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KhyrosFinalCut posted:##vote Winged Orpheus Ok I really am starting to read here because I can't be arsed to sift through chesschat and setting up actual servers to play shooting games but what is the deal with this? Game isn't really happening and KFC does down HARD on Winged Orpheus. Very odd.
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Oh goddammit there seems to be content being referenced earlier than that comment. Buhhhh why must I read through things -______ mafia is hard,
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Jan 6, 2015 03:14
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Somberbrero posted:Okay, I agree. It's generally hard to make statements about alignment early in day one, especially when the thread has largely been nonserious. However, I think it's fairly clear you and others assign some value to Orpheus' post. I think it's shady to say that you don't have any opinion on him at all while you're coaching him to play less scummy. What the hell is this awkwardness.
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Jan 6, 2015 03:17
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KhyrosFinalCut posted:I like ernie and Kumba's line of thought here on Winged Orpheus. Most voteworthy offense so far. Uh, is this meant to be facetious, because: Ernie. posted:##vote winged orpheus Kumbamontu posted:##vote winged orpheus Those are some excellent lines of thought.
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Jan 6, 2015 03:20
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It's like Quidnose intentionally decided to refuse to understand anything at all. ~content~
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Jan 6, 2015 03:21
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fiery_valkyrie posted:Eh, I think the CT case is a bad case but so is this. It's such an easy thing to jump on, someone commenting on a bad case. I think it is a really lazy and "by the books" case, rather than you actually feeling like you've found scum Rarity. This is odd to me, because: Rarity posted:This is a lovely bandwagony-yet-noncommittal post so it looks like KFC's contributing without having to add an original thought of his own ##vote KFC CT's coaching post was also really bad. Am I misreading that this is FV basically calling out Rarity for the same reasons she called out KFC? If that's the case, why did you not comment on FV being hypocritical at all? That seems like an odd thing to casually bring up but then not use as part of your case. ...which isn't really a case, FV's post there says absolutely nothing except "well Rarity you're kinda being lovely." Super noncommittal (which, again, is odd because that's why FV is calling out Rarity).
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Jan 6, 2015 03:23
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Rarity posted:It's D1. It's not even late D1, of course I don't have a slam dunk case yet cause nobody does. I just got a read that pinged me and followed through on it to see what would happen. On the other hand I don't like this response.
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Jan 6, 2015 03:24
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Somberbrero posted:Hey, I saw the deadline is tomorrow. WO has been more active than a bunch of people, myself included. I think that it'd be silly to lunch him today, especially when he hasn't played in a while. This is the second time Somb white knights WO and it's making me have funny tummy feelings.
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Jan 6, 2015 03:26
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Somberbrero posted:I mean, day one, if someone does something textbook scummy, it's a bad idea to lynch them because _______? Help me fill in the blank here. I also really dislike this, it shows a real lack of any thought. Why would you do anything in mafia by the books without thinking about it. This doesn't even say "it's ok to go down this line of thinking to see where it goes," Somber seems to be advocating a knee-jerk lynch?
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Jan 6, 2015 03:27
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Somberbrero posted:This is not at all rhetorical, can you explain the following for me? Somber what the hell are you doing
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Jan 6, 2015 03:29
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Allen Wren posted:This is not at all rhetorical, can you explain the following for me? I like Allen for town.
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Jan 6, 2015 03:29
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Ernie. posted:hello, I missed this, when did it happen, ernie, since you seem to be here?
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Jan 6, 2015 03:30
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Dugong posted:WO has been active but most of it has been game chat. That's not a criticism as it mirrors the thread as a whole. They said they haven't played SA mafia for a while. To me they are reading as someone that is trying to fit in due to following discussion but that could just be from rusty. What is this, who is a Dugong. Are they new? This is awkward.
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Jan 6, 2015 03:30
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Dugong posted:Quidnose is afk in spawn (not posting). Someone jump on their head. This is a very, very, very odd callout. Why is Dugong policing the thread for activity?
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Jan 6, 2015 03:31
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Literally that callout comes out of nowhere for no reason.
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Jan 6, 2015 03:31
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fiery_valkyrie posted:Because I think "textbook scummy" doesn't net us scum much these days. Somber & FV scum distracting slapfighting and trying to drag other people into it, calling it now. Jesus this is such a snoozefest of the fakes meta discussion I have seen in a long time.
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Jan 6, 2015 03:32
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Somberbrero posted:Valk, I am not sure I see what is so scummy about an easy case. Yeah, opportunism is a thing sometimes, but it's very situational and I don't see it here. I also think that characterizing Rarity's vote as lazy and then making an alignment call based on a perceived meta for her is wrong, at best. Somber continues it here, look at how forced this is.
