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Benne posted:The Slammy Awards are typically a boon to ratings and they just tanked, so you can't blame it all on football season. When your ratings are identical year to year you can't blame one bad rating on anything other than variance or something that was specifically bad on that show.
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I Before E posted:I thought Eva was fired recently. No, she's off recovering from the
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I was just watching the opening to an old episode of Nitro (8/16/99) , the one after Road Wild 99 and it started with a Lash Leroux v Juventud Guerrera match and it was fairly decent but after 3 minutes Sid came down and interfered really spoiling what could have been a good match. Was this a regular occurrence in WCW at this time?
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Dec 14, 2014 13:50
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Ultragonk posted:I was just watching the opening to an old episode of Nitro (8/16/99) , the one after Road Wild 99 and it started with a Lash Leroux v Juventud Guerrera match and it was fairly decent but after 3 minutes Sid came down and interfered really spoiling what could have been a good match. Was this a regular occurrence in WCW at this time? short answer, oh god yes.
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Dec 14, 2014 13:57
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WeaponX posted:short answer, oh god yes. God forbid the crowd be entertained I suppose. Having said that Disco Inferno just came out and did a small promo that lead to a match between him and Benoit which was good and Sid was nowhere near it, WCW was a funny beast. Also Disco Inferno seems entertaining, is his work worth tracking down?
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Ultragonk posted:I was just watching the opening to an old episode of Nitro (8/16/99) , the one after Road Wild 99 and it started with a Lash Leroux v Juventud Guerrera match and it was fairly decent but after 3 minutes Sid came down and interfered really spoiling what could have been a good match. Was this a regular occurrence in WCW at this time? Sid's gimmick at the time was that he was chasing Goldberg's streak so he would run down to interfere in all kinds of random matches and powerbomb everybody, counting those as "wins" for his streak. It was a funny gimmick.
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Ultragonk posted:I was just watching the opening to an old episode of Nitro (8/16/99) , the one after Road Wild 99 and it started with a Lash Leroux v Juventud Guerrera match and it was fairly decent but after 3 minutes Sid came down and interfered really spoiling what could have been a good match. Was this a regular occurrence in WCW at this time? Streak Sid rules.
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MassRafTer posted:When your ratings are identical year to year you can't blame one bad rating on anything other than variance or something that was specifically bad on that show. It showed that nobody gives a poo poo about the Slammy's anymore.
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Dec 14, 2014 17:13
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From Balor and Itami in NXT I'm moved to ask; how the hell does the double foot stomp from the corner not just horribly damage someone? Folding legs for the landing would help, I guess, but still.
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Dec 14, 2014 17:32
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Revenant Threshold posted:From Balor and Itami in NXT I'm moved to ask; how the hell does the double foot stomp from the corner not just horribly damage someone? Folding legs for the landing would help, I guess, but still. I'm not sure how, but as I can recall it's actually considered one of the safer moves to do in the corner. That's what I remember from when Lo-ki was on NXT or something
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Dec 14, 2014 17:36
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I suppose if the person doing the stomp was moving forward as well as down, they'd be able to land on the other guy without exerting a lot of downward pressure
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Dec 14, 2014 17:41
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Sasha aint ratchet posted:I'm not sure how, but as I can recall it's actually considered one of the safer moves to do in the corner. That's what I remember from when Lo-ki was on NXT or something It definitely can injure people though , iirc Davey Richards gave Paul London a concussion off a double stomp in ROH a couple years ago.
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Dec 14, 2014 17:43
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It helps that the guys who do double stomps tend to weigh like 9 lbs
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How does Kevin I'm guessing the answer just might be that it really does hurt like hell. Mostly I was just surprised to see that WWE let him do the move.
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In regards to double stomps, how does Cesaro's standing one not hurt like hell? That's a lot of dude to hop on top of your chest.
