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muscles like this? posted:Is that also supposed to explain the missing mustache? If I remember right, her transformation was going to be explained by a gamma genetic matrix based on her father. Because LOEB.
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SirDan3k posted:It's one of those holdovers of when you could keep a lid on twists, really all serial media needs to get over that and just solider on when a twist gets spoiled. If you're telling your story well, then having the twist spoiled doesn't matter.
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muscles like this? posted:Is that also supposed to explain the missing mustache? That is so annoying, we missed a chance for a hulk with a mustache.
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Dec 25, 2014 08:49
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Skwirl posted:That is so annoying, we missed a chance for a hulk with a mustache. He had a mustache in the What If General Ross Became the Hulk? one-shot. Recently I discovered that Mr. Hyde created the vanishing mustache gimmick back in the 60's. It appears I owe Loeb an apology.
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Dec 25, 2014 09:59
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It's a real travesty cus Red Hulk would look so much cooler (and more distinct) with a mustache and graying hair.
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Dec 25, 2014 17:09
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Bam! Merry Christmas. Thunderbolts #31, page 19.
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Dec 25, 2014 17:25
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Hell yeah, he's even got liver spots This is great
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Dec 25, 2014 17:30
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So I heard something about Axis changing Wanda and Pietro's backstories, what did it do?
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muscles like this? posted:So I heard something about Axis changing Wanda and Pietro's backstories, what did it do? They're not Magneto's kids. It's pretty obvious that the change happened so they can make Wanda and Pietro not mutants since the movie versions of Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver won't be mutants thanks to Fox still having the X-Men film rights.
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Dec 26, 2014 23:33
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muscles like this? posted:So I heard something about Axis changing Wanda and Pietro's backstories, what did it do? Magneto is not their father. Either he's been lying to them for years to manipulate them for his own gains or whomever told Magneto they were his kids lied, either way it's yet to be explored more. Just more dumb editorial decisions to line things up with Age of Ultron coming out.
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Dec 26, 2014 23:36
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What ended up being the Last Will and Testament of Charles Xavier? I haven't kept up.
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Uthor posted:What ended up being the Last Will and Testament of Charles Xavier? I haven't kept up. Keep an eye on this super powerful mutant I brainwashed against his will. If you mean who gets the school then no, the story has not finished. But now it has time travel! Aphrodite fucked around with this message at 01:31 on Dec 27, 2014 |
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Dec 27, 2014 01:22
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Aphrodite posted:Keep an eye on this super powerful mutant I brainwashed against his will. K, I'll ask again once the story wraps up!
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Dec 27, 2014 01:52
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Aphrodite posted:Keep an eye on this super powerful mutant I brainwashed against his will.
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Dec 27, 2014 03:27
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Waterhaul posted:Magneto is not their father. Either he's been lying to them for years to manipulate them for his own gains or whomever told Magneto they were his kids lied, either way it's yet to be explored more. Just more dumb editorial decisions to line things up with Age of Ultron coming out. Speaking of editorial decisions, I was wondering about the history of reader input on storylines. The big example I can think of is Jason Todd getting killed, but have there been other similar reader votes? Would something like that ever happen today when it seems like the writer's integrity holds a lot more value for the fans?
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Dec 27, 2014 06:21
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A Strange Aeon posted:Speaking of editorial decisions, I was wondering about the history of reader input on storylines. The big example I can think of is Jason Todd getting killed, but have there been other similar reader votes? Would something like that ever happen today when it seems like the writer's integrity holds a lot more value for the fans? The Marvel vs DC stuff that lead up to Amalgam is probably the biggest one I can think of
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A Strange Aeon posted:Speaking of editorial decisions, I was wondering about the history of reader input on storylines. The big example I can think of is Jason Todd getting killed, but have there been other similar reader votes? Would something like that ever happen today when it seems like the writer's integrity holds a lot more value for the fans? - As mentioned by Opopanax, Marvel vs. DC. - Contest of Champions II, which was Marvel trying to redo the "magic" of Marvel vs. DC with their own roster. Actually had Deadpool defeat Daredevil despite taking place in the late-90's. - Young Justice had the fans vote on who would be the team's leader. I don't think this really had any real effect on the story. - Back when Mark Millar was writing Wolverine, Marvel put up a poll on their site asking who he should fight next, presumably so that Millar would have to write that story. Mac Gargan Venom was killing it with the votes, but Millar went online and asked his fans not to vote Venom because he just wrote a story with him and was Venom'd out. He wanted them to vote Blade, but Bullseye ended up winning instead. Then that story never happened. - Shocker was voted to join the Jeff Parker Thunderbolts. He did absolutely nothing and snuck away so quietly that it took me several issues to realize he wasn't even in the comic anymore. - Speaking of Thunderbolts, Wizard had a "design a villain" contest back in the late-90's where the winner's character would show up in the pages of Thunderbolts. That turned out to be Charcoal, who later joined the team. There was a huge legal situation with the contest, so when Fabian Nicieza temporarily destroyed him with intent on having him easily reform and come back, editorial told him to keep him dead.
