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Shirou's planning skills are superb. So they assume Gil is a foreigner because of his hair but no one comments on Sakura's purple hair and eyes?
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Shinji has blue hair so I guess that's a normal Japanese color in the FSN universe.
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Dec 6, 2014 22:35
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Blonde hair is the sign of a foreigner in Japanese culture in general, anime hair colors like purple don't really matter.
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Dec 6, 2014 22:36
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Sindai posted:Shinji has blue hair so I guess that's a normal Japanese color in the FSN universe. Ah yes, I usually forget about Shinji. Guess is plain anime logic.
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Dec 6, 2014 22:37
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Beef Waifu posted:Blonde hair is the sign of a foreigner in Japanese culture in general, anime hair colors like purple don't really matter. Not to mention really weird names.
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Dec 6, 2014 22:52
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Blue Nation posted:Shirou's planning skills are superb. Blu/Purple/Green hair colors are usually considered shades of black/dark hair.
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Dec 6, 2014 23:03
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I think the part of Saber asking why Shirou wants to be a hero was in the VN as well, right? In general, having watched F/Z before playing the VN was kind of delicious because ( Fate/Zero / FSN spoiler - if you've watched F/Z you know this) Saber is essentially considered pretty much the epitome of "hero of justice" in contemporary culture, even if she has her faults. I always kinda wondered how Shirou would react about finding out having a person of such gravitas as his Servant
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Dec 6, 2014 23:55
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I have to say that I really like some of the new music they're using. The one around 15 minutes in sounded like something from Drive.
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Dec 7, 2014 00:35
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YggdrasilTM posted:Blu/Purple/Green hair colors are usually considered shades of black/dark hair. Yeah, they're not "really" those hair colors. Hollow Ataraxia has a character with hair described as red but drawn as purple, for example. This actually leads to a minor plot hole involving one character's hair color, but it would be a big spoiler to explain it.
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Dec 7, 2014 00:36
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Nate RFB posted:I have to say that I really like some of the new music they're using. The one around 15 minutes in sounded like something from Drive. Well I didn't expect the porn music...
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Dec 7, 2014 01:17
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Maybe they know Gilgamesh is foreign because he's white(?).
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Dec 7, 2014 01:49
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Maybe they know Gilgamesh is foreign because he's white(?). He's Arabic. 
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Dec 7, 2014 01:53
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Raenir Salazar posted:He's Arabic. Actually no one's really sure what race the ancient Sumerians would have most resembled. There are a lot of conflicting ideas but none of them have enough evidence to really back them up.
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Dec 7, 2014 02:45
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He's the same race as jesus, black.
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Dec 7, 2014 03:22
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anglo saxon, like all great historical figures
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Dec 7, 2014 03:23
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So...Genghis Khan then?
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Dec 7, 2014 03:44
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Does it really matter? Doesn't make Gil any less powerful. In other news, this episode was the funniest/most ship-worthy this season yet. God I hope this isn't split-cour!
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Dec 7, 2014 09:45
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Grouchio posted:Does it really matter? Doesn't make Gil any less powerful. Pretty sure it is.
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Goddammit. God as much of a powerhouse Jojo and DRRRx2 will be, I hope they can fill this icy void.
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Splitting the show in two is pretty much the only way Ufotable can have the animation budget they have.
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Grouchio posted:Goddammit. God as much of a powerhouse Jojo and DRRRx2 will be, I hope they can fill this icy void. I thought the same thing when Stardust Crusaders went on hiatus. It's all good.
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Dec 7, 2014 11:15
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Coming from Fate/Zero the writing in this is pretty shocking. I definitely wouldn't watch it if it wasn't for the fight scenes.
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Dec 7, 2014 11:55
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Mercrom posted:Coming from Fate/Zero the writing in this is pretty shocking. I definitely wouldn't watch it if it wasn't for the fight scenes. Huh, wow. I feel the exact same way. The Fate/Zero characters may have had their issues, but I felt it was superior to a bunch of kids kind of...Faffing about and not really knowing what they were doing or what the stakes are. I haven't read the VN so maybe that changes, Caster at least suggests someone who knows what they're doing. Also, since this has been bugging me for a while, does Heaven's Feel explain what is going on with Zouken? I can't understand what he's doing at all considering Fate/Zero. Why is Sakura allowed to go to school and have friends and stay over with Shirou? Isn't the whole point to just use her as a breeding vessel and dump her? Although the 5th War is like 50 years early, that might have something to do with it... Also, why the hell did Zouken have Shinji of all people as a Master? The guy can't even use mana or do any magic apparently, which makes him even worse than Kariya. Why didn't Zouken just do the whole Crest Worm implantation on Shinji as well? He seems to be kind of expendable. I'm not really looking for spoilers, just more of a yes or no if this is ever explained. I'm curious, though...The guy Kiritsugu was interrogating and shot in the leg, that was Shinji's father, right? Kariya's brother? And yeah, the fight scenes are excellent, especially in regards to sound design.
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Heaven's Feel is entirely about Sakura and the Matous' dirty business, yeah. I'm enjoying the anime, but I'm also kind of immersing myself in Fate/Hollow Ataraxia and rewatching Carnival Phantasm so maybe I'm just attuned to the characters right now. And I do know where this faffing about is going. And drat am I loving the fight scenes. Seeing Berserker animated was just so cool, I didn't get a feel for how dynamic he was from the text alone. HellCopter fucked around with this message at 12:29 on Dec 7, 2014 |
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Lord Justice posted:Huh, wow. I feel the exact same way. The Fate/Zero characters may have had their issues, but I felt it was superior to a bunch of kids kind of...Faffing about and not really knowing what they were doing or what the stakes are. I haven't read the VN so maybe that changes, Caster at least suggests someone who knows what they're doing.
