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Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

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winvirus posted:

Okay, I'm done trying to be nice about it. You came to the conclusion that he cheated. He never explicitly stated that he did, and frankly, I read the chatlog and he didn't really imply it. Like, you made a BUNCH of logical jumps. I strung you along with non-committal messages, like two of them, and then told you the truth an hour later because I felt bad and you were clearly agitated. Yes, I allow people to say whatever the gently caress they want, because this is a social game. Just because someone says something to you in a chat does not mean it is true. In fact, even if he explicitly said "I CHEATED" and then told me "i'm loving with capps", then sure, that's allowed, because saying "I CHEATED" is not cheating. The only "wrong" that occurred was I did something I thought would be harmless and funny, but apparently I was wrong, and I have repeatedly apologized.

Are you happy? Does this satisfy you? The only reason I'm posting this in-thread instead of PMing it is because I want to clarify that people can say whatever they want, because this is a game about communicating with others.

I know you're saying the fact he did/didn't cheat doesn't matter, but I would just like to also say I'm pretty sure no one gives enough of a poo poo to cheat on an internet game, and if they did cheat on an internet game, this entire community would blackball them from any other games like this, and I would not pay out the prize to said cheater, so there's literally no point.

"He never explicitly stated that he did, and frankly, I read the chatlog and he didn't really imply it."

quote:

Capps, Taste was trolling you and told me before you did that he was messing with you.

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Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

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hmm

winvirus
Jan 23, 2009

You only delay the inevitable. All of this island will soon belong to me.

Yes, he never explicitly stated that he was cheating, and you came to that conclusion yourself, to him. After you came to that conclusion, he PMed me that he was trolling you. That is correct. I apologize for the confusion and hope I have been sufficiently transparent for every player to understand that cheating is not tolerated, and that I did indeed mess with capps, and that I am sorry for doing so.

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

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Good to hear that winvirus.

Now here is the thing, they actually did cheated LOL

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

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Taste started editing the chatlogs after I said I would tell you.

I mean like there is no evidence I directly point to, but yeah there was some cheating.

winvirus
Jan 23, 2009

You only delay the inevitable. All of this island will soon belong to me.

mr.capps posted:

Good to hear that winvirus.

Now here is the thing, they actually did cheated LOL

I will investigate this claim, but I doubt it. Thank you for bringing it to my attention.

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

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winvirus posted:

I will investigate this claim, but I doubt it. Thank you for bringing it to my attention.

I hope this investigation won't be like the first.

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

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See he cheated because lying about cheating is cheating, despite what you say.

He started editing chat logs because Taste knew he was in the wrong. He knew he went against the spirit of the game.

t a s t e
Sep 6, 2010

mr.capps posted:

See he cheated because lying about cheating is cheating, despite what you say.

He started editing chat logs because Taste knew he was in the wrong. He knew he went against the spirit of the game.

nail yourself to the loving cross clowning your dumb rear end isn't cheating

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

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I won't link the logs where taste faked cheating, I mean cheated, because people don't want that to come to light.

But I will link these logs

quote:

