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occamsnailfile posted:This is the actual list and I think the origin of the name--Scalzi and plenty of others have things to say about them better than I can. Basically a bunch of conservative authors mostly published by Baen complained that the Hugo awards were being dominated by a liberal feminist-marxist conspiracy (or something like that) and that good old jingoistic milsf was being unfairly ignored by snobs and so started a campaign that was very straightforwardly about the politics of the authors promoting it. Some of the authors on the list may not have asked to be involved. None of their list won anything, which may or may not be due to politics. They sure say it is and also that they didn't care about winning and this is just proof the awards are corrupt or whatever. Wow I looked at Voxs blog and wow, this guy is seriously really vile. The hatred in that blog is palpable. I wouldn't be surprised if he's a registered Freeper 
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gradenko_2000 posted:What was the actual thing that Ettin (or moths?) wrote that set her off? Honestly I'm not sure it even was her, some of 'her' posts are written entirely in Zak's style and do nothing but push Zak's agenda and he's already proven that he's not above using her as a defense against any sort of criticism. MY GIRLFRIEND is sick so therefor you shouldn't say anything about me that's not positive because if you do you're attacking MY GIRLFRIEND how could you do that you monster.
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Peak grimdark in fantasy was reached long, long ago with The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Doubter, who spends the entire series refusing to believe that he hasn't entered a dissassociative fugue to escape his real-world leprosy and establishes his anti-hero status by raping an innocent girl. Unlike well-written anti-heroes, he is never actually pleasant to read about and by book three you want the Ubiquitous Evil One to win just because being in this moron's head is so loving tiresome and you want it over with. Peak rape, on the other hand, belongs to the Sword of Truth books, currently being heroically presented to trad. games by DARKSEID DICK PICS. The former is much more self-aware than the latter. In fact, Thomas Covenant could be described as a Richard Rahl whose author is aware that he is writing an egocentric moron who is wrong about everything. He just way overdoes it.
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Happy new year from GMS! Why does this site that I openly wish for the death of keep saying mean things about me?
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GMS finish the cowboy kung fu game. This is a lawyer.
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clockworkjoe posted:Someone posted a reasonable article entitled "Five Destructive Myths Perpetuated by Roleplaying Games" http://mythcreants.com/blog/five-destructive-myths-perpetuated-by-roleplaying-games/ It's already been said, but this isn't a very good "article". Like, it's correct in that maybe games should stop treating indiginous people/races in games as there solely to be murdered for loot, but the idea that wanting to be a hero, or exploring far away lands, or getting better with experience is bad is some of the worst pearl clutching garbage I've seen about gaming in a while.
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ManMythLegend posted:It's already been said, but this isn't a very good "article". You could maybe successfully argue that the "party" dynamic instills that collective rather than individual action is what matters. Especially if you go OLD SCHOOL RENAISSANCE with like a million spear carriers and torch bearers and hirelings and henchmen and hangers on! Man this Winter Palace dungeon is a real slog, I don't buy the dungeon ecology at all like what's feeding all the weird bourgeoisie monsters that just hang out here?
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Darwinism posted:Honestly I'm not sure it even was her, some of 'her' posts are written entirely in Zak's style and do nothing but push Zak's agenda and he's already proven that he's not above using her as a defense against any sort of criticism. Eh, no reason to engage in conspiracy thinking unless you have significantly better evidence than "Zak's girlfriend supports Zak". People who live together and spend significant chunks of their lives together in good times and bad times do end up sharing a lot of ideas and formulations, so it's not exactly out of the ordinary that both Zak and Mandy would sound somewhat alike at times. Without evidence, it's all somewhat bizarre speculation, and since Zak and Mandy appear to read this thread with a zealous passion (Hey Zak! Hey Mandy! I'd like my usernamed blackened out in the screenshot you took of my post please.), it would only give them examples to trot out of how deluded their detractors are. Edit: and the award for "least transhuman game of the year" goes to... Eclipse Phase? What the gently caress? some guy on a forum posted:On an unrelated note: I think one of the reasons I don't enjoy Eclipse Phase much is because to me it doesn't really feel like a transhumanist game. It feels like a setting that's worked very hard to create a standard rather conservative style of post-apocalyptic game setting with a few transhumanist elements in it. It's not really a transhumanist future, like THS is, rather it's a post-apocalyptic world sitting on the ruins of a setting that started towards transhumanism but never got anywhere because of an arbitrary apocalypse. It kind of frustrates me, because the society that was developing before that seems much more interesting as a game setting that sifting through its destroyed ruins. LatwPIAT fucked around with this message at 09:41 on Jan 5, 2015 |
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ManMythLegend posted:It's already been said, but this isn't a very good "article". The article's not bad if you shift your perspective of what it's trying to say from 'these things are bad' to 'these things would be bad if you let yourself buy into them as being applicable in the real world'. The number of RPGs that aren't, at their core, about the players using violence to impose their will on others is pretty drat small (although it has been getting somewhat better, maybe). Also, the stuff like exploration and heroism aren't really bad in and of themselves, but have definitely been the fuel for some pretty hosed up stuff in history (some of the most hosed up, even). On the other hand, being the hero and murdering orcs is fun, and most people are pretty good at acknowledging that the rate at which conversations in D&D devolve into violence would be totally inappropriate in the real world. I still think it's important to acknowledge the hosed up things about RPGs, though, rather than trying to justify them and letting yourself unconsciously internalize them.