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Dec 14, 2014 18:11
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I know in regards to strikes like kicks or knees the wrestler slaps their leg to get that "smack" sound. But I noticed with certain other moves like lariats or stuff like this (at :50) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMB8JZgPJrI they produce a similar sound as well. Just curious at to how that's done (unless theyre legit hitting the guy) as I don't notice any leg slapping.
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Dec 14, 2014 18:17
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I don't know but I do remember Macho Man botching his elbow drop and breaking three of Little Naitch's ribs once.
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Dec 14, 2014 18:34
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MrBling posted:How does Kevin It does hurt like hell my all accounts. One of the more dangerous moves.
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Savage usually landed on his hip while doing the Elbow so as not to murder the other guy. Once his hip was hosed and he couldn't do that anymore, he just started murdering the other guy.
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usually the stomps end with sliding off to the side of the opponent, so it just hurts like hell instead of max-hell or splash-hellRoman Reigns posted:I know in regards to strikes like kicks or knees the wrestler slaps their leg to get that "smack" sound. But I noticed with certain other moves like lariats or stuff like this (at :50) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMB8JZgPJrI they produce a similar sound as well. Just curious at to how that's done (unless theyre legit hitting the guy) as I don't notice any leg slapping. probably either slapping his own chest or just slapping the other guy's chest, or both. Old stage combat stuff.
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Dec 14, 2014 19:04
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Unless you're Stan Hansen, then you just swing your arm and hope for the worst.
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Manwithastick posted:2 big rather open questions This one's really pretty dependent on what time scale you're discussing. Within the year? It's a mix of football and business cycle. Things don't usually kick back up until the Mania build. If you're asking longer term, WWE suffers from the same issues that everything except for Football suffers from. People consume entertainment differently than they did 3 years ago, 5 years ago, 10 years ago, etc. You can watch RAW, you can watch one of hundreds of other programs available at the same time, you can watch something you missed OnDemand, you can watch Netflix, you can catch something else on your DVR or you can save RAW for Wednesday night when nothing else is really on. Narratively satisfying as "the booking and/or John Cena sucks" may be, declining ratings on a longer scale isn't some WWE exclusive problem. It's everything except for the NFL (and cult favorite shows that get added to Netflix during hiatus).
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Geoff Peterson posted:This one's really pretty dependent on what time scale you're discussing. Within the year? It's a mix of football and business cycle. Things don't usually kick back up until the Mania build. Basically this. Ratings are down everywhere now. One of the fun things to do is to go back the last few years and look at cancelled TV shows and the type of ratings they were getting, compared to what TV shows still on the air get now. You can have just a couple of million watching and it's considered a hit. Some networks would kill to have the numbers they were getting 2/3 years ago. As for WWE itself, there's that and there's also fatigue. If you turned on the TV and watched Raw once a year you'd probably see roughly the same thing. Same people, similar storylines. The more of a product there is, the more watered down it becomes. Wrestling is already something of a niche market, and they're expecting people to watch how many hours a week of it? If WWE improve their product, which means improving their whole way of thinking, then I think they'll see some sort of rise in the ratings. As it is though they'll just stagnate.
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Manwithastick posted:2 big rather open questions *gazes into crystal ball* It's bad
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Thauros posted:It definitely can injure people though , iirc Davey Richards gave Paul London a concussion off a double stomp in ROH a couple years ago. In fairness, that was a double foot stomp on the apron, which just seems like a dumb idea anyway. And it looked like it sucked real bad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybuoPnJs8pQ
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DrVenkman posted:Basically this. Ratings are down everywhere now. One of the fun things to do is to go back the last few years and look at cancelled TV shows and the type of ratings they were getting, compared to what TV shows still on the air get now. You can have just a couple of million watching and it's considered a hit. Some networks would kill to have the numbers they were getting 2/3 years ago. Ratings are down everywhere and Raw has averaged a 3.0 the last three years.
