[NT French Thread] Napoleon Complexes ITT

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Tekopo: Oct 24, 2008; When you see it, you'll shit yourself.

No problem. Will announce the christmas truce in the common thread.

# ? Dec 23, 2014 17:21

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# ? Apr 19, 2024 20:25

Tekopo: Oct 24, 2008; When you see it, you'll shit yourself.

Alright Fat Turkey, let's get some posts up again.

# ? Dec 28, 2014 07:52

Fat Turkey: Aug 1, 2004; Gobble Gobble Gobble!

Hey there, will get my post out today, promise!

# ? Dec 28, 2014 10:27

Fat Turkey: Aug 1, 2004; Gobble Gobble Gobble!

Detach the Murat calvary from Murat. Can you please confirm if that cavalry van move?

Santon artillery attack 64.

More depending on what happens

# ? Dec 28, 2014 21:28

Tekopo: Oct 24, 2008; When you see it, you'll shit yourself.

Yes it can move using a detach corps command, where do you want to move it to?

# ? Dec 28, 2014 21:49

Fat Turkey: Aug 1, 2004; Gobble Gobble Gobble!

# ? Dec 28, 2014 23:39

Tekopo: Oct 24, 2008; When you see it, you'll shit yourself.

That move is not allowed, since the Corps is in approach, the only places the cavalry can move to is in reserve of its own locale or in 64 (which would constitute an attack).

# ? Dec 28, 2014 23:42

Fat Turkey: Aug 1, 2004; Gobble Gobble Gobble!

OK.

Fire the artillery first and see what happens. If I can't because I declared the cavalry first, put it in reserve and fire the artillery.

# ? Dec 29, 2014 01:22

Tekopo: Oct 24, 2008; When you see it, you'll shit yourself.

Allied Defence Declaration

silvergoose

No Units Selected, 2 CAV reveals and moves to 65 55

Nothing needs to be revealed as the santon battery is a fixed battery.

Action Queue:
-- Fat Turkey: Further Actions.

Tekopo fucked around with this message at 15:08 on Dec 29, 2014

# ? Dec 29, 2014 14:06

Tekopo: Oct 24, 2008; When you see it, you'll shit yourself.

Please note that the cavalry moved to 55, not 65.

# ? Dec 29, 2014 15:08

Fat Turkey: Aug 1, 2004; Gobble Gobble Gobble!

Hard to grasp the numbers on this map, 55 is where Constantine is right?

Attack cavalry from 14 into 19, keeping the option to feint open.

# ? Dec 29, 2014 17:37

Tekopo: Oct 24, 2008; When you see it, you'll shit yourself.

There is a reference map in the OP :eng101:

Also, do you mean 14 into 29? If you do, you can't do that attack because there are 0 Independent moves left.

# ? Dec 29, 2014 17:39

Fat Turkey: Aug 1, 2004; Gobble Gobble Gobble!

Aaah, sorry, I've been away from my PC these holidays and keeping up on my phone.

I did mean 29. But I can't do that...

Did the Murat cavalry unit move down as I requested, that went through first right?

Just checking if that's how I want to leave it.

# ? Dec 29, 2014 17:45

Fat Turkey: Aug 1, 2004; Gobble Gobble Gobble!

Is the Santon artillery still considered to be in reserve or did it move over like other units would?

# ? Dec 29, 2014 17:58

Tekopo: Oct 24, 2008; When you see it, you'll shit yourself.

It's still considered in reverse, since it is a special case and the fixed battery can't actually move.

The Murat cavalry didn't move into reserve, no, because the artillery could in fact act first.

# ? Dec 29, 2014 18:04

Fat Turkey: Aug 1, 2004; Gobble Gobble Gobble!

Move Bessie's unit from 41 to 26.

Turn over

# ? Dec 30, 2014 00:59

Tekopo: Oct 24, 2008; When you see it, you'll shit yourself.

So I take it the cavalry in Murat's corps is not gonna move?

# ? Dec 30, 2014 17:01

Fat Turkey: Aug 1, 2004; Gobble Gobble Gobble!

I wanted to move them down to 72, if it was possible, yes.

