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| Golf GTI / R / R32 |
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196 | 0.02% |
| Impreza WRX / STi |
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133 | 0.01% |
| Mazdaspeed 3 |
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92 | 0.01% |
| Veloster Turbo |
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20 | 0.00% |
| Focus ST |
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149 | 0.01% |
| Other Hot Hatch |
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230 | 0.02% |
| Elantra GT |
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1000001 | 99.92% |
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Focus RS is coming to the US ! http://blog.caranddriver.com/mega-hot-ford-focus-rs-hatchback-confirmed-for-america/ I wonder what will become of the ST, and what it means (if anything) for the FiST. Also, what kind of price tag it will have
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Dec 12, 2014 01:47
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The ST's will be fine. I would predict the RS isn't going to sell a ton of units, the price tag will probably be lower mid 30's to start with upper 30's for the top trim. There's not a huge market for a super hot AWD hatch.
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Dec 12, 2014 02:12
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The day it's officially announced, I mean actual confirmation, awd, turbos etc, I will stop buying stupid poo poo and start saving. I want to be the first AIer to own one.
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Dec 12, 2014 03:41
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skipdogg posted:The ST's will be fine. I would predict the RS isn't going to sell a ton of units, the price tag will probably be lower mid 30's to start with upper 30's for the top trim. There's not a huge market for a super hot AWD hatch. For sure. At that price I would have a hard time not picking up a WRX instead. Hopefully we wil get some hard numbers after the Detroit motor show.
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Dec 12, 2014 03:52
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Rhyno posted:The day it's officially announced, I mean actual confirmation, awd, turbos etc, I will stop buying stupid poo poo and start saving. I want to be the first AIer to own one. You'll have to beat me first 
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Dec 12, 2014 03:53
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Bovril Delight posted:You'll have to beat me first I'll beat you with a brick! For serious, we can be car bros. I've wanted a Focus RS since this  And it's about time we got a chance at them.
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Dec 12, 2014 03:55
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Rhyno posted:I'll beat you with a brick! Miatas, RSs, yessss I hope they offer some really obnoxious colors. I want a lime green one.
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Dec 12, 2014 04:01
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Bovril Delight posted:Miatas, RSs, yessss I want an orange so obnoxiously orange that burns retinas.
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Dec 12, 2014 04:03
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A smallish rear or AWD hatch with ~300 HP is pretty much my perfect vehicle and since Subaru has abandoned that space I'm glad VAG and possibly Ford are providing options.
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Dec 12, 2014 04:17
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God I hope Audi brings the new RS3 to the US as well.
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Dec 12, 2014 07:18
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Oh hey the hot hatch thread thread I bookmarked suddenly got more posts let's see what's up Oh my dream car is coming to this continent  E: actually now I'm curious about what those 12 new performance models within the next 5 years are going to be Sidesaddle Cavalry fucked around with this message at 10:30 on Dec 12, 2014 |
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Dec 12, 2014 09:43
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Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:Oh hey the hot hatch thread thread I bookmarked suddenly got more posts let's see what's up FiST RS and a new GT? I had a 2014 Focus ST and I got T boned by a driver on their cellphone. Went out looking for new one and ended up bringing home a 2015 Fiesta ST instead. This car is great. I was skeptical at first of the smaller car but this FiST feels so good. The FoST was great but it felt slightly out of control-- almost like someone just threw a bunch of performance upgrades on a Focus and never bothered to set the car up afterwards. More than a few times into a corner I'd get hard understeer and then suddenly rear end in a top hat-clenching oversteer. The FiST really feels designed from the ground up as a total package. Grip for days. It just does what you tell it to do.
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Dec 12, 2014 15:21
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8ender posted:God I hope Audi brings the new RS3 to the US as well. If they did it would be no poo poo 60K I don't think that would fly. Dealers around here have the S3 at 52k or so.
