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arak0r posted:Not sure where you could purchase this, but I personally LOVE this recording. I am biased though, Seiji Ozawa is the poo poo. I think this might be it? Same composer, at least.
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Missing Kathleen Battle, she might be a nutter but she can (could) sing. Still, might be worth a shot, it does have the right conductor and orchestra.
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PRADA SLUT posted:What's the best recording/performance of the Carmina Burana? I'm looking for a copy. I'm partial to the Boston Camerata. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UbbwUtt3fY
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Apologies (sorry not sorry) for self-promotion, but I thought this thread might have some interest in this video my group just released: 2nd mvmt of Ravel's String Quartet arranged for three guitars: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgD2vS7YpEo Sure, arrangements are kind of tasteless, and guitar arrangements even more so, but this thing is goddamn FUN to play, and I think it sounds pretty drat good. It's a creative arrangement that our friend made, and we fleshed it out with some wacky guitar techniques. If you don't know the original, go listen to every recording of the whole quartet. It's a loving masterpiece.
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Nov 13, 2014 18:58
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Hi! I know practically nothing about classical music, but enjoy listening to it in the car and whatnot. I've been studying Tolstoy this semester and read The Kreutzer Sonata, a novella about a lunatic that kills his wife. He dissolves into jealous rage after his wife performs Beethoven's piece with a famous violinist. I could not consider my reading complete without hearing Beethoven's Sonata, so I gave it a listen (focusing on the first part, which Tolstoy's protagonist denigrates). While listening I heard a similarity to the finale of Swan Lake. Since I lack the language to describe what I hear and don't want to sound it out to my colleagues ("DUUM-duh-duh-duh-duh DUH-duh-DUH"), I wondered if my fellow goons could set their teeming grey matter upon my question. Is there a similarity here, or is it just that violins are playing? Beethoven's Kreutzer Sonata: At 4:00 and 9:00 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RSYIN8MYVU Tchaikovsky's Swan Lake: One of the riffs throughout, but especially at 1:45 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JI7AsZGnyi4 Knowing as little as I do, these two phrases could have as much to do with each other as Faulkner and Churchill both using the word "bread." But if I could learn a term to describe what I'm hearing (or anything else for that matter), it would make me feel all gooey inside.
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I can hear what you mean, but not exactly. Beethoven had huge influence on romanticism, especially in the later era with mixing minor and major keys at will and dissolving the calssisict structures in music. But I don't hear a direct correlation between these two parts. The theme and melody are different I feel. Maybe some goon with more knowledge has something to add?
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Nov 19, 2014 02:58
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Well let's just take a look at the scores. I highlighted the motifs I assume you meant and they are in fact quite similar. Beethoven  Tchaikovsky  The Beethoven is to be played at approximately twice the speed so the rhythmical structure is exactly the same. In each motif, the melody line begins with the highest note, drops then and goes up to the end again. So yes, there is a similarity, but I'm pretty sure that's only coincidence, not inspiration or quotation. Honj Steak fucked around with this message at 03:31 on Nov 19, 2014 |
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theycallmeuncas posted:Hi! I know practically nothing about classical music, but enjoy listening to it in the car and whatnot. Also, check out Janacek's String Quartet No. 1, "the Kreutzer Sonata," based upon the Tolstoy story, based upon the Beethoven violin sonata...
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firebad57 posted:Apologies (sorry not sorry) for self-promotion, but I thought this thread might have some interest in this video my group just released: This is pretty rad stuff. Didn't you start a classical guitar thread a couple of years ago? did that die or what
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david crosby posted:This is pretty rad stuff. Didn't you start a classical guitar thread a couple of years ago? did that die or what Thank you. I did, and it did. That's okay. I was surprised it lasted as long as it did. I'd be happy to participate in another, though my classical guitar career no longer affords me the time to make it happen, which is a pretty great thing. To those who are wondering - it turns out that you can make a living as a classical musician in the most expensive city in the US (if you bust your loving rear end).
