presumably because idiots were blocking traffic and/or getting themselves splattered by southbound vehicles at the old uncontrolled intersection while trying to turn left into that driveway, instead of driving a little further and using the dedicated turn lane with a protected left at the light. 
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Nov 11, 2014 00:27
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To get this thread a little closer to its roots "Customer reports 4x4 does not feel like it is engaging properly"  Someone got hosed by a seller.
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Nov 11, 2014 00:30
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Crotch Fruit posted:It's like they designed it to fail. . . One easy solution to that would be to put up a big curb the whole length of the left turn lane. of course, jackasses in SUVs would simply drive over the curb I do like how the east parking lot entrance has the island to attempt to prevent people from turning left there but I'm willing to bet people are still determined enough to just hook it around there. That's like the exit from my parents' church. Actually worse because I see you are cutting across northbound traffic turning left in the mall.  They used to have a "No Left Turn" sign, but took it down. I still make lefts there as cross traffic is never too bad and it's better than navigating that lovely lot after church lets out, especially if it's been snowing or raining and people start ignoring the painted lines.
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Nov 11, 2014 00:40
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Got cut off today by some smug idiot. She was at the red X when I was at the green dot, and she shot out in front of me. I slammed on my brakes and laid on my horn, and all she did was smile and wave   I can only assume that she thought I was supposed to stop for some reason, and that she had the right of way. Or she's an rear end in a top hat, whichever. edit: breaks are not brakes AncientTV fucked around with this message at 04:16 on Nov 11, 2014 |
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Nov 11, 2014 04:10
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Is that intersection only controlled by stop signs? Because, that's kind of messed up.
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Nov 11, 2014 04:15
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It is, it's pretty common in my city. They're awful if you're on one of the side roads and I'm surprised I don't see more wrecks around them.
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Nov 11, 2014 04:17
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AncientTV posted:It is, it's pretty common in my city. They're awful if you're on one of the side roads and I'm surprised I don't see more wrecks around them. I'm sure once someone kicks the bucket there they'll put up a stop light in their honor.
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Nov 11, 2014 04:21
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PaganGoatPants posted:I'm sure once someone kicks the bucket there they'll put up a stop light in their honor. This one's even worse. I've personally witnessed three accidents and dozens of near misses here: https://www.google.com/maps/place/1...5381270613746d7
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Nov 11, 2014 04:25
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AncientTV posted:This one's even worse. I've personally witnessed three accidents and dozens of near misses here: That's loving terrible. The median(s) just serves to make the intersection more confusing. The way this is set up, a left from the strip mall puts you through four lanes of eastbound traffic before you make it to your westbound lane. (Which is a dedicated thru lane no less.) Good luck if you want to make it straight across to Bartram. It's like somebody played Frogger and thought the point was to murder the frog... Why wouldn't they just do a middle lane with yellow outer solid/inner dashed lines? It would at least give you the opportunity to travel through one direction of traffic and wait for a spot to open up in the other. Oh I know why. Merging doesn't matter when you're Twittering your FourSquare to Pintrest. We'd manage to
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Nov 11, 2014 05:05
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This area expanded really quickly over the last decade or so, and it seems instead of intelligently redesigning the major intersections, the planners just kept piling poo poo on the old roads. What's worse is that it's a rich-ish area, so you've got these intersections swarming with high schoolers in brodozers and daddy's BMW.
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Nov 11, 2014 05:17
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A guy in a Jeep almost wiped out our Delta because he was trying to get a video of it as we went past.
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Nov 11, 2014 06:25
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AncientTV posted:Got cut off today by some smug idiot. She was at the red X when I was at the green dot, and she shot out in front of me. I slammed on my brakes and laid on my horn, and all she did was smile and wave This happens to me a lot in my neighborhood. We have a big mix of 4 way and 2 way stops that are pretty randomly placed. Seems like if someone unfamiliar with the area is driving around looking for a parking spot they will assume that everyone has a 4 way because the last however many intersections had them and do a standard California stop when they see you coming.
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Nov 11, 2014 06:26
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SpannerX posted:I haven't read through 190 pages (too many threads to keep track of), but man, Canada's Worst Driver makes me want to take public transport everywhere. God there are some bad drivers on that show. Jonny 290 posted:I think a lot of times you just remind them to look at their speedo and they aren't going as fast as they think they want to. More stupidity than malice. CannonFodder fucked around with this message at 08:56 on Nov 11, 2014 |
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Nov 11, 2014 08:31
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New post to attach imagePT6A posted:I think I posted this in the thread a few months ago, but I had the same car pass me no less than 4 times in 90 minutes while I was on cruise control the entire time. I still have no idea what the gently caress was wrong with them. I had the weirdest thing happen to me once in Nevada. I was heading east on I-80, and the truck is governed to 68 while the speed limit is 75. A blue Prius kept passing me, and then I finally caught up to him and found out what he was doing. He was stopping at every exit and taking a picture of the exit sign, and then hopping back on the highway, getting up to 80 and passing me (in a loving Prius) and then stopping at the next exit 6 miles down the road for another picture. loving bizarre. Attached is a lovely picture of the fucker.
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Nov 11, 2014 08:52
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CannonFodder posted:New post to attach image I believe you've just spotted Lycos's street view car.
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CannonFodder posted:When driving a big truck, I know it's malice. They will not stand the insult of being passed by a big rig. Not always, sometimes it's fear. Big rigs are kind of unpredictable and if you're in a small car, the instinct is give them a wide berth in case they don't see you. Well, even in my giant van, I almost got merged into on the highway by an rear end in a top hat with a giant flatbed semi back when I still had my learner's permit, I had to slam on the brakes and horn and try not to crash into the wall because there was no shoulder. Now no matter what vehicle I'm in, I'm at least 2 car lengths ahead or behind a truck, even if I'm in a different lane Maybe it's just another case of Chicago drivers being actively dangerous to be on the road with, but yeah, driving next to trucks on the highway gives me the willies
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