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Time Dilation is pretty loving incredible too. Fugue works amazingly with certain abilities though. The aforementioned Fugue + Light Manipulation rave party slaughters just about anything, and Fugue + Teleport causes your timeclones to spontaneously surround and brutally stomp stuff the turn after you summon them. If you also have Clairvoyance it basically becomes Summon Inescapable Super Ninjas, it owns. Fugue + Temporal Vortex is crazy in a bad way, but sufficiently hilarious to be worth trying at least once just for the sight of an entire level getting torn to pieces by a half-dozen time tornadoes that keep sucking up your idiot clones. The biggest piss-off about Temporal Fugue apart from the bad AoE AI is the wonky way it handles ammo. I tried making a gunslinger who summoned a posse to bury big enemies under a pile of lead, but it turns out your clones somehow consume bullets from your guns when they fire theirs, making the pistol posse an outright impossible build. Rated F- would not attempt again 
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Gunslingers seem impossible in general. Crafting ammo has hilariously low yields and the only normal pistol that's actually ammo efficient is unique. Laser pistols are pretty decent but not half as good as the energy rifles and overcharged laser pistols devour cells for little benefit over the regular ones. It's also kind of expensive to keep buying up As to recharge chem cells with.
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Fat Samurai posted:Does anyone have some good starting tips for Qud? I usually have a quick read of early game spoilers each time I start a new roguelike, but I cannot find a good source for this, and don't want to read the entire wiki. Everybody recommends mutants as a starter so i can offer some contrasting advice. I don't think they're necessarily stronger than a twinked out mutant, but starting as a true man centurion and building toward melee, rifles and tinkering is pretty ridiculous. Tinkering is pretty luck dependent, but if you find some good plans you can do ridiculous poo poo with it. My only real "winner" from long ago was true man centurion tinker who found a blueprint for a good power cell and some crazy ranged weapons, including eventually a phase cannon, i think. Maybe i just outright found a phase cannon, i forget.
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The only thing true men really have over mutants is their starting gear and only a few of classes really have that even. The extra stats don't help that much since you'll just go wider, not deeper. The skill points can make tinkering less painful but you don't need to mass produce weapons so the benefit of tinkering 2 and tinkering 3 is pretty marginal in the long run, especially given the rarity of the materials involved. Not to mention that Psychometry is really awesome on a tinker, letting you trivially learn how to make anything you'd want to mass produce.
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dis astranagant posted:Gunslingers seem impossible in general. Crafting ammo has hilariously low yields and the only normal pistol that's actually ammo efficient is unique. Laser pistols are pretty decent but not half as good as the energy rifles and overcharged laser pistols devour cells for little benefit over the regular ones. It's also kind of expensive to keep buying up As to recharge chem cells with. I've noticed the same. The whole idea with the Pistol Posse was to get around the horrifying ammunition grind by letting my clones shoot clone bullets, but it turns out that clone bullets aren't a real thing and Gunslingers are just not really sustainable unless you play them as knife-fighting Psychometry tinkers who occasionally shoot things. It's a shame, because they're fun as poo poo when they actually have bullets, and the design space for pistols is rad as hell. Makes me wish there was a pistol skill dedicated specifically to ammo management. Something that gives, say, a 50% chance to recover each slug from the target's corpse, and reduces the rate at which energy pistols deplete cell charge. That'd make them a bit less painful to play. I definitely agree that the yield for lead slug crafting could stand to be much better (also, why the heck does that recipe use scrap electronics and not scrap metal?). It'd be cool to see more variant ammunition types, too; I like the thought of turning scrap crystal into armour-piercing rounds and using phasic power systems to make crazy-rear end incendiary bullets. dis astranagant posted:The only thing true men really have over mutants is their starting gear and only a few of classes really have that even. The extra stats don't help that much since you'll just go wider, not deeper. The skill points can make tinkering less painful but you don't need to mass produce weapons so the benefit of tinkering 2 and tinkering 3 is pretty marginal in the long run, especially given the rarity of the materials involved. Not to mention that Psychometry is really awesome on a tinker, letting you trivially learn how to make anything you'd want to mass produce. Yeah, Psychometry is pretty much The Ultimate Thing for tinkers. Found a thing? You know how to make the thing. Make everything. If turrets correctly awarded experience to their creators I'd play mutant tinkers a lot more often. As is, turrets aren't even that useful as a panic button to help you escape, since they take several turns to build (and can't be disassembled, as far as I know). Angry Diplomat fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Dec 19, 2014 |
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ToxicFrog posted:Well, I just lost my most promising character so far -- level 7 and had visited both the Rust Wells and Red Rock without dying -- to the invalid save issue, so now seems like a good time to round up my notes. That problem is by far the worst bug of this version so far, btw; others are annoying or even potentially lethal but this just straight up ends a character and there doesn't seem to be any consistent way to trigger or avoid it, it just happens sometimes.  Got the save-load bug fixed. I'll post a build later this evening with that + whatever else I can clean up.