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Nov 20, 2014 22:14
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Does anyone happen to know what piece of music is playing in the revelation scene in the Extras episode with Kate Winslet? You can see the scene here: http://youtu.be/mhgGwH5haR8 It's dubbed in German but the music is the same.
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firebad57 posted:Thank you. I did, and it did. That's okay. I was surprised it lasted as long as it did. I'd be happy to participate in another, though my classical guitar career no longer affords me the time to make it happen, which is a pretty great thing. I'm pretty amazed to see other goons playing classical guitar professionally. I'm actually preparing to make a living with the guitar, too, here at a German Musikhochschule in Weimar. Funnily, I also recently did some recordings with the European pendant of Guitar Salon.  The transcription problem is only a problem of choosing the wrong pieces and writing badly and honestly a lot of guitarists don't do it very well. Yours, however, is absolutely awesome. There is not that much literature for three guitars, so any good addition to the repertoire is worth a lot! uXs posted:Does anyone happen to know what piece of music is playing in the revelation scene in the Extras episode with Kate Winslet? You can see the scene here: http://youtu.be/mhgGwH5haR8  Deutsches Kate Winslet ForumI think it's just a part of the movie score, sounds a lot like film music to me.
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Honj Steak posted:
Nah, it's a classical piece. I think I read the answer on YouTube once, but it was another copy of that video that I think has been deleted, probably for copyright reasons. (And it's not Darude Sandstorm.)
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Nov 21, 2014 15:18
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It's Miserere mei, Deus by Allegri.
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Excellent, thanks. Now to hunt down a good recording  edit: or several 
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Nov 21, 2014 16:22
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I like this one by A sei voci, great performance and great recording.
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Nov 21, 2014 18:10
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There's surprisingly few good performances of Bach's Double Violin Concerto on Youtube. This is about the only one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yjfcnrc7J5s
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This thread is too dead. I'll just post something I like. And it fits the season! Here's a bunch of students performing part 1 and 3 of Bachs christmas oratorio in a living room. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wi0ekhf6_J0
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I just took delivery of this - Brahms: Sextet In B-Flat Major, featuring (amongst other great players) Pablo Casals. The sextet was used in the film 'Led Amants' by Louis Malle, and someone has linked this version to it. And yes, that's glorious mono you're hearing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgSJDuyrvWI
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Josh Lyman posted:There's surprisingly few good performances of Bach's Double Violin Concerto on Youtube. This is about the only one: Pfft: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST_IVCiF764 And also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd1SDbQbHvM
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I don't get Bach, is his music supposed to convey any emotion? I haven't listened to too much of his stuff (or much of the music from the baroque period at all) so am not really equipped to comment. Compositionally I see how his music is genius, but emotionally it feels to me as plain as white bread.
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krampster2 posted:I don't get Bach, is his music supposed to convey any emotion? I haven't listened to too much of his stuff (or much of the music from the baroque period at all) so am not really equipped to comment. Compositionally I see how his music is genius, but emotionally it feels to me as plain as white bread. Huge  and without doubt the most discussed topic of all I encounter as a classical musician.For many musicians, Bach is the ultimate composer both "technically" and emotionally but it's certainly hard to "get" from a solely modern or romantic perspective. For me personally Bach composed music that sometimes literally leaves me weeping in awe for hours, which no other composer has been able to induce so far.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgA3QHthLQU (cut into 6 parts) Even if sometimes with some questionable historical analysis this documentary features some of the best Bach interpreters and gives some amazing insight about the man and his music from J. E. Gardiner himself. Honj Steak fucked around with this message at 01:10 on Feb 15, 2015 |
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Honj Steak posted:Huge I guess I'm just not conditioned to listen to his music. I mostly just listen to dramatic romantic period stuff so when I hear baroque music it often sounds to me like it belongs in a hotel lobby or maybe an elevator. Then again I thought the same about Jazz, until I actually started to listen to and get into it. Thanks for the link, I'll give it a watch.
