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old bean factory
Nov 18, 2006

Will ya close the fucking doors?!

Venusian Weasel posted:

Nice!

The short answer is: depends on what you want to take pictures of. If you just want to take pictures of star-fields and nebulae, you'd be much better off either building your own barn-door tracking mount or, if you want you want to spend some money for more precision, something like iOptron's SkyTracker mount. They'll let you get decent pictures of stars, comets, and large nebulae just using your current gear. I'd say that's probably your cheapest option.

On the other hand, if you wanted to spring for a little more, I'd recommend finding a decent motorized telescope and a t-mount adapter for your camera. Then, over time, you can upgrade to more specialized equipment if you like using your telescope for photography. If not, you can always just sit back and enjoy the views through the eyepiece. I haven't seriously looked at telescopes in years, so I'll leave it to someone else to make recommendations if you're leaning towards a telescope.

Oh cool, I didn't know there were mounts like that! I'm mostly interested in capturing the things you listed, so I'll dig around a bit and see if it fits my needs.

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slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

AstroZamboni posted:

Yup. Freeze dried bullshit.

I made an offer on a 12" LX90 that has been for sale for over a month. The price they are asking is actually pretty decent, but if I can get it for a bit cheaper all the better. Even if they turn down my offer, might be worthwhile. It's supposedly only used once and $1K off retail (and no taxes of course) so it's a good deal.

It comes with an Autostar controller, but I watched a youtube review of the scope and some guy is saying the Audiostar (newer version?) is supposedly much better. C/D? Is it as simple as plugging a new controller in?

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

Whelp, I just made a deal for a taken out of the box and used only once LX-90 in 12" for $1800 CDN. All original eyepieces, accessories and packaging. They ordered it directly from Meade a few years back and never used it. Owner is a retired teacher so they don't lie...right?

I think that's an OK deal? :ohdear:

Coxswain Balls
Jun 4, 2001

Even if it's well used, it shouldn't be that big of a deal. The CPC 1100 we got was very heavily used, with plenty of surface rust on the tripod, and thick oxidation on all the external screws. As long as the optics and electronics are good (ours were immaculate), you should be golden. Some steel wool, oil and CLR took care of the rust, and while I was at it I cracked open the mount and replaced the plastic bearings with chrome steel ones, then regreased everything that had the crummy Chinese gunk on it. One evening of work and it's already better than new.

Daveh
Jan 18, 2005

You know what? You know what you're putting into our bodies? Death! Delicious, strawberry-flavored death!
I've just got back from a weekend in Iceland to see the Northern Lights, and it was pretty awesome space stuff!

Here's a few photos I took of the Aurora:











And here's an animation I made of some shots to show the movement: https://www.dropbox.com/s/7c83y0vzl4f073l/NorthernLights2014.avi?dl=1

AFewBricksShy
Jun 19, 2003

of a full load.



Daveh posted:

I've just got back from a weekend in Iceland to see the Northern Lights, and it was pretty awesome space stuff!

Here's a few photos I took of the Aurora:











And here's an animation I made of some shots to show the movement: https://www.dropbox.com/s/7c83y0vzl4f073l/NorthernLights2014.avi?dl=1

Is that what it looks like in person, or is that time lapse?

Awesome pictures either way.

vxsarin
Oct 29, 2004


ASK ME ABOUT MY AP WIRE PHOTOS

AFewBricksShy posted:

Is that what it looks like in person, or is that time lapse?

Awesome pictures either way.

yeah, that's what they look like. not quite that bright since I suspect he did a long'ish exposure, but it's basically it, but dancing around. it's actually kind of spooky the first time you see it.

EDIT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ezobpz55EEY

vxsarin fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Dec 9, 2014

Daveh
Jan 18, 2005

You know what? You know what you're putting into our bodies? Death! Delicious, strawberry-flavored death!
Yeah, when it's an energetic display they look like the photos and the video Pukestain Pal linked to. On a "slow" night they're just green wisps.
The photos are four second exposures at a low ISO.

It was stunning to see in person!

old bean factory
Nov 18, 2006

Will ya close the fucking doors?!
That's really awesome, great shots!

One night when I was out doing startrail exposures, a neighbor came out to join me in watching the night sky. Apparently she was originally from the Faeroe Islands and told how common northern lights were there. I live in Denmark which is too far low to see them, but it's one of those things I really want to see and film.

lonelywurm
Aug 10, 2009

mng posted:

I live in Denmark which is too far low to see them, but it's one of those things I really want to see and film.
You can definitely get the northern lights in Denmark, you just need a strong aurora (and probably a fairly dark sky; the least energetic auroras are just shifting tendrils of green). A couple sites I've seen suggest kp6 is a good bet for the northern half and kp7 for the rest.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

I used to live in Northern Alberta, about 55N and I could see aurora with regularity.