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dis astranagant posted:The only thing true men really have over mutants is their starting gear and only a few of classes really have that even. The extra stats don't help that much since you'll just go wider, not deeper. The skill points can make tinkering less painful but you don't need to mass produce weapons so the benefit of tinkering 2 and tinkering 3 is pretty marginal in the long run, especially given the rarity of the materials involved. Not to mention that Psychometry is really awesome on a tinker, letting you trivially learn how to make anything you'd want to mass produce. freehold games™ started to address this with cybernetics, but they're right on the fringes of coqs development, and the current ones are not terribly powerful. still! 
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I've never really had huge ammo problems in Qud, but I mostly only use guns as a fallback when my lasermans run out of eye lasers. And since my espers always start as merchants, and the shop in Joppa usually has a few hundred bullets in stock, I always have plenty of ammo. I had one guy who started mostly using guns when he randomly got the Force Bubble mutation, since it blocks eye lasers but not bullets. That run was pretty funny because I also had Temporal Fugue and Pyrokinesis. I would summon a few clones and suddenly half the level explode and the other half would be covered in impassable force fields. Sadly, that guy died when he tried to fight some goatfolk at low health and found out that force fields don't stop enemy grenades.
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The shop in Joppa usually has a couple dozen bullets of each type, definitely not hundreds. Gotta go to Grit Gate or Goatville for that. We were specifically discussing the gunslinger start, which uses dual pistols and goes through ammo like mad from lack of accuracy and armor penetration. Not to mention the possibility that you'll go through a dozen bullets in a single action.
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[CoQ Steam 12-19-2014] *Fixed an issue where games failed to load. *Fixed an issue where sidebar state (i.e. hitpoints) was not correctly refreshed at the start of a turn *Disabled some debug keys (that were causing the screen to stop refreshing for people) *Fixed an issue where you couldn't launch on 64-bit Linux from the steam client *Fixed keypad + and - being reversed in some cases *Changed options to use a json data file in the save directory instead of the windows registry *Removed registration check Have some keys ye scurvy dogs: V̶L̶F̶H̶W̶-̶L̶8̶M̶B̶Q̶-̶L̶C̶X̶2̶R̶ 4̶9̶7̶3̶C̶-̶5̶5̶Z̶G̶R̶-̶W̶E̶Y̶Y̶K̶ I̶X̶Y̶4̶8̶-̶6̶Q̶P̶J̶B̶-̶Z̶Q̶E̶P̶J̶ H̶Y̶3̶J̶P̶-̶W̶V̶V̶4̶6̶-̶X̶E̶7̶3̶W̶ 5̶K̶P̶6̶W̶-̶B̶J̶9̶R̶8̶-̶J̶W̶H̶L̶E̶ Unormal fucked around with this message at 00:10 on Dec 20, 2014 |
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Unormal posted:Have some keys ye scurvy dogs: Grabbed the last one in the list (5KP6W-BJ9R8-JWHLE) - thanks Unormal!
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Unormal posted:[CoQ Steam 12-19-2014] Snagged the one in the middle
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Got the one between those two, HY3JP-WVV46-XE73W.
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Grabbed the first one on the list. Thanks!
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Unormal posted:[CoQ Steam 12-19-2014] Grabbed one, thanks a ton!
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Fired it up, rolled an esper with light manipulation and well this happened Ambient light is toggled on and has 5 charges, not that you can tell here.
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dis astranagant posted:Fired it up, rolled an esper with light manipulation and well this happened [CoQ Steam 12-19-2014] *Fixed light manipulation not manipulating light
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Does Nuclear Throne have its own thread yet? Now that there's the daily challenges it's probably worth having one if not.
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hito posted:Does Nuclear Throne have its own thread yet? Now that there's the daily challenges it's probably worth having one if not.
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maybe we should just have a roguelike daily challenges thread for all the daily challenges stuff
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Tollymain posted:maybe we should just have a roguelike daily challenges thread for all the daily challenges stuff Brogue 
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does brogue have daily challenges now?