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krampster2 posted:I guess I'm just not conditioned to listen to his music. I mostly just listen to dramatic romantic period stuff so when I hear baroque music it often sounds to me like it belongs in a hotel lobby or maybe an elevator. Then again I thought the same about Jazz, until I actually started to listen to and get into it. Bizarrely, I feel the same way about the "dramatic" romantic music, while solo Baroque works like the cello, lute, or violin suites or Scarlatti keyboard sonatas move me to tears. In the Romantic music, there's SO much drama and emotion, it seems overwrought in a way that makes the whole thing featureless and boring. If every moment is a climax, then none is. Whereas in Bach's solo instrumental suites, it's almost the opposite, in a way. The basic, limited materials really foreground the craft and the simple beauty of music to me. My 2p. In fairness, I'm a professional classical guitarist, so my preferences are pretty expected and predictable. If you are looking for a way to get into Bach, you could do worse than the Glenn Gould Goldberg variations (either one, though i would go '55 first).
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firebad57 posted:Bizarrely, I feel the same way about the "dramatic" romantic music, while solo Baroque works like the cello, lute, or violin suites or Scarlatti keyboard sonatas move me to tears. Good points. I think a big factor in what draws me to such dramatic Romantic music is that I'm very new to classical music. Loud and intense music I find easier to like, it's more straight forward and comprehensible to me. Although slowly I am trying to explore music more subtle.
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Also something to bear in mind with Bach is that for the longest time, and even still nowadays, his music was always played in the most clinical, bland fashion you could imagine. No dynamics, no tempo changes, nothing. Romantic era stuff is definately what I'd consider "easier" to listen to over baroque (or more precisely contrapunctual) music. Not to say it's less advanced or whatever, but it intentionally makes its themes much more apparent, like romanticism in general. Bach also had a huge range of styles. Compare this to the WTC no.1 prelude for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJdTsDUuuFk
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megalodong posted:Also something to bear in mind with Bach is that for the longest time, and even still nowadays, his music was always played in the most clinical, bland fashion you could imagine. No dynamics, no tempo changes, nothing. Not just this, but it was and usually still is played on instruments that it wasn't written for, or on more modern versions of those instruments, which is also true of most Baroque composers. Bach on period instuments by an ensemble devoted to it is a totally different beast than Bach on more modern instruments.
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krampster2 posted:I don't get Bach, is his music supposed to convey any emotion? I haven't listened to too much of his stuff (or much of the music from the baroque period at all) so am not really equipped to comment. Compositionally I see how his music is genius, but emotionally it feels to me as plain as white bread. :´(
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If anyone in the Baroque period conveyed emotion in their compositions, it was Bach's counterpart Handel, most notably his work Messiah. But I think any of Bach's choral works are as good, specifically the lauded Mass in B minor (I prefer Gardiner's version). Speaking of conductors, the more experienced people in the thread know about Carlos Kleiber, so for the people who are beginning, please check out the few but quality work he's done. His Beethoven's 5th is considered one of the best along with his Brahms 4th. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKcAAA1O2sc
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Yeah this is literally the most moving music ever written. I've never heard the argument that Bach is like elevator music or passionless, that seems 2 me like an extremely weird and hot take.
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I challenge anyone to listen to a good performance of Bach's St. John Passion and not feel their hair stand on end. It opens with bars and bars of orchestral buildup that explode into a full chorus, wrapping around itself with expressions of longing and devotion. Seriously amazing stuff. I'm not religious but you can absolutely feel the angst and desire in that piece.
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This has been bugging me for a while, and I'm worried I already know the answer but... Is there any trick to using Google Music All Access to discover new classical recordings without having to dredge through hundreds of these: So far, the best I've found is to research by orchestra as well as composer, but that requires some prior knowledge of what you're looking for. I guess between the London, Berlin and Vienna orchestras, you can find just about any orchestral recording but that's still just the tip of the iceberg.