[11/25/2014 8:49:35 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: can I get an honest talk about your game as an exit gift
[11/25/2014 8:49:49 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: i'm not really going to check the confessionals
[11/25/2014 8:53:24 PM] mr.capps: get to the end, get both votes, win
[11/25/2014 8:54:04 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: nobody actually trusts you capps
[11/25/2014 8:54:12 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: like you lie to people so badly
[11/25/2014 8:54:42 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: and if i didn't promise to certain players not to blow up their game I'd tell you why you won't get past like 7 tops
[11/25/2014 8:55:55 PM] mr.capps: i think you are wrong about that
[11/25/2014 8:56:20 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: i think you think you are in a comfortable position because you tell people everything
[11/25/2014 8:57:07 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: and i think the people you're going to be counting on will shed their outer shell alliances and you will fall with each one of them
[11/25/2014 8:57:49 PM] mr.capps: shell alliances don't exist in this game
[11/25/2014 8:57:55 PM] mr.capps: hell alliances barely exist
[11/25/2014 8:57:59 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: they do, capps
[11/25/2014 8:58:08 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: there's synchronicities
[11/25/2014 8:58:34 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: me half assing an attempt at asiina because she's unpleasant masks it
[11/25/2014 8:58:45 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: but theyre there
[11/25/2014 9:00:26 PM] mr.capps: every conspiracy in this game has been proven false or self desturcted shortly after its inception
[11/25/2014 9:00:41 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: capps
[11/25/2014 9:00:43 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: i have chatlogs
[11/25/2014 9:00:49 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: straight from people
[11/25/2014 9:01:04 PM] mr.capps: ok?
[11/25/2014 9:01:14 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: when someone is telling you their plan
[11/25/2014 9:01:25 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: it's not conspiracy
[11/25/2014 9:01:58 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: consider that i sent that honest game discussion message to quite a few people
[11/25/2014 9:02:50 PM] mr.capps: i don't get what you are trying to say here with this entire converstation
[11/25/2014 9:03:10 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: i'm making fun of you tbh
[11/25/2014 9:03:20 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: sour grapes because i know the board
[11/25/2014 9:03:24 PM] mr.capps: you are doing a piss job at it
[11/25/2014 9:03:30 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: not really
[11/25/2014 9:03:40 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: you'll see it later
[11/25/2014 9:04:00 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: like saying to someone " you won't amount to anything" is weak sauce
[11/25/2014 9:04:11 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: but if they're like in jail at 30
[11/25/2014 9:04:19 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: it's more accurate
[11/25/2014 9:04:55 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: anyway you might survive because the "real players" don't have a good grasp on this game
[11/25/2014 9:05:30 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: with maybe one exception
[11/25/2014 9:06:16 PM] mr.capps: oh no
[11/25/2014 9:06:19 PM] mr.capps: i feel the onset
[11/25/2014 9:06:22 PM] mr.capps: of paranoia
[11/25/2014 9:06:26 PM] mr.capps: who could this exception be
[11/25/2014 9:06:58 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: not paranoia capps like whatever is is
[11/25/2014 9:07:10 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: the only person who actually knows the full board is passive and boring af
[11/25/2014 9:09:33 PM] mr.capps: there isn't really much of a board
[11/25/2014 9:10:41 PM] mr.capps: because this game isn't much of a game
[11/25/2014 9:10:55 PM] mr.capps: have you notice that most moves have led to a player's self destruction?
[11/25/2014 9:11:03 PM] mr.capps: its because people are overcomplicating this
[11/25/2014 9:11:18 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: the game hasn't started yet
[11/25/2014 9:11:36 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: this is the start of the turn in risk
[11/25/2014 9:11:43 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: when you add armies
[11/25/2014 9:11:56 PM] mr.capps: risk actually has mechanics taste
[11/25/2014 9:12:04 PM] mr.capps: this is diplomacy
[11/25/2014 9:12:18 PM] mr.capps: but instead of invading other countries and trying to take over the world
[11/25/2014 9:12:26 PM] mr.capps: you shrug and say "you guys want to kill this guy"
[11/25/2014 9:12:38 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: that's a great way to get to 8, capps
[11/25/2014 9:13:00 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: with the more obvious passengers to follow
[11/25/2014 9:14:21 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: anyway i got pissy when i didn't mean to
[11/25/2014 9:14:31 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: sorry on that
[11/25/2014 9:14:33 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: I was actually curious about how you planned to win
[11/25/2014 9:14:41 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: i was giving you too much credit :/
[11/25/2014 9:14:48 PM] mr.capps: popularity taste
[11/25/2014 9:15:27 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: what makes you popular now is not going to keep you alive later
[11/25/2014 9:15:38 PM] mr.capps: what makes me popular?
[11/25/2014 9:15:52 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: the fact you tell everyone everything
[11/25/2014 9:16:02 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: and people think they own your vote
[11/25/2014 9:16:14 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: once either of those stop
[11/25/2014 9:16:16 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: you do too
[11/25/2014 9:16:18 PM] mr.capps: you are very wrong about that taste
[11/25/2014 9:16:29 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: what makes you popular then?
[11/25/2014 9:16:31 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: in this game
[11/25/2014 9:16:52 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: why are you left alive when pretty much everyone knows not to talk to you except jon joe
[11/25/2014 9:17:19 PM] mr.capps: everyone does talk to me though
[11/25/2014 9:17:28 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: yes
[11/25/2014 9:17:30 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: sure
[11/25/2014 9:17:34 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: everyone talked to cena too
[11/25/2014 9:17:41 PM] mr.capps: no
[11/25/2014 9:17:44 PM] mr.capps: cena talked to everyone else
[11/25/2014 9:17:59 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: that semantic point was what I was implying about you, capps
[11/25/2014 9:18:12 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: every player i would consider a major threat in this game does not trust you
[11/25/2014 9:18:20 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: even the ones you are tied to closely
[11/25/2014 9:18:25 PM] mr.capps: this game isn't about trust
[11/25/2014 9:18:33 PM] mr.capps: and i think you are wrong
[11/25/2014 9:18:38 PM] mr.capps: i think people do trust me
[11/25/2014 9:18:47 PM] Det. John "Taste" O'McKillarney: save that for your post-exit line

then later on he cheated, i mean lied about cheating

winvirus
Jan 23, 2009

You only delay the inevitable. All of this island will soon belong to me.

I can say with 100% confidence that Tremendous Taste did not cheat in any way, and have the proof that I will gladly show post-game. It is late in most time zones; I would urge most of my players to go get some rest and come back Saturday to submit a vote, and to have an excellent Thanksgiving.

Poque
Sep 11, 2003

=^-^=
it bugs me the same way that it bugs me when people try to claim mod error to defend themselves in mafia. technically okay but supremely lovely

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

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taste: master troll

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

hey look,
a post

winvirus posted:

I can say with 100% confidence that Tremendous Taste did not cheat in any way, and have the proof that I will gladly show post-game. It is late in most time zones; I would urge most of my players to go get some rest and come back Saturday to submit a vote, and to have an excellent Thanksgiving.

nah he cheated

t a s t e
Sep 6, 2010

how could someone possibly get the better of me!!!!!


