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Minus Pants posted:What's the best way to learn to sail if you don't know anyone already into it? I've taken a 1 hour crash-course and read some books, but I'm not sure where to go from here. ASA 101/103? Private lessons? Any suggestions for where to take them? I'm in Chicago, but it would be nice to get something in this winter (obviously somewhere warmer). Join Sail Chicago (https://www.sailchicago.org). I've been a member for a couple years now, and it's a great way to learn and have cheap access to boats. I didn't know jack about sailing when I joined and I just got certified as a skipper at the end of this summer.
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SuperDucky posted:In Chicago, give the match racing center a call. Man_of_Teflon posted:Join Sail Chicago (https://www.sailchicago.org). Thanks! I'll check them out.
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Ola posted:Lovely! The Baltic sea is quite brackish, isn't it? At least I know shipwrecks are very well preserved there
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Nov 20, 2014 23:10
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 I have a 15' fiberglass canoe I got for $200. I use it to go fishing with my girlfriend.  Asshole Bicycle fucked around with this message at 05:39 on Nov 21, 2014 |
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Nov 21, 2014 05:32
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drat, those boats are huge.
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Nov 21, 2014 06:30
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So are those pics, you should really [timg] them instead!
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Nov 22, 2014 09:15
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Don't [timg], add the letter 'l' before the final dot. e.g. http://i.imgur.com/adFqjF3.jpg becomes http://i.imgur.com/adFqjF3l.jpg Like so: 
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I met a guy named Eric Sponberg at a book fair recently; his wife is an author and he designs sailboats and powered yachts for a living. Unfortunately he's a much better boat architect than webpage architect, so the page is a little bit of a mess, but it's still incredibly fascinating. He has long writeups for each boat that he's designed, including blueprints, explanations of why he made each design decision the way he did, photos of the construction, and the like. There's another section of his page called "Forensic Naval Architecture," where he talks about his experience as an expert witness in nautical lawsuits. http://www.sponbergyachtdesign.com/
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Nov 23, 2014 16:09
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Yay, new boat thread. If you remember me posting (and complaining) about my old boat in the old thread, I've replaced it with a nicer one. Same sort of size and vintage, but in much better shape. She also has a more desirable semi-displacement hull and a newer, bigger engine. I have various small projects I can post more about in the spring, for now she's all tarped up and braced for winter.
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Nov 24, 2014 13:37
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That's a beautiful cabin cruiser. I'm guessing you use it for multi-day trips during the summer? How many does it sleep, and does it have a galley & refrigerator and all?
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Nov 24, 2014 18:38
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Kenshin posted:That's a beautiful cabin cruiser. I'm guessing you use it for multi-day trips during the summer? Yeah, it's a classic Norwegian holiday boat. It's got all the amenities you can reasonably expect from such a small (24 ft) boat: hot and cold water, electric toilet, an outdoor shower, a two-burner alcohol stove, diesel heater. No fridge, but an ice box. It keeps cool for about 3 days when I fill it with ice. The interior converts into a large double bed, while the backrests can lift up and attach to the roof with straps to make two additional small beds for children. Cramped but cozy. 
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Nov 25, 2014 12:44
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You guys like boats? I love boats! Especially commercial shipping. My office overlooks the Chicago River, one of the only waterways connecting the great lakes with the Mississippi River. When I'm not busy doing my job, I like to take pictures of barges as they go past (I'm also fascinated by the draw bridges when they open for the sailboat migrations). I run http://chicagoriverbargetraffic.tumblr.com/ . Some of my favorites:  The sailboats are waiting for the Roosevelt St. Bridge to open. They're heading inland for the winter. The barge is almost certainly taking dirt to the construction site where they're expanding the Chicago Riverwalk.  Tug pushing three wooden "houses" into town for the Chicago Fire Festival. It was a bit of a boondoggle, as they let the houses sit out in the rain before they tried burning them down.  A few days later, going back downriver. A coworker commented, "I heard there were spectacular technical difficulties."  Empty barge heading downriver. Again, almost certainly related to the riverwalk construction project.  It's adorable! 
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Nov 25, 2014 16:56
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I love the photos! I wish I had photos of when my great grand mother lived in her apartment on Staten Island. You could see all the ships coming in and out of the harbor. Just curious to the people who spend time on the ocean. What is the "ideal" sized sail boat for living and being on the ocean? One of my end goals is to buy a sail boat after I retire and just spend the rest of my life putting around the Caribbean.
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BrokenKnucklez posted:Just curious to the people who spend time on the ocean. What is the "ideal" sized sail boat for living and being on the ocean? One of my end goals is to buy a sail boat after I retire and just spend the rest of my life putting around the Caribbean. My plan is similar but I'm planning to circumnavigate as well and often have multiple guests on board for several weeks at a time, so I'll be going for a 38-50' catamaran. Kenshin fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Nov 25, 2014 |
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Nov 25, 2014 17:36
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Most likely at that time in my life it would just be me, the wife, maybe a cat? Maybe an odd guest or two. I dont think I have any desire to head from north america to europe, but it would be nice to have something I can tool up and down the coast of north and south america if I felt like it.
