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| Golf GTI / R / R32 |
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196 | 0.02% |
| Impreza WRX / STi |
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133 | 0.01% |
| Mazdaspeed 3 |
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92 | 0.01% |
| Veloster Turbo |
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20 | 0.00% |
| Focus ST |
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149 | 0.01% |
| Other Hot Hatch |
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230 | 0.02% |
| Elantra GT |
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1000001 | 99.92% |
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Night Danger Moose posted:Naw, I meant this: Tangerine Scream! The best name for a color.
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Dec 18, 2014 15:22
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Night Danger Moose posted:Naw, I meant this: The Tangerine Scream is a fantastic color. However, the Molten Orange on the FiST looks absolutely incredible in the sunlight. I wish they made both colors available for both cars.
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Dec 18, 2014 15:26
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Has anyone spent time in the gtd? How was it for you? I ask because if things work out, I'll need a new or new to me car for a nearly daily 80 mile one way trip in a year or so, so I want to have some good mileage with my fun.
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Dec 18, 2014 17:32
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I enjoyed driving the FiST around a race track more than I did a FoST, but I hated getting in and out of it (and it wasn't the roll bar's fault) and I wouldn't want one for a daily driver. If I won the lotto I would totally get one for track use though.
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Dec 18, 2014 17:46
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I am guessing the new GTI is the roomies of the hot hatches, would it be acceptable for a real tall driver with 2 car seats in the back or is that just insanity?
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Dec 18, 2014 19:01
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Atmus posted:I enjoyed driving the FiST around a race track more than I did a FoST, but I hated getting in and out of it (and it wasn't the roll bar's fault) and I wouldn't want one for a daily driver.
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Dec 18, 2014 19:24
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priznat posted:I am guessing the new GTI is the roomies of the hot hatches, would it be acceptable for a real tall driver with 2 car seats in the back or is that just insanity? I'm 6'2"[190.5 cm] and it feels perfectly fine for me in the SE version with leather seats and a manual transmission. Back seat is plenty roomy for a couple car seats I assume, I would have no occasion to test that though.
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Dec 18, 2014 19:50
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Hmm good info. I tried out a FoST and it was definitely too small for me even without the car seats. I'm 6'8" so jamming myself in there can be a problem sometimes. Might go a bit bigger to a wagon or whatever the Benz b class is considered. Definitely don't want a minivan or suv/cuv etc.
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Dec 18, 2014 19:57
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Atmus posted:I enjoyed driving the FiST around a race track more than I did a FoST, but I hated getting in and out of it (and it wasn't the roll bar's fault) and I wouldn't want one for a daily driver. Is it a height issue? I'm 6'2 and don't have any problems getting in or out of my Fiesta. It's actually the first car I've owned in many years that I'm keeping as a daily driver for longer than a year. Somehow I like it better than my 2012 Evo, 2009 STI, 2006 S2000, and 2013 Jeep Grand Cherokee. As a daily driver.
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Dec 18, 2014 21:34
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priznat posted:I am guessing the new GTI is the roomies of the hot hatches, would it be acceptable for a real tall driver with 2 car seats in the back or is that just insanity? 6'3" here but no kids, so I guess it's a question of how far the seats/kids stick past the bottom of the back seat. As long as they're in car seats, I think it'd be fine. I definitely have to move my seat up to get an adult back there, but kids in car seats might be okay depending on age. e: or if you're like 6'8" or something freakishly tall
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Dec 18, 2014 21:45
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ilkhan posted:If I won the lotto I'd be looking at dedicated track cars, not a fiesta. If I won the lotto, I'd have my own hangar sized garage on my own personal track with several dedicated track cars, one of which being a track modified Fiesta ST. BoostCreep posted:Is it a height issue? I'm 6'2 and don't have any problems getting in or out of my Fiesta. It's actually the first car I've owned in many years that I'm keeping as a daily driver for longer than a year. Somehow I like it better than my 2012 Evo, 2009 STI, 2006 S2000, and 2013 Jeep Grand Cherokee. As a daily driver. I'm 6'2 as well and it was more of a 'gently caress you for having knees' issue, but it might as well have been a 'gently caress you for thinking you have to fall into a Fiesta the same way you have to fall into a Focus' issue. It could have been that I didn't have enough time to learn how to get in and out of the car properly, as it took me a couple days to get it right for the Focus. Coming from 80's F-series as daily drivers, it took some practice.