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Dec 12, 2014 15:34
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Grayly Squirrel posted:FiST RS and a new GT? I would say GT350R and new F150 Raptor are almost certain, but 12 new performances vehicles would be amazing. A FiST RS would be a blast, but a large drawl of the FiST was it's low price tag. If they could put out an RS that has say, 240-250 HP, AWD and say, a $25k price tag, I would find a way to buy it. Having dozens of trim levels, such as with the F150 and Mustang, must be working out for Ford, they are really on it right now
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Dec 12, 2014 15:48
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Grayly Squirrel posted:The FoST was great but it felt slightly out of control-- almost like someone just threw a bunch of performance upgrades on a Focus and never bothered to set the car up afterwards. More than a few times into a corner I'd get hard understeer and then suddenly rear end in a top hat-clenching oversteer. That's exactly how I felt when I drove the two cars back to back. I drove the Focus first, then the Fiesta and it wasn't even a choice in my mind. The only thing I liked about the Focus over the Fiesta is the interior room, obviously. The Fiesta is much more of a driver's car and feels that way from the ground up. The Focus has a weird clutch pedal, pretty impressive wheel hop and spin through third gear, feels a lot more nose heavy and not nearly as nimble. I guess I do like the nose of it a bit more, but not a fan of the center exit exhaust.
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Dec 12, 2014 20:38
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Mr-Spain posted:If they did it would be no poo poo 60K I don't think that would fly. Dealers around here have the S3 at 52k or so. But I need people with shitloads of extra income to buy these things so I can pick them up cheap 5 years from now.
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Dec 13, 2014 06:20
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If the FoRS is AWD and reasonably priced I think I'll ditch my plans to get a WRX and stay having only owned Fords. Plus it doesn't look like Subaru has any plans to bring back the WRK hatch in the near future and that is my biggest problem with it.
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Dec 13, 2014 06:40
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SFH1989 posted:If the FoRS is AWD and reasonably priced I think I'll ditch my plans to get a WRX and stay having only owned Fords. Plus it doesn't look like Subaru has any plans to bring back the WRK hatch in the near future and that is my biggest problem with it. Heh, i never even thought of the acronym. May the FoRS be with you. I think the FoRS being FWD would be the biggest dissapointment since the mustang II. The escape is on the same platform and is AWD. As is the MKC which already has the 2.3 bolted to the AWD system. It uses Haldex IV too, which has options for a center locking diff and eLSDs and such. They could make a track eating monster that actually rivals the STIEVO rather than a tire torching novelty. Considering how much effort was put into raptor/boss 302 performance, i'm hoping it's the former.
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Dec 13, 2014 23:49
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Prior versions of the RS have been FWD so I wouldn't be getting too stoked up. If it ends up AWD it will be extremely expensive (I would guess $40k) because the Focus isn't actually set up for AWD currently. Sure, the platform is capable, but it would require a lot of work and probably re-federalization. This is similar to why you can get a Challenger Hellcat manual and not the Charger.
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Dec 14, 2014 13:56
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I really miss having a hatch and can't afford any of the newer hot hatches so I've been thinking about possibly "making" my own. For awhile I've been wanting a second gen ZX3 Focus and recently they have been coming down in price big time with low miles. IIRC they are relatively cheap to make better as far as handling but I'm not so sure about engine stuff. Basically I would put most of the money into suspension and wheels/tires and maybe some bolt on poo poo for the engine (intake/header/exhaust) if it would even help at all......Any advice on these cars? I would most likely be rally crossing it and maybe auto crossing as well.