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Also in Thunderbolts, a character showed up that was originally made in a 70's Make a Character Contest that never actually got used until then.
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Wasn't a voting situation, but that whole Monarch reveal in the Armageddon crossover is an example of readers influencing editors and writers. All signs point to Captain Atom being Monarch, but no that would spoil the suprise. So let's make it so its actually Hawk who has a completely different power set, but now we realize how little sense that makes, so let's make Captain Atom into Monarch and change the previous Monarch into another character entirely. Just to keep it a surprise.
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Dec 27, 2014 09:23
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Aphrodite posted:Keep an eye on this super powerful mutant I brainwashed against his will. Holy poo poo, I forgot all about this. How did Bendis go from one of my favorite writers to a name I'm coming to dread?
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Mister Nobody posted:Wasn't a voting situation, but that whole Monarch reveal in the Armageddon crossover is an example of readers influencing editors and writers. Monarch's identity was spoiled I'm the solicitations for Armageddon 2001 #2.
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Dec 27, 2014 10:04
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Wolverine is still alive in X-Men because of how long this story is taken.
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A Strange Aeon posted:Speaking of editorial decisions, I was wondering about the history of reader input on storylines. The big example I can think of is Jason Todd getting killed, but have there been other similar reader votes? The Legion of Super-Heroes used to feature in-story elections for their leader which were actually decided by fan vote. They started doing it in 1968, and continued it up until the Bierbaum/Giffen run. And I guess Levitz has brought it back in recent years?
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Dec 27, 2014 14:26
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Aphrodite posted:Keep an eye on this super powerful mutant I brainwashed against his will. It's actually more like "Keep an eye on this super powerful mutant I brainwashed, because he asked me to as he couldn't live with the thought of what he became." When viewed in the grand scheme of things, what Chuck did wasn't that bad. Especially when you compare it to the Illumanti ("Man Cap isn't towing our party line. MIND WIPE HIM!") or Axis ("Yeah we have a spell that's designed to turn bad people good. Let's use it. No we'll never discuss the ethics of what we've done.") As for readers influence, would you count readers making a character so popular that the Comic Company's had to do stuff/change plans with them? Because there has been a load like that. (Nearly anytime a villain has become an anti-hero it's as a result of that. Like Sabertooth or Venom. ) Or characters being brought back from the dead due to reader's wanting them back. (Damian Wayne.) And I think all the stuff that happened with Xorn (post Morrison's run) was at least because readers like Xorn and didn't like the idea that he was a disguise and nothing else.
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Dec 27, 2014 15:28
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The Question IRL posted:Or characters being brought back from the dead due to reader's wanting them back. (Damian Wayne.) Wait this has happened?
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Dec 27, 2014 15:55
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Goatmask posted:Wait this has happened? He returned to life last week.
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I assumed that was Morrison's grand plan. Was it really just giving in to demand?
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Chinaman7000 posted:I assumed that was Morrison's grand plan. Was it really just giving in to demand? More like DC editorial wanted him back. Tomasi helmed the entire return story. I think the other books each had what, one issue of Batman really mourning and then it was back to the grind/ B&R's whole focus has been Bruce dealing with his grief and deciding to get Damian back.
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Dec 27, 2014 16:15
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That's kinda weird. But good info to know, at least it seems the execution was pretty satisfying.
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Dec 27, 2014 16:17
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Chinaman7000 posted:That's kinda weird. But good info to know, at least it seems the execution was pretty satisfying. I certainly felt that it was. B&R has remained my favorite Bat-book since the N52 relaunch.