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Sir Jebus posted:In fairness, that was a double foot stomp on the apron, which just seems like a dumb idea anyway. And it looked like it sucked real bad. Anytime I see that video and see the link to YoukilledPaul2, I can't help but be pissed that neither did the ref end the match right then and there, or at least tell Davey to cover London for a fast 1-2-3, but actually let the match go ahead for almost 2 more minutes, including letting Paul do an SSP while clearly concussed.
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Germansimp posted:Anytime I see that video and see the link to YoukilledPaul2, I can't help but be pissed that neither did the ref end the match right then and there, or at least tell Davey to cover London for a fast 1-2-3, but actually let the match go ahead for almost 2 more minutes, including letting Paul do an SSP while clearly concussed. i blame the stupid rear end roh style for having a guy be back on offense minutes after eating a move like that
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Luigi Thirty posted:I don't know but I do remember Macho Man botching his elbow drop and breaking three of Little Naitch's ribs once. This sounded pretty horrifying so I looked it up and apparently it was actually his vertebrae that were broken 
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Dec 14, 2014 23:14
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Spermgod posted:i blame the stupid rear end roh style for having a guy be back on offense minutes after eating a move like that They went home early because of the injury not because of the style.
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Dec 14, 2014 23:16
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Squalitude posted:This sounded pretty horrifying so I looked it up and apparently it was actually his vertebrae that were broken DDP said he hated taking Savage's elbow because it was "tear the meat off his ribs", whatever that means.
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Dec 14, 2014 23:20
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i think that means it was a hard landing
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MassRafTer posted:They went home early because of the injury not because of the style. He was saying that they didn't end it early enough and that a concussed guy shouldn't have been made to bust out a SSP.
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Dec 14, 2014 23:21
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MassRafTer posted:They went home early because of the injury not because of the style. fair point i didnt even consider that he had to go over as for having a guy do that poo poo with a concussion, well thats wrestling everywhere in any era and yes its stupid but it is how it is. hopefully it changes at some point.
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titties posted:He was saying that they didn't end it early enough and that a concussed guy shouldn't have been made to bust out a SSP. You can still go home early without going home early enough. Wrestlers have a mentality that they want to finish the match even if they are injured so they figure out some sort of finish even if it is stupid. That was the issue here not the ROH style of guys not selling as was said in the post I replied to.
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Spermgod posted:as for having a guy do that poo poo with a concussion, well thats wrestling everywhere in any era and yes its stupid but it is how it is. hopefully it changes at some point. MassRafTer posted:You can still go home early without going home early enough. Wrestlers have a mentality that they want to finish the match even if they are injured so they figure out some sort of finish even if it is stupid. That was the issue here not the ROH style of guys not selling as was said in the post I replied to. I wouldn't have believed this was still a thing before these replies. I assumed that thanks to safety policies / concussion and brain damage awareness, smart crowds, and the abandonment of serious kayfabe, there is no reason to continue a match when someone has an easily-noticeable brain injury. 99% of the fans understand that wrestling is pre-determined and (I assume) will not poo poo on a match if it is called due to serious injury. Throw up the loving X and get the injured guy out of the ring, it's 2014.
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titties posted:I wouldn't have believed this was still a thing before these replies. not only does every wrestler ever insist on finishing the match, they get mad if someone steps in and stops it for them
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Dec 15, 2014 01:04
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oatgan posted:not only does every wrestler ever insist on finishing the match, they get mad if someone steps in and stops it for them Bryan losing his poo poo for that exact thing probably helped his career.
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Dec 15, 2014 01:05
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It should probably be the responsibility of the promotors to protect hurt and concussed wrestlers from stupid decisions.
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MassRafTer posted:You can still go home early without going home early enough. Wrestlers have a mentality that they want to finish the match even if they are injured so they figure out some sort of finish even if it is stupid. That was the issue here not the ROH style of guys not selling as was said in the post I replied to. There's like three minutes there where all they should do is have Davey roll him over for three. Davey even went over for god's sake, it wasn't like they needed to do a Steve Austin-post-piledriver rollup (not that anyone would care anyway). It was really dumb to do any more bumps.
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