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My dream is to get a 40-ish foot cruising catamaran and just go on a bunch of adventures. I like the idea of the catamaran because of all the space they can have, the speed for the amount of space, and the fact they can go in shallower water which would be dope for island hopping. I know it will be expensive as hell, but I finally got a really good job, so who knows, maybe in 5 years... If not that, I would really like a Baba 30, I've never been in one but I like the design/interior, and they seem to get legendary reviews. Baba 30 with tanbark sails... sorry for posting pornography  Oh yeah... I don't really have any sailing experience. Do you just read books or do you need to go to a school? Do you need to be certified for certain boat sizes and types and what not?
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Nov 25, 2014 19:48
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EAB posted:Oh yeah... I don't really have any sailing experience. Do you just read books or do you need to go to a school? Do you need to be certified for certain boat sizes and types and what not? If you ever want to rent/charter sailboats though they'll require some certifications. Your basic day-sailing certs are ASA 101 and 103. 104 is for multi-day chartering trips (where you are captain of the boat), and 114 is lots of specific stuff on catamarans. I'd highly recommend at least doing those four. They are all on-the-water classes that also have written exams and books to study. Even if you just want your own boat it's probably a good idea to do classes. That said there is the (relatively) famous experience of the couple who circumnavigated on "Bumfuzzle", a ~40ft catamaran, back in the mid 2000s, who took the first day of their ASA 101 class, decided they didn't like taking classes, and then just went sailing. They made it, though as I read through their blog even near the end of their trip around the world 2-handing their boat they were still doing things that made me facepalm because I'd learned those things in my classes and they didn't do them while sailing around the world. Kenshin fucked around with this message at 19:54 on Nov 25, 2014 |
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Nov 25, 2014 19:51
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Since this is the nautical insanity thread, this has always boggled my mind: I can't imagine how it ever stops or turns corners...
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Kenshin posted:Not from a legal standpoint for private boats (aside from boating licenses in some places, the Washington State one is basically passing a simple online test and also having a driver's license and they send you a boating permit card). Man, some of these courses for the ASA 101/103/104 look like awesome vacations in themselves.
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Nov 25, 2014 20:22
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Finally got the replacement part for my barometric damper Now if it'd just stop loving raining so I can bore a huge hole in my roof
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EAB posted:Man, some of these courses for the ASA 101/103/104 look like awesome vacations in themselves. They are. I got my ASA 104 and 114 at the same time this past May doing a week-long sailing trip in the Sea of Cortez, out of La Paz, Mexico, ending up near Loretto, Mexico. It was one of the best trips of my life. A few of the people on the trip were getting their 103 and 104. It was just 5 students (myself, two couples in their 40s) our instructor (the owner of Puget Sound Sailing Institute, Mike Rice who is also on the Board of Standards for the ASA), and the amazing elderly couple who owned the catamaran, a beautiful 44 footer. EDIT: here's a shot from the trip when I climbed up a ridge on an uninhabited desert island:  We'd anchored in the bay to the right (out of frame, across the salt flat) and all these other boats had anchored in this bay. We made the correct choice because the wind was howling all night and we were in the bay protected from the wind and waves, all these boats you see in the picture got tossed around pretty bad. Kenshin fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Nov 25, 2014 |
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Nov 25, 2014 21:54
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BrokenKnucklez posted:Just curious to the people who spend time on the ocean. What is the "ideal" sized sail boat for living and being on the ocean? One of my end goals is to buy a sail boat after I retire and just spend the rest of my life putting around the Caribbean. It is not the size, but the design, and indeed the smaller the boat the easier it is. Boats also get exponentially more expensive to moor once you cross 30'. Can you singlehand it? Are the lines lead aft, or to the mast? What is the AVS rating? How is stowage, both for gear and rations? Is the layout appropriate for changing watches? How much water does the cockpit ship? Are the decks wide enough for comfort? http://bluewaterboats.org/ lists many a gorgeous vessel capable of a cruise lasting years. Many of them were limited production, and are still commanding a premium after nearly fifty years. Myself, one day I fully intend to live and circumnavigate on a Nor'Sea 27, one of the most capable, comfortable, and seaworthy pocket cruisers ever built:
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Not only moorage but also maintenance go up exponentially with size; rigging and hardware for a 30 foot boat will be a tenth the cost of the same on a 60 foot boat. If you want to have family or guests aboard a center cockpit layout gives some private space at the stern which is also the most comfortable area to ride in weather. I think I would be really happy with a 35' Catamaran but I am still getting used to the aesthetics. Living in the Northwest it is really nice to have a pilothouse design too, the first few hours of sitting out in the drizzle at the helm are invigorating but the next 500 would be torturous. right now some of my favorite designs are: Fisher 25  Lord Nelson Victory Tug  and a bunch of Michael Kasten's Designs, like this one 
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I would think that just 2 people any thing under 30' would be more than adequate. But fresh water capacity and storage would be my bigger concern.