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Dec 19, 2014 16:56
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So I took notice of some incentives that Ford is offering at the moment, and am honestly pretty close to going for a Fiesta ST (while I can still get at least some money for my current car). I checked with my Dad, who has a Consumer Reports subscription, and apparently they gave ST a pretty damning review recently. Supposedly they claimed the acceleration is far less than they expected, and it's rife with mechanical problems. He's out of town right now and can't send me the review, so it's possible he wasn't reading it right (like it may have been a review for one of the non-ST trims, though I'd imagine reliability at least would be pretty consistent). Can anyone comment on this review? I hate to ask this, since this car seems to be pretty universally loved, but is it a reliable car? Especially if I'm going to buy the thing new, I don't want it to crap its pants in 3 years.
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Dec 19, 2014 22:06
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I have a CS sub and looked it up, it scores a 74 which is decent:quote:Cars that are frugal, affordable, and easy to park don't have to be boring to drive. That's clearly the message of Ford's hot hatch, the subcompact Fiesta ST. It's a sporty makeover of the conventional Fiesta that seems to have had the in-house tuners working late into the night. And the results have given this unassuming-looking mini car a distinctively oversized personality. Seems like a very positive review IMO.
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Dec 19, 2014 22:19
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It's acceleration is excellent - way quicker than anything in it's class, so thats bullshit. It's a 2,600lbs hatchback with 200hp and 220~ ft-lbs of torque, it's slow compared to a real sports car, but it's definitely the fastest subcompact I know of. As far as reliability, I've done about 15K on mine this year, and not a single problem, and I absolutely flog on mine every time I drive it. I wouldn't trust consumer reports - go with the advice of about every credible automotive journalist who raves about it, and slapped it on just about every "best car of the year" list I can think of. It's definitely the best car I've owned for sure - I can't think of many downsides - the low profile tires are the only thing I really don't like. It's stiff but thats the way I like my hot hatches. Just make sure to get the Recaro seats. edit: re: the above review - you have to be at least 350lbs not to fit in the recaro seats, and they break in after a month or so very nicely - my ford touch is not bad at all, but the voice commands are absolutely, hilariously useless. I also average about 20-24MPG because I actually drive the car like it's meant to be driven - I've never even hit 30mpg, let alone average it - so the person reviewing it sounds like a very, very fat person who drove the car slowly. Voltage fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Dec 19, 2014 |
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Dec 19, 2014 22:24
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The only thing I don't like about the Fiesta/Focus ST is the interior styling - just way too much going on for my tastes. Then again maybe I'm just old and grumpy.
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Dec 19, 2014 22:35
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I find with the recaro type seats if you're outside the average height the bolsters can be in uncomfortable spots. Don't even have to be too wide, in my case since I'm tall the headrest sides would just dig into my shoulder blades. Granted I'm well outside the norm height wise but it's a consideration even if you're moderately tall, depends on torso length etc.
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Dec 19, 2014 22:37
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I am a skinny bitch so I'm down with Recaro seats, my problem with the interior (granted, FoST) is that it's basically sculpted around you like a cockpit. There is quite a lot going on but there's also quite a bit of wasted space forward of the steering wheel and dash. I am only 5'10 and I bang my knees on the dashboard when I get in and out because of how the headlight control sticks out. I don't know how else to describe the center console beyond "there's no loving place to put my cell phone" 
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Dec 19, 2014 22:43
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Voltage posted:I wouldn't trust consumer reports - go with the advice of about every credible automotive journalist who raves about it, and slapped it on just about every "best car of the year" list I can think of. I know it's a well-liked car; that's the reason I'm interested in it. I just can't help but notice that there's not a peep to be heard about reliability. I know Fords in general have been said to be pretty unreliable recently....is that changing? Granted, the car hasn't been around that long, so long-term data isn't really available, but has anyone seen much info on at least short-term quality? I really, really want to buy this car, but I'm coming from a car where "scheduled maintenance" means "thousands of dollars", and I just can't afford that on top of monthly payments.
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Dec 20, 2014 00:12
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Capn Jobe posted:I know Fords in general have been said to be pretty unreliable recently....is that changing? This statement seems misinformed.
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Dec 20, 2014 01:08
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Voltage posted:I wouldn't trust consumer reports - go with the advice of about every credible automotive journalist who raves about it, and slapped it on just about every "best car of the year" list. This is a pretty comedy statement. Ignoring that CR is really a magazine for appliance shoppers, it's really the only credible automotive magazine there is because it isn't engaged in the racket that is automotive journalism.