Venusian Weasel
Nov 18, 2011

Yeah, but Denmark and Alberta are at different geomagnetic latitudes, although the increased rate of wander in the magnetic pole in the last couple of decades mean this is changing. Generally speaking, an aurora strong enough to be seen in continental Europe is strong enough to penetrate well into the US. A Kp 7 event might be visible from only 45-50N in Europe, but in the States you'd probably notice a glow on the northern horizon as far south as Alabama and Arizona.

Number_6
Jul 23, 2006

BAN ALL GAS GUZZLERS

(except for mine)
Pillbug
The Geminids shower tonight seems to be popping for me... in about 5 minutes I've seen 3 bright ones and 1 dim to my north. And my skies are not particularly dark. (suburban Austin, TX).

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

Venusian Weasel posted:

Yeah, but Denmark and Alberta are at different geomagnetic latitudes, although the increased rate of wander in the magnetic pole in the last couple of decades mean this is changing. Generally speaking, an aurora strong enough to be seen in continental Europe is strong enough to penetrate well into the US. A Kp 7 event might be visible from only 45-50N in Europe, but in the States you'd probably notice a glow on the northern horizon as far south as Alabama and Arizona.
Oh yeah? Why don't you just shut up science guy. :colbert:

completely forgot about the differences

Edit: Question about eyepieces: For a telescope that can use a 2" piece, what are you missing out by only using a 1.25?

slidebite fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Dec 14, 2014

swebonny
Aug 24, 2010
Sigh, haven't had a cloud free and non-busy day for over a month now...

Oh and Venusian Weasel, I'll be working on those Saturn pics soon, been way to busy lately.

Venusian Weasel
Nov 18, 2011

swebonny posted:

Sigh, haven't had a cloud free and non-busy day for over a month now...

Oh and Venusian Weasel, I'll be working on those Saturn pics soon, been way to busy lately.

No problem! I'll probably be focusing on my Mars Viking Orbiter project for the forseeable future anyway. Lots of goodies there too.

AzureSkys
Apr 27, 2003

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

Geez, selling a 10" dobsonian on Craigs/Kijijii is proving harder than I would have thought. Had 2 people that seemed somewhat serious and one that tried to lowball almost half what i was asking and I'm only asking $425 including eyepieces and barlow, still with its shipping box and seems like a better price than the other dobs listed for sale.

Is there not much demand for them used?

GutBomb
Jun 15, 2005

Dude?

slidebite posted:

Geez, selling a 10" dobsonian on Craigs/Kijijii is proving harder than I would have thought. Had 2 people that seemed somewhat serious and one that tried to lowball almost half what i was asking and I'm only asking $425 including eyepieces and barlow, still with its shipping box and seems like a better price than the other dobs listed for sale.

Is there not much demand for them used?

If you live in new England I'd buy that this weekend. That's a great deal. If you don't, but want to deal with shipping, we can take this to PMs

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

I would consider it, but shipping this big boy from Western Canada would cost a fortune.

Coxswain Balls
Jun 4, 2001

I can ask around here in Winnipeg to see if anyone is interested and is heading your way. I know there's a student in my SO's astronomy class who really wants to get a dobsonian of her own to start off with, and that's a pretty wicked price.

Venusian Weasel
Nov 18, 2011

So I guess it's possible to still discover a new deep sky object these days.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

That's pretty cool. How often do people give the well known bright stars good long images? I wonder if there are more out there.

Coxswain Balls posted:

I can ask around here in Winnipeg to see if anyone is interested and is heading your way. I know there's a student in my SO's astronomy class who really wants to get a dobsonian of her own to start off with, and that's a pretty wicked price.
I actually live in the Lethbridge area. I did get another reply from someone in Calgary so if it does get bought I'll post here to let you know.

Venusian Weasel
Nov 18, 2011

slidebite posted:

That's pretty cool. How often do people give the well known bright stars good long images? I wonder if there are more out there.

I actually live in the Lethbridge area. I did get another reply from someone in Calgary so if it does get bought I'll post here to let you know.

Usually not many. They usually turn up on deep sky surveys that horrendously overexpose bright stars as a matter of course. There's a few objects like this that have been discovered by sharp-eyed observers and photographers, but the only one I can really think of offhand is the dwarf galaxy Leo I right next to Regulus.

Van Dis
Jun 19, 2004
I was gifted the Bushnell 10x50 binocs and Turn Left at Orion today, and I dug out my old tripod from the garage. Time to get back into this. Hooray :toot:

AstroZamboni
Mar 8, 2007

Smoothing the Ice on Europa since 1997!
I got some Celestron 7x50s to replace the pair that broke this year!

old bean factory
Nov 18, 2006

Will ya close the fucking doors?!