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LatwPIAT posted:since Zak and Mandy appear to read this thread with a zealous passion (Hey Zak! Hey Mandy! I'd like my usernamed blackened out in the screenshot you took of my post please. I want to be internet famous, you don't need to blur mine out even though I think that both of you are transphobic trash that give "feminism" a bad name and also have bad opinions on elfgames. LatwPIAT posted:Edit: and the award for "least transhuman game of the year" goes to... Eclipse Phase? What the gently caress? Well it doesn't have transhuman in the title like Transhuman Space does so...
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OtspIII posted:The article's not bad if you shift your perspective of what it's trying to say from 'these things are bad' to 'these things would be bad if you let yourself buy into them as being applicable in the real world'. The number of RPGs that aren't, at their core, about the players using violence to impose their will on others is pretty drat small (although it has been getting somewhat better, maybe). Also, the stuff like exploration and heroism aren't really bad in and of themselves, but have definitely been the fuel for some pretty hosed up stuff in history (some of the most hosed up, even). The "article" reads like a Fox News blog post on the evils of video games. People have been doing hosed up stuff to each other since there were humans. Trying to lay that at the feet of hero myths and stories of grand adventure that have been part of the human tableau in literally every culture in history is ignorant at best, and outright pandering for moral superiority at worst.
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clockworkjoe posted:Someone posted a reasonable article entitled "Five Destructive Myths Perpetuated by Roleplaying Games" http://mythcreants.com/blog/five-destructive-myths-perpetuated-by-roleplaying-games/ Man, that article. Good points ruined by bad writing and rampant probloggery wankery! Inline links without context! Break out numbered header tags to yell at Google! You should basically assume that anything that looks like this is kind of horseshit due to its SEO-baiting attributes alone. That said, each point is kind of true. Kind of. And Desborough wrote an annoyed response to it so it must be worth something.
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It kind of sounds like they're conflating "transhumanism" with "post-scarcity." They're right that The Culture would make a great setting though. With regards to violence, I like how Dogs in the Vineyard has three equal levels of conflict resolution: social, physical, and violent. Each "class" is good at two, if I remember correctly, and you can further specialize in one. Physical conflict included sports and physical tasks. So it might include offering to fix someone's roof, for example, compensating them with your labour to resolve the situation or fixing the root problem of the dispute. Hodgepodge fucked around with this message at 11:21 on Jan 5, 2015 |
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Hodgepodge posted:They're right that The Culture would make a great setting though. Roll for drugorgy.
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Mewnie posted:Wow I looked at Voxs blog and wow, this guy is seriously really vile. The hatred in that blog is palpable. Dunno if he's a freeper, but he used to write for World Net Daily, which his tax-dodgin' daddy helped found.