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Dec 20, 2014 01:56
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I'm a little over 15k miles and I've had no problems. I frequent a FiST forum, and the only widespread complaints I can think of are that some of the very early 2014 FiST's had a clutch that went defective extremely early (within a few hundred miles) and the fact that the "Oil Life" monitor cannot be reset. You are suppose to be able to reset it by following the manual's instruction, but it simply does not work on the ST, so there are alot of us running around with 0% oil life left. I haven't checked if this is something they fixed on the '15, but I would hope so. e; also brake pads were (are?) difficult to find. Last time I checked, the OEM pads were on 'national backorder' , and the aftermarket doesn't have many options yet. Dr.Caligari fucked around with this message at 03:56 on Dec 20, 2014 |
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Dec 20, 2014 03:53
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Capn Jobe posted:I know it's a well-liked car; that's the reason I'm interested in it. I just can't help but notice that there's not a peep to be heard about reliability. I know Fords in general have been said to be pretty unreliable recently....is that changing? Granted, the car hasn't been around that long I don't know how you're going to get reliability reports on a car that's only been out for a year in the US. Just word of mouth. Mine has almost 9k effortless miles, and I do not treat my cars kindly. Capn Jobe posted:I really, really want to buy this car, but I'm coming from a car where "scheduled maintenance" means "thousands of dollars", and I just can't afford that on top of monthly payments. I opted for the maintenance package. Everything from oil changes to major scheduled service is "free" for 100k miles or whatever the service period is, and it costs $7 extra a month. Skip that extra skinny soy latte once a month and you don't have to worry about "thousands of dollars" of scheduled maintenance.
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Dec 20, 2014 04:30
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Our FiST is just about to pass 18k and the only annoyance has been some creaking/clicking of the clutch pedal and some interior rattles. How bad that is depends on the person I guess. Ford replaced the clutch pedal assembly which was a little overkill in my mind and the sound still happens.
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Dec 20, 2014 15:22
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Cool, thanks for all the encouragement. I was on the charge last night, and stopped at two dealers on my way home from work, hoping to actually see one. None to be had, though other dealers in the area have them. Anyway, one place had a pair of very well-equipped 2014 Focus STs. They're still there because they're asking $29-30k for them, which is outrageous. I figure I could talk them down to somewhere in the low 20s. In some ways I'd rather have the Focus, mostly for the storage space, but would rather save a few grand. Supposing I could get one of these at a price comparable to a 2015 Fiesta, is that a worthy option?
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Dec 20, 2014 21:08
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Capn Jobe posted:I figure I could talk them down to somewhere in the low 20s. In some ways I'd rather have the Focus, mostly for the storage space, but would rather save a few grand. Supposing I could get one of these at a price comparable to a 2015 Fiesta, is that a worthy option? You might get an ST1 for low 20's. A new ST2 or ST3 at low 20's would be an unparalleled deal. Most people don't do much better than Ford X-Plan pricing, which for an ST3 is about $25k (before TTL) give or take ~$500-$1000 in additional incentives. To put it into perspective, I bought a used, but fully-loaded ST3 in 2013 for $23,204 when they were still fairly uncommon and in high demand. My total was $25,200 after TTL. bobfather fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Dec 20, 2014 |
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Dec 20, 2014 22:42
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After years of lovely tyres I finally sprung for some Michelin PS3's on my Golf GTI. Feels like a different (and 10x more fun) car.
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Dec 21, 2014 08:55
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I've made my decision on my next car. In march I'm trading the FR-S for a FiST and getting myself an old early 90s miata as a project car. I test drove the Fiesta ST a week ago and it was so much fun to drive. It was just as fun as the FR-S and much more comfortable. The shifter feels great. Whatever they do with torque vectoring really takes away the boring parts of front wheel drive and makes this car a joy to just whip around. It's going to be a difficult 3 months.
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Dec 22, 2014 17:44
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The "reliability" issues with recent Ford's comes from the My Ford Touch malfunctioning. It's the only issue my mom's used '13 2.0 EB Escape has had. Most reliability surveys count all issues the same so a light bulb going out is the same as a transmission failing.
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Dec 22, 2014 17:58
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SFH1989 posted:The "reliability" issues with recent Ford's comes from the My Ford Touch malfunctioning. It's the only issue my mom's used '13 2.0 EB Escape has had. Most reliability surveys count all issues the same so a light bulb going out is the same as a transmission failing. I'm sure that's the case. For me personally MFT has been pretty fine. Has occasional issues with slow responding, but certainly by the time the FoST came out most of the issues were already hammered out. Also, I suppose if you buy a 2016 model year Ford it will come with whatever new in-dash OS they're using now instead of MFT.