Van Dis posted:

I was gifted the Bushnell 10x50 binocs and Turn Left at Orion today, and I dug out my old tripod from the garage. Time to get back into this. Hooray :toot:

Awesome :D Probably one of my better hobby decisions to get some 10x50s and a tripod mount to start with.

Venusian Weasel
Nov 18, 2011

I got an iOptron Skytracker and ballhead mount expecting to be able to use a tripod I already owned. Turns out now that I've screwed off the pan head on the tripod that it apparently uses a non-standard mounting screw and so I can't fit the Skytracker to it. Really sucks, I was hoping to get some good pictures of Comet Lovejoy tonight since it's the only clear night I'm going to have until next Monday at least. Oh well, guess I'll just be using a telescope and pencil tonight.

Armacham
Mar 3, 2007

Then brothers in war, to the skirmish must we hence! Shall we hence?
So I finally got some good telescope time tonight from here in Tucson. I was able to get an amazing view of Jupiter and the Galilean Moons. I could make out the bands and everything! The moon also was really nice. The terminator broke through a nice field of craters. What a great hobby! The view was very sensitive to vibration however. I am not sure if the current mount is up to the weight of the telescope.

Van Dis
Jun 19, 2004
The Bushnell 10x50s don't have a way to mount them to a tripod. What are some solutions to this besides "hold really still"?

old bean factory
Nov 18, 2006

Will ya close the fucking doors?!

Van Dis posted:

The Bushnell 10x50s don't have a way to mount them to a tripod. What are some solutions to this besides "hold really still"?

I have a type like this, does the job.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Universal-B...+tripod+adapter

Van Dis
Jun 19, 2004

What I mean is, these binocs don't have a mount, so you can't attach a tripod adaptor to it at all. Which I'm honestly very surprised about; I assumed binocs recommended for astronomy would necessarily have that feature.

old bean factory
Nov 18, 2006

Will ya close the fucking doors?!

Van Dis posted:

What I mean is, these binocs don't have a mount, so you can't attach a tripod adaptor to it at all. Which I'm honestly very surprised about; I assumed binocs recommended for astronomy would necessarily have that feature.

That's surprising. It's not hidden under a cap at the front? I guess you need a clamp then http://www.amazon.co.uk/Manfrotto-035BN-Binocular-Allows-Binoculars/dp/B000LRFV42/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1419957033

Venusian Weasel
Nov 18, 2011

Got a picture of Comet Lovejoy last night. Really need to figure out a way to drag some more detail out of the tail, with almost 14 minutes of exposure it should be stronger than that.

Armacham
Mar 3, 2007

Then brothers in war, to the skirmish must we hence! Shall we hence?
I'm curious about upgrading the mount for the telescope I mentioned awhile ago (120mm Orion apochromatic refractor). It's currently on an older Orion alt-az mount that seems unstable to me and tends to wobble for a while after making adjustments. It's missing the accessory tray so I have some braces I made with sheet metal, but not as stiff as the screw in tray would be. Is there a good starting point for price where I'm not buying junk? I was thinking of a basic equatorial mount that I could upgrade with a motor at some point.

INTJ Mastermind
Dec 30, 2004

It's a radial!
Just getting back into the hobby after being out of it for a few years and ordered myself a new Nexstar 6 SE! My previously owned scopes were a Celestron 5" Newtonian on a EQ mount, and a Celestron 8" SCT on a manual Alt/Az mount. Both of those scopes were excellent, and the 8" SCT especially was a lot of fun, but with Los Angeles's light pollution, finding enough visible stars to begin star hopping was very difficult. So I'm really excited about the GOTO feature in the Nexstar, which would hopefully allow me to start seeing things from the roof of my apartment instead of making a 45 minute drive to darker skies.

For those that own one, what do you guys use for power? I've heard that the 8 AA's in the base hardly power the scope for more than a couple of hours at a time, and the big Celestron Power Tank looks kind of heavy and bulky. Online people have given good reviews of 12v lithium ion battery packs, and I'm just curious if anyone's tried one.

INTJ Mastermind fucked around with this message at 01:58 on Jan 3, 2015

Van Dis
Jun 19, 2004

mng posted:

That's surprising. It's not hidden under a cap at the front? I guess you need a clamp then http://www.amazon.co.uk/Manfrotto-035BN-Binocular-Allows-Binoculars/dp/B000LRFV42/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1419957033

Yeah, there's no way to mount these binocs without a clamp.


Maybe we could get the first post amended to include that info about the Bushnell 10x50s, along with another binoc recommendation.