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If you like John Adams' more rambunctious orchestral pieces, you owe it to yourself to check out this half-hour of music by Michael Gordon: "Dystopia" (the video portion is marginally interesting). https://vimeo.com/channels/160200/107016422 Doesn't quite stick the landing... It's no "City Noir" ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6137doeimU ), but still worth your time if you're into this sort of stuff. And in the same "orchestral cityscapes" vein, here is Aaron Copland's Music for a Great City: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfJx-gScGPs Mahler fucked around with this message at 21:32 on Feb 23, 2015 |
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Silvain posted:If anyone in the Baroque period conveyed emotion in their compositions, it was Bach's counterpart Handel, most notably his work Messiah. But I think any of Bach's choral works are as good, specifically the lauded Mass in B minor (I prefer Gardiner's version). I think Rameau also covers this in his ballet works. Also yeah, Kleiber has conducted the best Die Feldermaus. Wyw fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Feb 25, 2015 |
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The issue with Bach and emotions is that term emotions is culturally loaded. Bach's music is exploring emotion in a pre-19th century sense in that it is after particular Affects. While emotion in the 19th century means things that we can relate easily with today the notion of creating singular or juxtaposed affects is a bit harder to explain or maybe relate to. I'm of course quite biased, as I am obsessed with Bach, but I find his music to be the most beautiful music imaginable. Not in the way that Ravel or Faure's music is beautiful but in a type of aww inspiring way. For me, Bach's music is emotional in the way a waterfall or a mountain range or a portrait of the galaxy can be emotional. In that sense it is more transcendental. When I play Bach, at the keyboard or on violin or even when just singing along to a cantata, I find myself moved to these laughing/teary-eyed outbursts of pure amazement and joy. I can't really describe it but it is the most overwhelming sense of pure euphoria. The only things that have ever compared are in moments of Brahms and Mahler and these are fleeting at best. Edit: Musical Examples: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fSjuxzEol8 (the first chorus) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIl8u8Xpu7o (bonus for double G on his weird piano/harpsichord) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzFoZftMcU4 (skip to around 5:45 for the face melt) BWV fucked around with this message at 00:03 on Feb 26, 2015 |
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BWV posted:The issue with Bach and emotions is that term emotions is culturally loaded. Bach's music is exploring emotion in a pre-19th century sense in that it is after particular Affects. While emotion in the 19th century means things that we can relate easily with today the notion of creating singular or juxtaposed affects is a bit harder to explain or maybe relate to. holy poo poo lol
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BWV posted:The issue with Bach and emotions is that term emotions is culturally loaded. Bach's music is exploring emotion in a pre-19th century sense in that it is after particular Affects. While emotion in the 19th century means things that we can relate easily with today the notion of creating singular or juxtaposed affects is a bit harder to explain or maybe relate to.
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Cingulate posted:I think I get what you're saying to some extent - but it seems as if you're exclusively considering (and posting links to) a restricted set of what Bach has to offer. I've posted Mache dich, mein Herze, rein from the Passion of St. Matthew before. I don't think this music is somehow too cerebral to be immediately relatable to on an emotional level. (Surely they're also awe-inspiring and cerebral.) I agree with you completely. I just posted those because they were what I was listening to a lot lately. Had it been last week I would've posted the choral preludes, some fugues from the WTC, and some ricercares from the offering. All Bach is good Bach.
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I think noobs struggle to find the emotion in baroque music because they are used to 'classical' music being romantic, it kinda takes a while to shift your expectations of what can define... western art music? The rhythm and pace of baroque is pretty relentless at the tension is created from the apex which usually comes towards the end of the piece rather than having constant tension and resolution throughout. I agree with the poster a few posts above who doesnt find romantic music interesting. It always seems gaudy, on-the-nose and obvious to me. Baroque and classical are where its at. Although my main interest is beethoven and some people would argue that he can get romantic times, but I disagree completely. also I think that Handal is just as good as Bach. his recorder sonatas and gigues freaking own.
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opus111 posted:I think noobs struggle to find the emotion in baroque music because they are used to 'classical' music being romantic, it kinda takes a while to shift your expectations of what can define... western art music? The rhythm and pace of baroque is pretty relentless at the tension is created from the apex which usually comes towards the end of the piece rather than having constant tension and resolution throughout. Also, at first I was really excited when I read "Handal" and thought, hey, what interesting composer whose name I've never heard but who is said to be as good as literally the best composer ever could that be? Cingulate fucked around with this message at 02:54 on Mar 1, 2015 |
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