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Jan 6, 2015 03:32
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Somberbrero posted:I could agree with that but the timing in particular is odd. She acknowledges that Orpheus made a scummy/bad post, but it might look opportunistic to hop on at that juncture so she doesn't lay down a vote. I don't particularly like meta calls and it seems like that's most of your base here so I'm not convinced. fiery_valkyrie posted:Were both interpreting CT's post. Your interpretation is that she is trying to avoid looking opportunistic. Mine is that she's just being nice. oh my god you two this is not even convincing.
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Jan 6, 2015 03:34
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Somberbrero posted:I dunno if an argument over the validity of meta-gaming mafia is really worth either of our time, but I have a lot of work I'm avoiding so why not? ##vote Somber
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Jan 6, 2015 03:34
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fiery_valkyrie posted:There is also a reason why we give newbie players a pass in their first game and that's because what we have determined to be "scummy" behaviour is common behaviour in newbies. FV is my next vote. I'll stop quoting their back and forth because you get the point but please tell me I am not the only one seeing how forced all of this is. Ridiculous.
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Jan 6, 2015 03:35
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I've been feeling off about Somber this game, but not specifically that him and fv are faking a slapfight. His aggressiveness doesn't seem to have that earnest quality it usually does, but this is totally gut feeling. Would vote Somber.
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Jan 6, 2015 03:38
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Quidnose posted:oh my god you two this is not even convincing. It's not convincing because your read is wrong.
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Jan 6, 2015 03:39
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Yeah that's what I got for now. Thoughts?
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Jan 6, 2015 03:41
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fiery_valkyrie posted:It's not convincing because your read is wrong. So you think Somber is being earnest?
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Jan 6, 2015 03:42
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Quidnose posted:So you think Somber is being earnest? Not sure, but we're not scum buds.
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Jan 6, 2015 03:44
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You have no opinion beyond "dunno?" You've been talking to him pretty much exclusively.
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Jan 6, 2015 03:45
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Somber does feel a little forced but I haven't played with him enough to tell what that means about his alignment, some people always read forced to me
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Jan 6, 2015 03:46
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fiery_valkyrie posted:Not sure, but we're not scum buds. So are you saying you think he's town or telling Quid you aren't scum but dunno about Somber
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Jan 6, 2015 03:47
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Because that's a super weird way to phrase that imo
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Jan 6, 2015 03:47
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Quidnose posted:You have no opinion beyond "dunno?" You've been talking to him pretty much exclusively. I think he's sincere, but I don't think it is alignment indicative.
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Jan 6, 2015 03:48
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Jan 6, 2015 03:48
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Chic Trombone posted:Somber does feel a little forced but I haven't played with him enough to tell what that means about his alignment, some people always read forced to me Somber is always very aggressive and pushes people a lot, but it usually comes out as trying to figure out the game and get at the heart of things. This back and forth doesn't really feel like that.
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Jan 6, 2015 03:49
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fiery_valkyrie posted:I think he's sincere, but I don't think it is alignment indicative. This statement makes no sense to me.
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Jan 6, 2015 03:50
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Chic Trombone posted:So are you saying you think he's town or telling Quid you aren't scum but dunno about Somber The latter. Chic Trombone posted:Because that's a super weird way to phrase that imo In what way? Because I didn't say "I'm not scum"?
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Jan 6, 2015 03:50
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fiery_valkyrie posted:In what way? Because I didn't say "I'm not scum"? It just ~feels weird~ i can't really quantify why but it bugs me that you phrased it that way
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Jan 6, 2015 03:52
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Asiina posted:This statement makes no sense to me. For example, the big post where he gives us a lecture about meta. I think that is Somber's honest opinion on using meta to play the game. I also think he could make that post as scum or town.
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Jan 6, 2015 03:53
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I find it odd you're not making an alignment call on him at all.
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Jan 6, 2015 03:56
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I haven't made an alignment call on anyone. I'm not sure yet.
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Jan 6, 2015 04:01
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I would be very happy not to have to discuss meta but that's most of what's being put forward. I was hoping Quid would do something useful.
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Jan 6, 2015 04:02
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Somberbrero posted:I would be very happy not to have to discuss meta but that's most of what's being put forward. Bull. You know very well that discussing meta is a distraction in games, and to act like there's nothing you can do because there's been no content - that's crap. People have posted opinions on people, talk about that. Don't act like your hands are tied, that's scummy as hell.
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