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Zsolt the Bolt FTW.
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Dec 10, 2014 20:32
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Late 2001 Minardi had Fernando Alonso and Alex Yoong, which seriously might be the greatest disparity in teammate quality in F1 history. I mean, at least Johnny Dumfries was competent.
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Dec 10, 2014 20:33
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Alain Post posted:Late 2001 Minardi had Fernando Alonso and Alex Yoong, which seriously might be the greatest disparity in teammate quality in F1 history. I mean, at least Johnny Dumfries was competent. i'm not entirely convinced yoong was worse than piquet
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Dec 10, 2014 20:40
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He was bad, but Yoong was one of those completely out-of-their-depth drivers that F1 was supposed to have gotten rid of after like 1995. He was seriously on like, Taki Inoue or Jean-Denis Delatraz's tier.
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Dec 10, 2014 20:42
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Alain Post posted:Late 2001 Minardi had Fernando Alonso and Alex Yoong, which seriously might be the greatest disparity in teammate quality in F1 history. Our Dan vs the Fraud???
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Dec 10, 2014 20:42
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Alain Post posted:He was bad, but Yoong was one of those completely out-of-their-depth drivers that F1 was supposed to have gotten rid of after like 1995. He was seriously on like, Taki Inoue or Jean-Denis Delatraz's tier. friesacher and albers were a pretty terrible duo
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Dec 10, 2014 20:43
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Our Dan vs the Fraud??? Very possibly.
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Dec 10, 2014 20:44
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be nice wicka posted:friesacher and albers were a pretty terrible duo They at least had some vaguely promising lower series results. Like look at Yoong's junior formula records ffs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Yoong
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Dec 10, 2014 20:45
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Alain Post posted:They at least had some vaguely promising lower series results. gently caress the worst drivers today really are a league above even 10 years ago. the worst driver this year was probably ericsson and the motherfucker "earned" a sauber contract.
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Dec 10, 2014 20:48
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Alain Post posted:They at least had some vaguely promising lower series results. Pablo Bluth fucked around with this message at 20:59 on Dec 10, 2014 |
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Dec 10, 2014 20:56
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be nice wicka posted:gently caress Yeah like, Ericsson and Esteben Gutierrez are clearly bad but they've got a baseline level of competence that you didn't see in the absolutely horrible 90s ride buyers. Like, call Bernie an elitist for wanting to clean up the grid in the early 90s, but look at this poo poo. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Formula_One_season#Drivers (I like that seemingly the entire French and Italian development ladders decided to participate in the season at some point)
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Dec 10, 2014 21:01
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Pablo Bluth posted:Alex Yoong was the new Ayrton Senna compared to Yuji Ide. After four races, the FIA had a word in the ear of Super Aguri and said "You should probably drop him before we officially withdraw his superlicence." So they did, then the FIA took away his superlicence anyway. Yuji Ide MWDC 2009
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Dec 10, 2014 21:04
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Alain Post posted:Yeah like, Ericsson and Esteben Gutierrez are clearly bad but they've got a baseline level of competence that you didn't see in the absolutely horrible 90s ride buyers. we desperately need more random british privateers
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Dec 10, 2014 21:07
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Alain Post posted:He was seriously on like, Taki Inoue or Jean-Denis Delatraz's tier. He was even worse than Deletraz, who managed okay results in lower categories sometimes, and Inoue was competent enough to beat Max Papis.
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Dec 10, 2014 21:07
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Pablo Bluth posted:Alex Yoong was the new Ayrton Senna compared to Yuji Ide. After four races, the FIA had a word in the ear of Super Aguri and said "You should probably drop him before we officially withdraw his superlicence." So they did, then the FIA took away his superlicence anyway. Ide did pretty well in Formula Nippon, and Yoong scored 0 points in 2 seasons with decent teams.
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Dec 10, 2014 21:11
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Alain Post posted:Yeah like, Ericsson and Esteben Gutierrez are clearly bad but they've got a baseline level of competence that you didn't see in the absolutely horrible 90s ride buyers. Yoong is also worse than everybody on that list, even Phillipe Adams. I'm hard pressed to think of a semi recent driver who is actually worse than Yoong - perhaps Claudio Langes. Human Grand Prix fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Dec 10, 2014 |
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Dec 10, 2014 21:18
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be nice wicka posted:we desperately need more random british privateers I think formula 1 is well-sorted for British teams. I'd like to see more italians, french, japanese, USA, south American or german teams.