# ? Dec 30, 2014 21:49

Tekopo: Oct 24, 2008; When you see it, you'll shit yourself.

Fat Turkey posted:

I wanted to move them down to 72, if it was possible, yes.

You can only move them to reserve or into 64: I'm assuming you don't want to do that?

# ? Dec 30, 2014 22:04

Fat Turkey: Aug 1, 2004; Gobble Gobble Gobble!

Of course, it didn't start in reserve, I've been looking at Bess for too long. Murat's cavalry will detach and sit in reserve. It will not move into 64.

Sorry about the delays here but it should be done now. Just nasty timing for it to come up to my turn while I'm away from my PC for Christmas where my notes are. I am keeping up, or trying to.

# ? Dec 30, 2014 22:17

Tekopo: Oct 24, 2008; When you see it, you'll shit yourself.

Updated Map:

Allied Morale: 16
French Morale: 21

11:00 AM, Allied Turn

Action Queue:
-- French Team: Proclaim an early victory

# ? Dec 30, 2014 22:29

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Tekopo posted:

Action Queue:
-- French Team: Proclaim an early victory

Madame, Messieurs, f�licitations.

# ? Dec 30, 2014 22:37

Tekopo: Oct 24, 2008; When you see it, you'll shit yourself.

Allied Movement

silvergoose

Attack Threat 64 -> 54

Action Queue:
-- frankenfreak: Defence Declaration

# ? Jan 1, 2015 14:00

Fat Turkey: Aug 1, 2004; Gobble Gobble Gobble!

I'm confused. Are you saying Allies are attacking from 64 into 54? I thought we turfed them out of 64?

# ? Jan 1, 2015 14:04

Tekopo: Oct 24, 2008; When you see it, you'll shit yourself.

It is still possible to do such a threat, thanks to road feints.

# ? Jan 1, 2015 14:13

frankenfreak: Feb 16, 2007; I SCORED 85% ON A QUIZ ABOUT MONDAY NIGHT RAW AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS LOUSY TEXT

#bastionboogerbrigade

Naming the battery as defending piece.

# ? Jan 1, 2015 19:15

Tekopo: Oct 24, 2008; When you see it, you'll shit yourself.

Allied Attack Declaration

silvergoose

Feint Option taken, 2 CAV shown and moved to 64

Updated Map:

Allied Movement

silvergoose

Attack Threat 42 -> 54

Since the Artillery defended on another approach, it cannot defend this one.
Artillery is destroyed and the french lose one morale.

Allied Morale: 16
French Morale: 20

# ? Jan 1, 2015 20:27

gutterdaughter: Oct 21, 2010; keep yr head up, problem girl

Wait, how the hell did they pull off this poo poo? The Santon is obstructed against cavalry.

Section 18, Santon special rules, bullet point 3: Approach penalties apply to attacks into the locale even when the defending pieces are in reserve.

Section 11, Attacks, paragraph 9: Cavalry units cannot lead an attack, lead a defense, or counter-attack if the defense approach is obstructed.

They could not have possibly declared a legal attack along the road, as the attack would be invalid on declaration, when they have to demonstrate that the attacking units are cavalry (Section 11, paragraph 8).

gutterdaughter fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Jan 1, 2015

# ? Jan 1, 2015 20:51

Tekopo: Oct 24, 2008; When you see it, you'll shit yourself.

Gutter Owl posted:

Wait, how the hell did they pull off this poo poo? The Santon is obstructed against cavalry.

Section 18, Santon rules, bullet point 3: Approach penalties apply to attacks into the locale even when the defending pieces are in reserve.

Section 11, Attacks, paragraph 9: Cavalry units cannot lead an attack, lead a defense, or counter-attack if the defense approach is obstructed.

They could not have possibly declared a legal attack along the road, as the attack would be invalid on declaration, when they have to demonstrate that the attacking units are cavalry (paragraph 8).

Read the highlighted part very carefully. It says that cavalry cannot lead an attack. This is a very specific term in the game. So it is possible for a cavalry unit to do feints on obstructed approaches. As well as that, it is possible to perform an attack (that isn't a road feint) with a cavalry on an obstructed approach, have the cavalry be the only unit declared in the attack declaration, and then be forced to have 0 units named as leading units (although why you would is unclear when you could just declare a feint).