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Yeah, a large chunk of catamaran designs have the cockpit open or with a limited bimini. I strongly prefer the designs with full covered cockpits with 360 (or near) visibility.
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BrokenKnucklez posted:But fresh water capacity and storage would be my bigger concern. Also, modern water-makers are pretty great. We had one on the catamaran in Mexico and even with 8 people on the boat we only topped the tanks off at a dock once the entire trip and we hadn't been frugal at all.
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Kenshin posted:
Lawd are they ever expensive though, over $5k (more for tropical) for a Katadyn and the cost of replacement parts don't soften the blow. Looking around for a while I've discovered that its best not to kit out a boat yourself, instead find someone who's done all that and run out of cash and ride on their misfortune to save your own bank account.
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Rime posted:Lawd are they ever expensive though, over $5k (more for tropical) for a Katadyn and the cost of replacement parts don't soften the blow. It's the same as a sports car, find a rich person who has upgraded and buy their awesome boat.
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BrokenKnucklez posted:I would think that just 2 people any thing under 30' would be more than adequate. When I was a younger man I'd sail with friends up and down the coast out of Santa Monica all the time in a Pearson 33-4. It was fine for 4 people for about a week at a time - you had to be inventive with water storage, but it wasn't a big deal. Also the chemical toilet wasn't really up to that duty but when you have water all around you that's not such a big deal. These days my dream is to get a 35 to 40 foot or so trawler type motor yacht or converted fishing boat in another few years (or decades) when I'm well heeled enough to afford the permanent slip space. Nothing serious blue water, but enough to get up and down the West Coast, or even go through Panama and around to the East if I wanted.
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I'm dissapointed in the lack of information on the Chevy 305 in the OP
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I live on a 36 foot monohull, its an older sailboat and they don't have as much room as some of the newer ones I think I could live on a ~30 footer pretty happily - the things that would suck would be less water/gas storage, and less space for the roughly 3 billion tools I seem to have collected. I've been buying them as I need them as well, so it's not like I have anything I don't need Alctel fucked around with this message at 06:16 on Nov 26, 2014 |
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Picked up a Scotty 1106 downrigger today for $499 inc tax Hell yeah! Chinook, Imma coming for you... I am mildly worried I'm running out of space on my electrical panel though, esp since I still need to install a radar system and AIS (but I think that will run on the same circuit as my VHF radio)
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OFFICER 13 INCH posted:I'm dissapointed in the lack of information on the Chevy 305 in the OP 305s make good boat motors. Even better boat anchors.
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OFFICER 13 INCH posted:I'm dissapointed in the lack of information on the Chevy 305 in the OP lol those are Mercury Marine 502's
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Kenshin posted:Even if you just want your own boat it's probably a good idea to do classes. That said there is the (relatively) famous experience of the couple who circumnavigated on "Bumfuzzle", a ~40ft catamaran, back in the mid 2000s, who took the first day of their ASA 101 class, decided they didn't like taking classes, and then just went sailing. They made it, though as I read through their blog even near the end of their trip around the world 2-handing their boat they were still doing things that made me facepalm because I'd learned those things in my classes and they didn't do them while sailing around the world. I have spent all afternoon reading Bumfuzzle - it starts here: http://www.bumfuzzle.com/blog/2003/09/01/septemberoctober-2003/ - it's a good read; I might buy the book for a friend for Christmas. Yes, they make some slap-head mistakes (topfurler!) but fair play to them, they seemed better at learning on-the-job than most people.
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meltie posted:I have spent all afternoon reading Bumfuzzle - it starts here: http://www.bumfuzzle.com/blog/2003/09/01/septemberoctober-2003/ - it's a good read; I might buy the book for a friend for Christmas. Yes, they make some slap-head mistakes (topfurler!) but fair play to them, they seemed better at learning on-the-job than most people. Yeah I lost about a week of my free time to that blog (and hours of slow time at work)
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I grew up sailing and racing 20 - 60 footers and I miss it. Sadly growing up and moving to landlocked places has stymied that love for a long time. If I can ever find one, I'd love to get a Wylie 17 to take day sailing. 
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El Scotch posted:I grew up sailing and racing 20 - 60 footers and I miss it. Sadly growing up and moving to landlocked places has stymied that love for a long time. Is that a sailboard rig attached to an open transom laser?
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Kenshin posted:Yeah I lost about a week of my free time to that blog (and hours of slow time at work) I'm about half-way through I think. It's good, but I wish they'd actually SAIL somewhere instead of dieselling all over the place when there's wind! Is there something a bit special about a liveaboard cat where you have to use the motor if the wind is above 5kts?
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