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i just started up unreal world and even with the tutorial task things i'm not even remotely sure what all i can do. e: i don't think i can be a cool wilderness witch and to be honest that's some bullshit
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Tollymain posted:does brogue have daily challenges now? Not exactly, but I remember they were doing same-seed challenges on the forum, I'm not sure if it became an 'official' integrated feature or anything, would be trivial to set up. I kind of gave up on Brogue though, it's a great game, but gently caress pet management forever.
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victrix posted:Not exactly, but I remember they were doing same-seed challenges on the forum, I'm not sure if it became an 'official' integrated feature or anything, would be trivial to set up. I generally ignore the pets, or treat them as expendable eel-distractors in the early game. They're not the game breaker that they used to be, that's for sure.
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victrix posted:I kind of gave up on Brogue though, it's a great game, but gently caress pet management forever.
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I preferred the ally management before the version where you had to get the special wands to boost their levels. I preferred the seeming randomness (because i never kept track) of when they'd get enough xp to learn a new skill and be stronger to "well i have to find one of those wands or a recharging scroll again".
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Unormal posted:[CoQ Steam 12-19-2014] Lovely  I will likely be playing a bunch of this over the holidays while out in the boonies with no reliable net connection.
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[CoQ Steam 12-20-2014] *Fixed liquid volumes not rendering properly *Fixed gas volumes not rendering properly *Fixed the unity shell thread not terminating when the gameplay terminates *Fixed the disable floor textures option not working *Fixed Clairvoyance not updating properly *Fixed hidden objects (i.e. young ivories) not being properly hidden *Fixed night vision goggles not working properly *Fixed fireflies displaying improperly *Fixed smoking piles not smoking correctly *Fixed some quest steps not firing correctly *Fixed darkvision not working properly *Fixed a bunch of other things not rendering properly
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playing sil, i found a 9.5 lb greatsword but i only have 2 strength; other than the strength capstone for the melee skill abilities, is there any other way in the game to gain strength?
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potions will buff it temporarily which can be useful to get out of a tight situation if you happen to be packing a monster weapon you can't usually make the most out of.
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Tower of Guns is one of those games that has various silly messages when loading levels. One of them is "Defining "Roguelike..."". Is the guy that made Tower of Guns a goon? 
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The definition of a roguelike has been a Thing since like the 90s, it's not a goon litmus test.
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neongrey posted:The definition of a roguelike has been a Thing since like the 90s, it's not a goon litmus test. Speaking of which. It's not a roguelike if it's not in ASCII. Imajustsayin'... 
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How do I get access to the caves of qud beta thing?
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Robot Randy posted:How do I get access to the caves of qud beta thing? Watch the thread like a hawk for one of Unormal's giveaway posts 
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Robot Randy posted:How do I get access to the caves of qud beta thing? Be a bot.
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Unormal posted:[CoQ Steam 12-20-2014] * Delete on the load game screen doesn't do anything but produce an "unknown keycode Delete" message in the log * Loading this save, which is one of the ones that was unloadable until you fixed that issue, produces four "ThawZone exception on clipboard" messages. The log is included and the four corresponding exceptions are all IO.FileNotFoundExceptions looking for things called "ZoneCache\JoppaWorl.X.Y.Z.Q.R.zone" * Possibly related to the above: \ is not a path separator on any platform except windows and saving something to "ZoneCache\JoppaWorld.17.23.1.1.10.zone" gets you a file with that name, including a backslash. E: * Status effect "frozen" doesn't show up in the sidebar, as far as I can tell the only way to know that you're frozen is to try to move and get the "frozen solid" message * Harvesting always says "you harvest a <food item>" even if you actually harvested, say, 8 of them * The resulting food is added to your inventory one at a time, spamming the log with "you take the ____". ToxicFrog fucked around with this message at 02:07 on Dec 21, 2014 |
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Im_Special posted:Be a bot. I'm no bot and I got in.
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Tollymain posted:playing sil, i found a 9.5 lb greatsword but i only have 2 strength; other than the strength capstone for the melee skill abilities, is there any other way in the game to gain strength? Stat boosts are very rare in sil and str is especially hard to increase. You mostly have to rely on temporary buffs or luck out and find lots of str boosting items. In general you'll never have enough strength to get the full bonus on heavy weapons (except for mithril ones), so instead you need to take advantage of abilities like charge to get the most of it. You can also use smithing to get huge stat boosts, but you're probably better of stacking con if you go that route.
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