AHA! CHEATING!!!

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

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The point I am trying to get at here, is that the offending parties, winvirus, and taste, don't actually care about this game. They just like drama.

I mean nobody really should care about this game, because its a lovely game, but causing drama and bothering other players and being lovely about others in this game is not cool.

winvirus
Jan 23, 2009

You only delay the inevitable. All of this island will soon belong to me.

I would also like to deeply apologize to the players for how I mishandled this situation, and hope you all can come back with a fresh start and fresh head tomorrow/Saturday. That is all. Have a nice Thanksgiving, guys.

Emmideer
Oct 20, 2011

Lovely night, no?
Grimey Drawer
I shouldn't talk to capps? poo poo I didn't know!

The Carpet Shark
Sep 2, 2014

:coolfish:
Someone is boring as gently caress :(

t a s t e
Sep 6, 2010

I was mad then I didn't mean it jj :(

Emmideer
Oct 20, 2011

Lovely night, no?
Grimey Drawer

Tremendous Taste posted:

I was mad then I didn't mean it jj :(

NO I SEE HOW IT IS CLEARLY ALL YOU DEAD PEOPLE ARE ALLIED AGAINST ME WELL GUESS WHAT I WILL HAVE THE LAST LAUGH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

winvirus
Jan 23, 2009

You only delay the inevitable. All of this island will soon belong to me.

Also, viewers who haven't visited the vista in awhile: confessionals are now current through this evening, through the power of MMM + myself teamwork! Praise be. Thank you all players who submit confessionals, they truly add depth to this game.

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

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Like, my anger here does not come from the fact that taste "trolled" me despite what he is saying.

I am angry because this was allowed in the first place, I am angry that winvirus mishandled this so much (though I am a bit less angry about that now that he has owned up to it)

But I am mostly angry that the real reason why taste did this, was so I would get paranoid about an alliance member. Not to gently caress with my game, but to gently caress with her's. That is just bullshit. Its needless personal malice that should never get brought up into games like this.

t a s t e
Sep 6, 2010

capps that's not it


i did it to mock you from the very start


anyone else was collateral damage

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

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Tremendous Taste posted:

anyone else was collateral damage

No, you are lying.

Jump King
Aug 10, 2011

Taste didn't wv already tell you to stop talking?

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

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Stop the bullshit Taste.

winvirus
Jan 23, 2009

You only delay the inevitable. All of this island will soon belong to me.

Yes, I would like to reiterate: Please, dead players, do not post in-thread or otherwise communicate with living players regarding this game. Thanks again!

Emmideer
Oct 20, 2011

Lovely night, no?
Grimey Drawer
Taste please PM all confessionals TIA.

t a s t e
Sep 6, 2010

mr.capps posted:

Stop the bullshit Taste.

as a rule, I don't bullshit :eng101:. Anywhere! Goodnight.

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


Isn't lying part of the game?

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

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Of course it is, its like how in baseball its a completely viable strategy to say "I used steroids" and then go "pysch!"

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

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But thanks for missing the entire point of everything that just happened there, Opop.

Emmideer
Oct 20, 2011

Lovely night, no?
Grimey Drawer

Opopanax posted:

Isn't lying part of the game?

Dear Mr. Opopanax,

I am a rich Nigerian prince with many points to give you. However, you must first send me a transfer fee of 3 points. I look forward to future business between us.

-Jon "rich Nigerian prince" Joe

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

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(because again its the fact winvirus led me on and taste was messing with me so he can be an rear end in a top hat to another player by proxy to create some forums drama)

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


mr.capps posted:

But thanks for missing the entire point of everything that just happened there, Opop.

:shrug: I fully admit to have no idea why you're so upset.

I assume it's some kind of manufactured WWE style thing to drive up ratings

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

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i am upset at obama

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~

Opopanax posted:

:shrug: I fully admit to have no idea why you're so upset.

I assume it's some kind of manufactured WWE style thing to drive up ratings

CAPPSAMANIA 2014

Nexal
Apr 21, 2010

Moby - Extreme ways
WHAT THE loving ACTUAL gently caress :stonk:

I'm gone for a day and 150+ new posts in this thread.

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Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

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Here, I went to bed and woke up. Let me explain this.

I am upset, because Taste tried to use me to gently caress over another player other than me because of "forums drama" and that Winvirus allowed this because he thought it would be funny. What Taste tried to do had nothing to do with the game, it was personal to him. In the chatlogs above you can see he was upset.

I am upset because Winvirus instead of stopping this when I came to him, lied to me.

I am upset that Taste won't owned up to what he did and admit he was wrong. Because he knows he is wrong. When I told taste I was going to inform Winvirus of what happened, he began editing the skype logs. He was trying to do damage control. Just like how he was trying to act above it all in this thread a while ago.

I am upset because I wanted to get through this game with the minimum amount of "drama" possible and tried to avoid hurting people. But what Taste did was tried to use me to gently caress with another player. And this really had nothing to do with the game, but Winvirus allowed it.

This game lost any sort of validity of actually being a game.

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