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Dec 10, 2014 21:19
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Markus Winkelhock starting dead last and leading his only race, never forget
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Dec 10, 2014 21:41
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I'm OK with any driver announcement tomorrow I think. Either Button gets in and seeing him up against Alonso will be a nice gauge of respective talents, or Magnussen/that dumb reserve driver will get in and I get to despise McLaren and laugh at their "future hope" driver getting destroyed.
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Dec 10, 2014 21:52
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MattD1zzl3 posted:I think formula 1 is well-sorted for British teams. I'd like to see more italians, french, japanese, USA, south American or german teams. I think you want to watch Formula Vee
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Dec 10, 2014 21:56
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Button did do quite a bit better in the points this year than Magnussen. If they got rid of Button, it'd be like, I don't know, some famous team firing an incredible driver over a lackluster but hilarious Finn or something.
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Dec 10, 2014 21:58
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NtotheTC posted:I'm OK with any driver announcement tomorrow I think. Either Button gets in and seeing him up against Alonso will be a nice gauge of respective talents, or Magnussen/that dumb reserve driver will get in and I get to despise McLaren and laugh at their "future hope" driver getting destroyed. Van Doorne? He largely dominated the later half of the GP2 season, more convincingly than Hamilton's year tbh. He just drove into the distance, even made Palmer look average. The dude is just on another level and could give Alonso a decent run for his money as a rookie. Magnussen hasn't set the world on fire, been a little disappointing but the dude is a rookie so there is that. I would love to see Button get the seat and Magnussen/Van Doorne facing off in GP2 to decide who ultimately replaces Button.
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Dec 10, 2014 21:58
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Butt Wizard posted:Van Doorne? He largely dominated the later half of the GP2 season, more convincingly than Hamilton's year tbh. He just drove into the distance, even made Palmer look average. The dude is just on another level and could give Alonso a decent run for his money as a rookie. Didn't they change it so you can't go back into GP2 if you've had a full F1 drive?
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Dec 10, 2014 22:00
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Tsaedje posted:Didn't they change it so you can't go back into GP2 if you've had a full F1 drive? As far as I know you're barred from GP2 if you win the championship. Gross jeans went back into GP2 after his short stint in F1 but that really wasn't a full drive.
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Dec 10, 2014 22:04
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You're also banned if you've completed a full season of F1, so Magnussen is definitely out. It's difficult to figure out what he might get a drive in if McLaren don't sign him at this point, unless maybe whoever's holding a WEC slot open for Button would take him. edit: Or maybe Sauber, I'm not sure they've got enough drivers signed up yet. edit more vvv: I'm assuming that he's attempting to avoid the place where F1 careers go to die. (Of course Paul di Resta did move from DTM to F1, but I'm not sure that's actually a positive statement). Ilanin fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Dec 10, 2014 |
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Dec 10, 2014 22:17
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Ilanin posted:You're also banned if you've completed a full season of F1, so Magnussen is definitely out. It's difficult to figure out what he might get a drive in if McLaren don't sign him at this point, unless maybe whoever's holding a WEC slot open for Button would take him. There's always DTM
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Dec 10, 2014 22:18
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Ilanin posted:You're also banned if you've completed a full season of F1, so Magnussen is definitely out. It's difficult to figure out what he might get a drive in if McLaren don't sign him at this point, unless maybe whoever's holding a WEC slot open for Button would take him. Indycar.
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Dec 10, 2014 22:19
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Ilanin posted:You're also banned if you've completed a full season of F1, so Magnussen is definitely out. It's difficult to figure out what he might get a drive in if McLaren don't sign him at this point, unless maybe whoever's holding a WEC slot open for Button would take him. Ah, I didn't realise it was that strict. I guess the having drivers young enough to return to a lower Formula is a new thing and will be largely addressed when the minimum age for a super license is 18.