Coxswain Balls
Jun 4, 2001

INTJ Mastermind posted:

For those that own one, what do you guys use for power? I've heard that the 8 AA's in the base hardly power the scope for more than a couple of hours at a time, and the big Celestron Power Tank looks kind of heavy and bulky. Online people have given good reviews of 12v lithium ion battery packs, and I'm just curious if anyone's tried one.
Any sort of 12V battery should work fine, but you need to figure out what kind of power draw your equipment has, and then you can come up with a power budget to make sure you have enough juice for the type of observing you'll be doing (Single night? Long weekend camping trip?).

http://rasc-vancouver.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/mar-apr-08.pdf
http://rasc-vancouver.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/jul-aug-08.pdf

Those two RASC newsletters have parts one and two of a really good article on powering equipment in the field. Here's my own example I'm working on right now:

My telescope's manual specified that the mount draws a maximum of 1.5A during heavy slewing. Since I'm using an SCT scope some dew heaters are going to be necessary, and since it's 11" the front one is gonna be a big one. On full power, the dew heaters for the corrector plate, eyepiece and finderscope are going to draw 4A. Worst case scenario, there'll be a total draw of 6.5A.

Batteries are typically rated in amp hours (Ah, or mAh for smaller batteries), which will help you calculate how long your battery will last. So, let's say I'm going to use this 72Ah deep-cycle battery, if I was to run all of my equipment at full power (Not terribly likely), it would take 11 hours to hit 0Ah (72/6.5). Since draining a battery to more than 50% capacity is very bad for the life of the battery, halve that hour number to get a proper, worst case scenario number. In reality I've been told that a tracking mount has a pretty low power draw when you're not slewing all over the place, so as long as I'm not going crazy with the heaters, that 72Ah battery should be plenty for a long-weekend star party.

Those Celestron power packs are really overpriced for what you get. You can probably build your own battery with a ton more capacity for a lot cheaper. I'm currently working on my own battery using that tutorial as a base, but with some extra safety features like proper outdoor rated connectors and a low voltage disconnect with solar charging capability.

Van Dis posted:

Maybe we could get the first post amended to include that info about the Bushnell 10x50s, along with another binoc recommendation.
These Celestron 15x70 Skymasters are pretty awesome, especially after collimation by a pro. They often go on sale for $50 at Canadian Tire; our local club bought a ton of them a few years ago and has been raffling them off, which is how I got my pair.

DreadLlama
Jul 15, 2005
Not just for breakfast anymore
You guys have awesome setups and I feel kind of stupid for posting this here since it's obvious that everything you've got is miles out of my league. Nonetheless, the following is my situation:

I got a $50 gift card from best buy for Decemberween.
Best Buy has telescopes on sale until January 8th.

I have $50 (+$20 or so ~ish) to spend.

I've got a 50mm aperture spotting scope of unknown focal length (it's variable zoom. Does that matter?) It's basically good for spying on neighbors. It has a tiny little unadjustable tripod, where pointing "up" to any degree basically requires lying on my back in the dirt. I'd like to upgrade.

Given my price range and store restrictions, I've narrowed my search down to the following:

http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product...ae2ac0d5cf5en02
Pros:
Big tripod. Appears to be adjustable.
Might come with a suitcase.
Cons:
Smallest aperture of the things I'm looking at.

http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product...ab1722e5eb4en02
Pros:
Larger aperture than the other scope.
Cons:
Appears to have a red-dot site instead of a spotting scope
Tiny arsed tripod - appears to be non-adjustable.

http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product...1d0895388a9en02
Pros:
Appears to come with an adjustable tripod.
May come with a free set of binoculars
Has a spotting scope which is not a site from a paintball gun.
Cons:
Claims to be a refractor but the eyepiece is mounted on the side. May be constructed via voodoo.
Customer reviews are unenthusiastic.


They've got a few items in the $60 - $90 range. I know little enough about these that I don't feel I can ask an informed question - let alone make an informed decision. If you had $50 to spend on a telescope and it had to come from Best Buy (Canada), what would you choose?

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Carth Dookie
Jan 28, 2013

Honestly? I'd trade the gift card for straight cash and buy something second hand. If you absolutely HAVE to buy one of those three, the 300x 76 Newtonian or the Safari would be the better choices. 300x 76 if you've got a park bench somewhere you can sit it on, and the Safari if you don't. To be quite honest though; dealing with extremely budget equipment can often be quite frustrating, and may turn you off the hobby. You wouldn't be the first.

I'd actually suggest trying to find some 10x50 binoculars and getting yourself a halfway decent sky map. You can just lie on your back and check stuff out. You'd be surprised what you can see with it.

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