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I decided to dig through old Usenet posts about Armageddon 2001 and wow, not a lot of people talking comics on the Internet in 1991. At least not compared to now. What's funny is after the Armageddon 2001 #1 bookend came out, the consensus on the Internet was that Monarch was clearly Booster Gold, and Jurgens was reclaiming him from Giffen's silliness. Other people were convinced it might be an attempt to make Aquaman 'serious', or that it might be Batman or "maybe a woman, that would be surprising and good". By the end of the summer everyone was convinced it was either Captain Atom or Booster Gold for a variety of reasons. Then in July FUNNYBOOK INSIDERS tipped their hand. Jim Cowling posted:A number of places; people in the know on GENie have confirmed it...the most recent DC release shows the cover to A2001 #2, which has Waverider and Captain Atom surrounded by a bunch of heroes from the JLE, etc etc etc. I've seen so When it was Hank Hall, a lot of people were upset, some tried to defend it. quote:I haven't read A2001 #2 yet, but from what I've read about the ending, I can only applaud DC actually killing off a major character. I'm so happy its going to be Dove. I hated that comic, the only reason I read it was to see if they did anything good with the Lords of Order and Chaos schtick. Hawk was a rather obvious choice, I guess he was chosen because he was so obvious. You gotta admit it fooled a lot of people (myself included). quote:At the risk of being royally flamed by the entire rec.arts.comics readership, I think that this series epitomizes a major problem in the comics world today: The readers take them just too damned seriously. And to see all the readers (including myself) get TOTALLY sucked into the Captain Atom is Monarch bit was a riot. How many times does the hype for a comic say, "You won't believe it!", or "We guarantee you'll be surprised" only to deliver another predictable storyline? This time, they actually surprised me! I had my expectations all set for the usual "shocker", telegraphed as always, and then they throw a real live curve at me. That alone made it worth it. Jim Cowling posted:HAWK?!?!?!?!?!? Holy poo poo. I'll tell ya, they had me fooled BIG TIME. Their disinformation campaign to the retailers was incredible, however. From the 1991 DC Editorial Presentation: "Now, the list has been narrowed down to a member of Justice League Europe..." It takes like two months for someone to ask: quote:Anybody think that MAYBE DC changed its mind at the last minute to whom Monarch is ? Why all of the fake trail for Atom (cap) when it was originally him until the entire world guessed it early in the series.
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Dec 27, 2014 16:37
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To be fair, 1991 was the year the internet hit 1 million users worldwide, so there wasn't a lot of people using it then, in general. Granted, the number of comic readers were probably a greater proportion of that 1 million than the general population, but it still probably wasn't a lot of them.
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Dec 27, 2014 19:04
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In regards to readers voting for something, there was the whole Marvelle debacle with U Decide. Can't remember the details. Something to do with Jemas betting PAD that he could sell more comics or something.
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Dec 27, 2014 19:33
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Madkal posted:In regards to readers voting for something, there was the whole Marvelle debacle with U Decide. Can't remember the details. Something to do with Jemas betting PAD that he could sell more comics or something.
Joe Quesada's Ultimate Adventures Bill Jemas's Marville Here's a decent write-up. Bill Jemas's book lost, but to the best of my knowledge he never got into a dunk tank. For that matter, I think Jemas was on his way out (Dan Buckley was officially appointed publisher in October 2003, Jemas stuck around until mid-2004, WizardWorld Chicago was August 2003) by the time that con came around.
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Dec 27, 2014 19:45
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Edge & Christian posted:Yeah, it was Didn't Ron Zimmerman do Ultimate Adventures?
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A Strange Aeon posted:Speaking of editorial decisions, I was wondering about the history of reader input on storylines. The big example I can think of is Jason Todd getting killed, but have there been other similar reader votes? Would something like that ever happen today when it seems like the writer's integrity holds a lot more value for the fans? Though it wasn't through editorial and was solely done by the author, Erik Larsen's Savage Dragon had three contests: to create a new character (which resulted in Jimbo, the Mighty Lobster), to decide whether or not Dragon married Rapture (readers voted against it), and a contest for a reader to get punched in the face by Dragon (some guy won).
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Metal Loaf posted:Didn't Ron Zimmerman do Ultimate Adventures? Yes he did. Also it was better than it had any right to be.
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The Question IRL posted:It's actually more like "Keep an eye on this super powerful mutant I brainwashed, because he asked me to as he couldn't live with the thought of what he became." That was the second time. He did it on his own the first time.
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Aphrodite posted:That was the second time. He did it on his own the first time. To be fair, Professor X brainwashes like every bad guy the X-Men face during the Lee/Kirby run. It's not like Bendis is writing him too out of character.
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