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Dec 14, 2014 23:48
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leica posted:I really miss having a hatch and can't afford any of the newer hot hatches so I've been thinking about possibly "making" my own. For awhile I've been wanting a second gen ZX3 Focus and recently they have been coming down in price big time with low miles. IIRC they are relatively cheap to make better as far as handling but I'm not so sure about engine stuff. Basically I would put most of the money into suspension and wheels/tires and maybe some bolt on poo poo for the engine (intake/header/exhaust) if it would even help at all......Any advice on these cars? I would most likely be rally crossing it and maybe auto crossing as well. I helped out with a low-dollar 2003 (so first gen, but should also apply) STF ZX3 build a few years ago. We started from a $400 ZX3 that was pre-riced by a succession of people (from high dollar/high quality all the way down to a guy who didn't know what part of the car "suspension" referred to, mounted three different kinds of tires, and was afraid to change the oil himself). Whatever was good was kept, all the other garbage got thrown out. It's now running top 10 raw times. It still has huge rust holes in the door, a kicked in hatch and looks like a total piece of poo poo. Power is a distraction, you can go incredibly far with suspension on a healthy Zetec motor - this one hasn't been changed one bit other than making sure it has good compression and doing the deferred maintenance of the last decade. You'd be surprised how much a decent bushing kit can improve your times as well, in ways you can't even perceive. The control blade rear end seems to get incredibly pissy when the wheel bearings are unhealthy as well, and starts having weird antics with toe adjustment near a traction limit. STF lets you remove some street niceties, but not too many - and it limits tire size. For rallycross I'd look into what classes the stock car qualifies in and what the competition is like there. One thing that was impressive to me was just how cheap dealer parts are - you can replace large chunks of the rear suspension with impunity instead of bothering to free up rusted bolts, it's so cheap. The entire SVT suspension drop-in kit is also available from the dealer and is stupid cheap. Seat Safety Switch fucked around with this message at 00:28 on Dec 15, 2014 |
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Dec 15, 2014 00:18
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Seat Safety Switch posted:The entire SVT suspension drop-in kit is also available from the dealer and is stupid cheap. That's what I remember, when Sockington had his Focus and did that upgrade.....Think he did rear discs too and some other stuff stupid cheap. I'd have to sell the Miata though so I'm kinda torn.....I could rally X the Miata but that would require a hard top which I have no room or extra $1k for. And in the hatch I could carry the rally tires, for the Miata I'd need a small trailer or would have to drive to the event on rally tires. I'm also into having good audio and hatches are perfect for that, while the Miata is just the opposite. I dunno, gonna have to think long and hard about it. Applebees Appetizer fucked around with this message at 00:40 on Dec 15, 2014 |
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Dec 15, 2014 00:37
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In sad hatch news, my father is putting his Golf TDI up for sale as the seating has become uncomfortable for him in his advancing age. It's a 2000 TDI GLS 5 speed manual with 309,000 miles, built in Germany, every receipt, a mpg/fuel log of every fillup, new tires, new timing change, tons of new bits, belts and hoses etc. I know for a fact that 75% of the mileage is highway. We're gonna shoot for $5000. I know it's high but I think we'll clear it just because of the regional hipster love of both VW and diesel.
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Dec 15, 2014 01:23
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That seems awfully high.
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Dec 15, 2014 03:56
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Yeah, I wouldn't pay that and I'm mildly retarded for well-loved high-mileage family haulers and TDI Golfs in particular. At least get it detailed.
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Dec 15, 2014 05:07
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Seat Safety Switch posted:
This should be the subtitle of so many threads.
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Dec 15, 2014 05:24
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leica posted:I really miss having a hatch and can't afford any of the newer hot hatches so I've been thinking about possibly "making" my own. For awhile I've been wanting a second gen ZX3 Focus and recently they have been coming down in price big time with low miles. IIRC they are relatively cheap to make better as far as handling but I'm not so sure about engine stuff. Basically I would put most of the money into suspension and wheels/tires and maybe some bolt on poo poo for the engine (intake/header/exhaust) if it would even help at all......Any advice on these cars? I would most likely be rally crossing it and maybe auto crossing as well. Co-worker recently scored a blobeye Impreza hatch for a grand with the intentions of making it a rally car. It had a scratched up fender and needed some maintenance but was otherwise ready to drive. If Sockington's Impreza is any indication they can be made to handle amazingly well with some suspension work.
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Dec 15, 2014 06:37
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8ender posted:Co-worker recently scored a blobeye Impreza hatch for a grand with the intentions of making it a rally car. It had a scratched up fender and needed some maintenance but was otherwise ready to drive. If Sockington's Impreza is any indication they can be made to handle amazingly well with some suspension work. I'd consider that If I wanted a dedicated rally car, but it would be my DD also and I really don't want an Impreza for my DD. One of the reasons I want a Focus also is I can get one in two door trim, I really want a 2 (3) door hatch in the worst way.