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I definitely enjoyed Fate/Zero more than Fate/stay night (I've played the game too). I think it's an excellent example of a work passing through many hands and becoming better as a result. The lore developed by Nasu, the character design by Takeuchi, and a compelling drama written by Urobuchi. All comes together quite well.
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Mercrom posted:It's not about competence, but about motivations. All the characterization is weak and the show doesn't make a convincing case of why the characters do the things they do.
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Dec 7, 2014 13:53
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Nate RFB posted:Whose motivations do you feel are unclear to the point of it being detrimental to the story? The only ones we really need at this point are Shirou's and Rin's since they're the main characters and I don't think it could be less clear with them. I do get the general gist of the main characters but it's not nearly enough to carry the show when they are basically the only real characters.
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Well there's not much risk in going to school assuming you are not  and hang around after hours. In a meta-sense it's an easy way to have some of the antagonists reveal themselves and for the various main characters to interact with each other before the war gets really serious, and if Shirou didn't actually ever leave his house then basically nothing would happen in the plot.Rin doesn't want to kill Shirou, even if you gently caress up trying to escape from her during that fight she just erases your memory or something after taking Shirou's command spells away. Rin's whole schtick is that she thinks she's this cold blooded magus but deep down doesn't have the heart for it; talking smack about how she's going to kill Shirou during their confrontation is because she is the ur-tsundere.
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Nate RFB posted:Well there's not much risk in going to school assuming you are not Nate RFB posted:Rin doesn't want to kill Shirou, even if you gently caress up trying to escape from her during that fight she just erases your memory or something after taking Shirou's command spells away. Rin's whole schtick is that she thinks she's this cold blooded magus but deep down doesn't have the heart for it; talking smack about how she's going to kill Shirou during their confrontation is because she is the ur-tsundere.
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Mercrom posted:In that case that scene is really badly directed because didn't look like she was trying to keep him alive at all. It looked like the equivalent of subduing someone with machine guns and hand grenades. Of course Rin was going easy on him. If she wanted to actually kill him she would have used Archer to do the deed.
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You can't be a hero of justice without a HS diploma. Shirou is just serious about his educational aspirations.
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Hunt11 posted:Of course Rin was going easy on him. If she wanted to actually kill him she would have used Archer to do the deed. Archer wasn't at school, iirc, and from Rin's (accurate) perspective Archer is by no means necessary to kill Shirou at this point. It was badly framed in the sense that it definitely looked like she was trying to murder him. In the VN the bad ending to this scene makes it clear she wasn't actually trying to murder him but when her bullets are putting giant craters in walls that's not apparent in the anime, and it makes Rin look slightly unhinged.
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Hunt11 posted:Of course Rin was going easy on him. If she wanted to actually kill him she would have used Archer to do the deed. Or she could've attacked him without being all confrontational, thus winning a pre-emptive strike. Lestaki posted:In the VN the bad ending to this scene makes it clear she wasn't actually trying to murder him but when her bullets are putting giant craters in walls that's not apparent in the anime, and it makes Rin look slightly unhinged. "No, think of all the property damage you've caused!" Variant_Eris fucked around with this message at 16:01 on Dec 7, 2014 |
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Uh, no. The point is that if a projectile destroys walls the viewer logically assumes it also destroys people like Shirou, so Rin comes across as someone trying to kill Shirou outright. This is especially true when she unleashes blind saturation fire through the wall of a classroom.
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I still like this show because of the action but that's most of what we've got so far. I thought Fate/Zero had fairly slow pacing but at this point in the runtime pretty much all the characters had more fleshed out motivations and exhibited more agency than Shirou and Rin in this show.
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It's worth noting that 90% of the story is from Shirou's perspective, with the rest being the prologue (Episode 0) and short intermissions like the scene with Shinji this week. Basically if Shirou is not actually confronting or otherwise engaging with another character in some fashion then we are not privy to their thoughts and actions. Whereas in Zero every faction is their own story.
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Mercrom posted:I still like this show because of the action but that's most of what we've got so far. I thought Fate/Zero had fairly slow pacing but at this point in the runtime pretty much all the characters had more fleshed out motivations and exhibited more agency than Shirou and Rin in this show. Just you wait. When poo poo hits the fan, it hits it hard.
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I have no idea what people mean by this being slower paced than zero. It took an entire season for the first servant to even die in zero.
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Pacing is not purely measured in deaths per second. We had character reveals, emotional reveals, conflicts of ideals, betrayals, all that poo poo in the first few episodes of Fate Zero. We also saw characters maneuvering to set up future reveals, and there was a real sense of impending action. This show just seems to drag. I don't feel like poo poo's going to get real at any second. The mild tension invested in Rider's school mana-sucking plan sagged out in a wet fart, and it's a frustrating waste of foreshadowing. Maybe interesting things will come out of it later, but dammit, I want interesting things now. Do you know what's going to happen next? The protagonists are going to continue going to school to grind math levels and social links until author fiat decides to spring an attack on them. We're just stuck waiting until something happens. Additionally, all of Shirou's challenges are physical. His beliefs and nature have not been questioned, and he still hasn't really revealed a motivation more interesting than any other dimestore shonen hero. Caster and Rider seem like identical minibosses. Rin feels too inconsistent to even be psychotic. Stay Night Saber is boring and bland as the day is long. People say the plot gets better, things heat up... but it's been 4+ hours man. There's been a lot of of show with not much to show for it.
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