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Dec 22, 2014 18:03
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I was looking at "mild hatches" because I'm a poor and noticed that ford are being dicks by restricting paint color by trim level. You can only get black, white, or grey on the fiesta S. Also all the other brands I looked at have a 6 speed available regardless of trim, but ford only has the 6 on the ST trim.
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Dec 22, 2014 18:04
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Occasionally on mine the MFT would totally lock up for a while, I'm not sure if it was updating or what. Anyway, I couldn't turn the station, adjust the volume or even turn it off. I'm thinking maybe one of the updates fixed this, as it hasn't done it in a while. I was kind of worried I would pick the kids up from school one day and I would be stuck in the car with a couple elementary kids listening to Howard Stern talk about dicks
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Dec 22, 2014 18:08
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GutBomb posted:I've made my decision on my next car. In march I'm trading the FR-S for a FiST and getting myself an old early 90s miata as a project car. I test drove the Fiesta ST a week ago and it was so much fun to drive. It was just as fun as the FR-S and much more comfortable. The shifter feels great. Whatever they do with torque vectoring really takes away the boring parts of front wheel drive and makes this car a joy to just whip around. It's going to be a difficult 3 months. You just stay away from Road America.
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Dec 22, 2014 19:26
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SperginMcBadposter posted:I was looking at "mild hatches" because I'm a poor and noticed that ford are being dicks by restricting paint color by trim level. You can only get black, white, or grey on the fiesta S. Also all the other brands I looked at have a 6 speed available regardless of trim, but ford only has the 6 on the ST trim. Yeah why would you need a 6 speed at all on a 90 hp econo car? And I don't know what you're talking about. I see green and orange fiesta/focuses all the freakin' time. I get excited cause they look like ST colors from afar and then when I get close they aren't.
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Dec 22, 2014 21:21
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GutBomb posted:I've made my decision on my next car. In march I'm trading the FR-S for a FiST and getting myself an old early 90s miata as a project car. I test drove the Fiesta ST a week ago and it was so much fun to drive. It was just as fun as the FR-S and much more comfortable. The shifter feels great. Whatever they do with torque vectoring really takes away the boring parts of front wheel drive and makes this car a joy to just whip around. It's going to be a difficult 3 months. Why would you do all the mods just to get rid of the car in a few months?
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Dec 22, 2014 21:32
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Well VW announced pricing on the new R. The dealership I normally use is ordering a bunch but they're only going to be blue/dsg/nav/tech and be around 39600  The manual transmission won't be available until 2016. VWOA is so hateful.
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Dec 22, 2014 22:05
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Bob A Feet posted:Yeah why would you need a 6 speed at all on a 90 hp econo car? And I don't know what you're talking about. I see green and orange fiesta/focuses all the freakin' time. I get excited cause they look like ST colors from afar and then when I get close they aren't. This is based off of the "build your own" option on ford's site. The non-lovely colors are locked in SE trim and higher. Also the non-ST trims are 120hp not 90, and about the same weight as my zx2, so I would consider them semi-sporty which would be nice with a 6 speed.
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Dec 22, 2014 22:51
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If anything the less power you have the more gears you need lovely cellphone picture:  The 3 is mine, the (old shape) Fiesta ST my dads and the (brand new) Focus ST you can just see the arse end of is my aunts. My mums Swift Sport is there too, but you can't really see it. Hatches are awesome
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Dec 22, 2014 23:18
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veedubfreak posted:Well VW announced pricing on the new R. The dealership I normally use is ordering a bunch but they're only going to be blue/dsg/nav/tech and be around 39600 Now you know what it feels like being a Subaru fan.  Then again, you at least know that a manual AWD hot hatch is in the works so you don't have it nearly as bad. Whereas every official line from SOA and FHI has been that there is no plans to bring back the WRX hatchback.  I'm fairly certain that they'll do it eventually but will they do it soon enough? Hopefully, they'll have something out by 2016 and throw us a bone in the form of news before this summer.
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Dec 22, 2014 23:47
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Bovril Delight posted:Why would you do all the mods just to get rid of the car in a few months? Mods are fun. I need a car that is fun but will also fit my wife and rear facing baby seat in it. The FiST without recaros will work just fine for that. The back seat in the FR-S is to small to fit the baby seat and someone in the front seat because it has a tunnel going through the middle of the back seats.
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I really don't think you'll comfortably fit a baby seat into a Fiesta (any Fiesta) - definitely check that out.
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