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Dec 15, 2014 18:41
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leica posted:I'd consider that If I wanted a dedicated rally car, but it would be my DD also and I really don't want an Impreza for my DD. I'm pretty sure you advised me to get into the fun car I wanted before it was too late or I'd regret it. ZX3's are restupidly cheap, you'd be silly not to get one. I mean, so cheap that you wouldn't have to get rid of anything. Remember how you found all the cheap Miata's in Florida for me? Well all the cheap ZX3s are in the midwest. There's a half dozen under $2500 in town at any given time. http://limaohio.craigslist.org/cto/4806314788.html http://limaohio.craigslist.org/cto/4795344776.html Both of these have been relisted several times. I'd be shocked if they wouldn't let either one go for $2000.
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Dec 16, 2014 00:18
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I had an 02 focus sedan for a summer - it ended up being a huge piece of poo poo with a ton of stupid little problems. All 4 wheel bearings went bad within a month, one of my springs cracked in half, and all 4 shocks were blown out, lots of rust issues, and lots of little electrical failures - however my friend had an 03 ZX3 from arizona and it was great so maybe my problems were completely rust belt related. Regardless of the issues I had, the handling on that car was outstanding, shifter was pretty decent, and the power was more than adequate from the 2.0 zetec. I just think ford used a lot of really sub standard, lowest bidder parts that generation which weren't designed to last more than 100K miles or against any sort of winter. I've owned many super high mileage cars, and I've never seen parts fail the way they did on that car, including a 350k+ mile 92' ford escort and 160K mile '99 ford escort.
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Dec 16, 2014 01:22
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The SVT's really were amazing to drive so that suspension kit is worth the money.
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Dec 16, 2014 01:25
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My father is going to drive me crazy. He has the Golf detailed (not super thoroughly, just a a quick clean up) and polished up. We haven't even taken the pictures of the car and but he tells some guys in his investment club he's going to finally part with the car and floated the $5K asking price. He got an offer for $4500 last night. He didn't accept it yet and is now feeling like he wants to keep the car instead.
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Dec 17, 2014 15:32
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Rhyno posted:I'm pretty sure you advised me to get into the fun car I wanted before it was too late or I'd regret it. ZX3's are restupidly cheap, you'd be silly not to get one. I mean, so cheap that you wouldn't have to get rid of anything. Remember how you found all the cheap Miata's in Florida for me? Well all the cheap ZX3s are in the midwest. There's a half dozen under $2500 in town at any given time. If I get one it's going to be nice with low miles '04 or newer. I know the earlier ones had issues but they got a lot better later on. Would have to sell the Miata though and I'm having a hard time digesting that right now.
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Dec 17, 2014 17:13
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leica posted:If I get one it's going to be nice with low miles '04 or newer. I know the earlier ones had issues but they got a lot better later on. I never really cared for the front end refresh they did in '04. If you're going to sell the Miata you may as well go all in and get an SVT Focus. I'm pondering hopping out of mine because of the $200+ a month I don't need to be spending on it
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Dec 17, 2014 17:17
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I'm pretty sure if you don't accept $4,500 for a 15 year old economy car with 300,000 miles, you really, really don't need that money (and could probably easily afford a new one).
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Dec 17, 2014 18:09
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Voltage posted:I'm pretty sure if you don't accept $4,500 for a 15 year old economy car with 300,000 miles, you really, really don't need that money (and could probably easily afford a new one). Dad can afford pretty much whatever he wants. He's just sentimental in his old age. He test drove a CTS-V and loved that but the seating isn't much better for his back.
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Dec 17, 2014 18:18
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Working at a Ford dealership, I'm gonna get a hella deal on a FiST or FoST. I'm leaning towards the FoST, but the FiST's price is pretty appealing. The FiST doesn't come in nuclear Kraft Dinner orange, though... I'm torn. Thoughts?
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Dec 18, 2014 04:27
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Have you test drove both? It comes down to taste really, FoST is bigger, has more power and a better aftermarket. The FiST feels more refined, gets better gas mileage, and has a lower purchase price. Both will put a grin on your face. I went with the FiST myself, but under the right circumstances I could have easily drove away in a FoST
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Dec 18, 2014 05:34
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Night Danger Moose posted:The FiST doesn't come in nuclear Kraft Dinner orange, though... I'm torn. Thoughts? It sure does!  Just drive them back to back.
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Dec 18, 2014 10:33
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BoostCreep posted:It sure does!  The FoST is looking the best to me right now, I'll probably be test driving it today. We don't have a FiST on the lot unfortunately.
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Dec 18, 2014 15:05
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