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I think the rate of incidence of the question of "how do I stop the players from being such murderhobos?" and indeed the term "murderhobo" itself means that at least some part of the playing population is able to recognize that they're doing what they're doing purely because they're in a game. Although that does still leave the rest of the hobby's enormous dickbags, but then I don't know how much of an impact that article is going to make to them. EDIT: More Gygaxian (anti?) grog: quote:Thus, besides the systems, I have made every effort to give the reasoning and justification for the game. Of course the ultimate reason and justification is a playable and interesting game, and how much rationalization can actually go into a fantasy game? There is some, at least, as you will see, for if the game is fantasy, there is a basis for much of what is contained herein, even though it be firmly grounded on worlds of make-believe. And while there are no optionals for the major systems of ADVANCED D&D (for uniformity of rules and procedures from game to game, campaign to campaign, is stressed), there are plenty of areas where your own creativity and imagination are not bounded by the parameters of the game system. These are sections where only a few hints and suggestions are given, and the rest left to the DM. What I choose to take away from is that the only reason AD&D has so many rules is because Gygax wanted it to be played in tournaments: you need rules so that two players that both want to swing from the chandelier are going to have the same arbitration across two different tables with two different DMs. Otherwise you're not really supposed to follow any rules that don't fit and come up with new ones yourself. gradenko_2000 fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Jan 5, 2015 |
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Otisburg posted:Man this Winter Palace dungeon is a real slog, I don't buy the dungeon ecology at all like what's feeding all the weird bourgeoisie monsters that just hang out here?
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ManMythLegend posted:I want to be internet famous, you don't need to blur mine out even though I think that both of you are transphobic trash that give "feminism" a bad name and also have bad opinions on elfgames. They mostly come off as normal in the range of being white liberal discriminatory dorks. That means they honestly believe themselves to be trans allies but keep privilege in their back pocket when they want to poo poo on somebody vulnerable. It means they believe themselves to be staunchly anti-racist but both deploy the "My Black friend" defense and use their buddies as rhetorical props without batting an eye. Zak is the kind of guy who supports Food Not Bombs but can write about how much he hated a Mere Commoner (a working class woman in the military) compared to a businessman.
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Paranoia and a persecution complex.
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I guess leaving the "The Internet Makes You Stupid" tagline on the site header was a bit too on-the-nose.
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The Zac S and John Wick show is the worst video on youtube that I have ever seen. Also Ettin's name isn't Paul. It's Brett.
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Slimnoid posted:What the gently caress am I looking at? I think we did 9/11 or something.
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Babylon Astronaut posted:Also Ettin's name isn't Paul. It's Brett. That can't be right. He's Australian, so it has to be Bruce.
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Babylon Astronaut posted:The Zac S and John Wick show is the worst video on youtube that I have ever seen. It's a very revealing video on how damaged Zak is as a person (I must conflate the story of Goldilocks and the 3 Bears with D&D Mechanics). Bruceski posted:I think we did 9/11 or something. Nah, not enough Illuminati poo poo in there.
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The everything is D&D mechanics was one thing, but what got me was he was never wrong, but he'd "accept your premise for the sake of argument" over basic points of fact. Like this poo poo happened dude, reality doesn't care if you accept it or not.
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"Someone showed concern that having a porn star represent D&D in Maxim was bad for women." Normal Person: "I disagree with that premise, but as long as you're civil about it I respect your opinion." Crazy Person: "HAH! YOU HAVE NO PROOF OF THAT, YOU PRUDE! NOW CHECK OUT MY TWITTER IMAGE!" Also they're mad that everyone didn't apologize about the "debunking" of Tom Hatfield's article, which in real life is people not buying the insane screeds posted in reply to it. It's always amazing when people respond to accusations in a way that makes them look bad. Even if it turns out they're not out-and-out harassers, they're apparently incapable of responding to criticism in anything close to the manner of a civilized adult.
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Guilty Spork posted:"Someone showed concern that having a porn star represent D&D in Maxim was bad for women." He. He's mad. He made it.
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Lmbo I totally came here to post that.
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Guilty Spork posted:Also they're mad that everyone didn't apologize about the "debunking" of Tom Hatfield's article, which in real life is people not buying the insane screeds posted in reply to it. It's always amazing when people respond to accusations in a way that makes them look bad. Even if it turns out they're not out-and-out harassers, they're apparently incapable of responding to criticism in anything close to the manner of a civilized adult. Or you get insanely long "debunking" posts from Seebs who goes on for so long that the opposition just falls asleep in response.
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JackMann posted:I feel this needs more thumb tacks and red string connecting everything. Literally this: 
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It occurred to me the other day that this obsession with SA from Zak and Tarnowski is textbook privilege. The two of them benefit from literal privileges in other gaming communities. At RPGnet you are forbidden to discuss the things they've done. The RPGsite is run by Tarnowski. Basically, this is the most prominent community where they do not have special privileges, therefore it is out to get them. That's sad. I mean there's the hilarious side effect that over in Tarnowski's forum Desborough keeps snuggling up to them because he recognizes them as ideological fellow travelers because of the way they act, while they recoil in an attempt to guard their reps from GamerGate cooties.
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