Tekopo fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Jan 1, 2015

# ? Jan 1, 2015 20:56

gutterdaughter: Oct 21, 2010; keep yr head up, problem girl

gently caress, nevermind. 11.5, bullet 3, "there are no leading units in such attacks [feints]." Which means the obstruction penalty apparently does nothing, because the cavalry aren't actually leading an attack.

This makes no goddamn sense to me. A bunch of cavalry who can't even get up the hil run around and make some noise, and somehow this convinces our soldiers to panic, throw the battery off a cliff, and loving commit suicide. loving brilliant.

# ? Jan 1, 2015 21:00

Tekopo: Oct 24, 2008; When you see it, you'll shit yourself.

There is actually a distinction. Cavalry CAN move up the hill. They just can't attack up the hill. So the presence of the cavalry threatening an attack would still potentially cause a unit to panic, especially if it appeared that they were attacked from two sides.

# ? Jan 1, 2015 21:04

Tekopo: Oct 24, 2008; When you see it, you'll shit yourself.

Also, you need to think about it in terms of how the attacks would be conducted in real life. The first attack would gain the attention of the battery, who would set up for defence, when they suddenly hear about enemies infiltrating on the other side, upon which it would be too late to shift the defence. There's a lot of ways to rationalise it.

# ? Jan 1, 2015 21:08

Fat Turkey: Aug 1, 2004; Gobble Gobble Gobble!

Oh merde

# ? Jan 1, 2015 21:13

gutterdaughter: Oct 21, 2010; keep yr head up, problem girl

Fine, fine, I get it. I'm just really sore because this is a significant loss caused by confusing rules rather than tactical missteps. Play on.

# ? Jan 1, 2015 21:15

Tekopo: Oct 24, 2008; When you see it, you'll shit yourself.

Gutter Owl posted:

Fine, fine, I get it. I'm just really sore because this is a significant loss caused by confusing rules rather than tactical missteps. Play on.

To be fair, I hadn't realised the implications of road feint on the Santon before the Allies made the move. I'll know for my next game to keep a bodyguard on the Santon in my future games.

# ? Jan 1, 2015 21:18

Tekopo: Oct 24, 2008; When you see it, you'll shit yourself.

Allied Movement

silvergoose

1 CAV reveals (independent move) 29 -> 42 -> 54
Bagration moves 29 -> 41

Updated Map:

Allied Morale: 16
French Morale: 20

Allied Commands Left: 1 Independent, 4 Corps.

# ? Jan 1, 2015 22:00

Tekopo: Oct 24, 2008; When you see it, you'll shit yourself.

Allied Movement

Aston

Liechtenstein moves 123 -> 106
Kollowrath moves 85 -> 75 -> 65

Update Map:

Allied Morale: 16
French Morale: 20

Allied Commands Left: 1 Independent, 2 Corps

# ? Jan 4, 2015 17:41

Tekopo: Oct 24, 2008; When you see it, you'll shit yourself.

Allied Movement

Morholt

Attack Threat 83 -> 82

Action Queue:
-- frankenfreak: Defence Declaration

# ? Jan 4, 2015 22:31

frankenfreak: Feb 16, 2007; I SCORED 85% ON A QUIZ ABOUT MONDAY NIGHT RAW AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS LOUSY TEXT

#bastionboogerbrigade

Retreat to 72.

# ? Jan 4, 2015 22:34

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# ? Apr 19, 2024 20:25

Tekopo: Oct 24, 2008; When you see it, you'll shit yourself.

Something that I forgot, but it is too late to reverse back now, is that unfortunately you lose 2 morale for retreating with heavy cavalry. This won't happen anymore, though.

Allied Movement

Morholt

Unit on 83 -> 82 approach moves into 82 (independent)
Prebyshevsky moves to 83 -> 72 Approach

Map Updated Tonight

Allied Morale: 16 (Guard Used)
French Morale: 18 (Heavy Cavalry Used)

Allied Commands Left: 1 Corps

# ? Jan 7, 2015 11:40

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