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Dec 10, 2014 22:28
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Butt Wizard posted:Ah, I didn't realise it was that strict. I guess the having drivers young enough to return to a lower Formula is a new thing and will be largely addressed when the minimum age for a super license is 18. I think they changed it to get rid of Pantano
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Dec 10, 2014 22:33
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RIP K-Mags career.
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Dec 10, 2014 22:59
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Keep Button on for another year, send Magnussen to WEC. Problem solved.
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Dec 10, 2014 23:04
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captainOrbital posted:Button did do quite a bit better in the points this year than Magnussen. If they got rid of Button, it'd be like, I don't know, some famous team firing an incredible driver over a lackluster but hilarious Finn or something. Button has consistently outscored all his team mates since joining McLaren. His overall points even outscored Hamilton's before he left. I know Mags has been Rons newest play boy for the future, but he really has not left me much impressed this year. Infact I think he has been rather poo poo. Myrddin_Emrys fucked around with this message at 23:09 on Dec 10, 2014 |
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Dec 10, 2014 23:05
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Oh yeah, meant to say:Butt Wizard posted:Van Doorne? He largely dominated the later half of the GP2 season, more convincingly than Hamilton's year tbh. He just drove into the distance, even made Palmer look average. The dude is just on another level and could give Alonso a decent run for his money as a rookie. Making Palmer look average isn't really that impressive, because he kinda is (this tells you something about the rest of the field). Palmer's GP2 record is very similar to Max Chilton's in his first three years (Chilton was promoted to F1 after his third, which might actually be fortunate in some ways): Chilton Year 1: 18 starts, highest finish 5th, 3 points, 24th. Palmer Year 1: 18 starts, highest finish 9th, 0 points, 28th Chilton Year 2: 18 starts, highest finish 6th, 4 points, 20th Palmer Year 2: 24 starts, 1 win, 2 further podiums, 78 points, 11th Chilton Year 3: 24 starts, 2 wins, 1 further podium, 169 points, 4th Palmer Year 3: 22 starts, 2 wins, 1 further podium, 119 points, 7th Chilton was better in years 1 and 3, Palmer in year 2 (side note, though: Palmer never beat his team-mate until this year; Chilton only lost to his in his rookie year, though then again he didn't have a fixed team-mate in year 2 and in year 3 it was Rio freaking Haryanto). I think Vandoorne's probably pretty good, mostly based on his performance last year as a rookie in FR3.5, but it's very hard to tell how he's developed based on this year's GP2 because the field kind of sucks. Ilanin fucked around with this message at 23:20 on Dec 10, 2014 |
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Dec 10, 2014 23:17
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Ilanin posted:I think Vandoorne's probably pretty good, mostly based on his performance last year as a rookie in FR3.5, but it's very hard to tell how he's developed based on this year's GP2 because the field kind of sucks. Yea it's not great. I like Evans, he's consistent but by no means the quickest and got hosed over by some stupid tyre choices this year, but when they were both on equal terms, Van Doorne still drove better races. While we're on GP2, what's the deal with Buxton no longer commentating? Did someone get fed up with him constantly berating GP3 for being poo poo and how they should use the old GP2 cars instead?
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Dec 10, 2014 23:34
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I know it's the Daily Mail but they're saying that it's going to be Button and Alonso next year. They're also saying that Ron Dennis only kept him because Honda and other shareholders like him. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...nso-season.html
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Dec 10, 2014 23:37
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keevo posted:I know it's the Daily Mail but they're saying that it's going to be Button and Alonso next year. They're also saying that Ron Dennis only kept him because Honda and other shareholders like him. I am so hard right now!
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Dec 10, 2014 23:44
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keevo posted:I know it's the Daily Mail but they're saying that it's going to be Button and Alonso next year. They're also saying that Ron Dennis only kept him because Honda and other shareholders like him. It is the daily fail, but that outcome and the reasons behind it are entirely plausible. I'd be fine with that line up.
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Dec 10, 2014 23:46
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Wirth1000 posted:Keep Button on for another year, send Magnussen to WEC. Problem solved. IMO keep Magnussen on as a test/reserve driver, Button's gonna be retiring pretty soon anyway
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I won't lie, I can't hate McLaren, I don't know why. Maybe it's the history, maybe it's how weird Ron Dennis is, but I'll always kinda like them. At least I won't feel as bad if the Alonso/Button lineup is for real.
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