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rjmccall
Sep 7, 2007

no worries friend
Fun Shoe

Krinkle posted:

Do all exchanges do this? How can you be trustless if you're trusting people with more bitcoin then they paid for? (haha this question proves I never got what margin call was I'm a dummy)

exchanges aren't trustless, they require extensive proofs of identity. all the major contact points of bitcoin are centralized and non-anonymous

offering margin on bitcoin when the health of your business is intimately tied to the price of bitcoin is a special kind of stupidity, though

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trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

Krinkle posted:

Do all exchanges do this? How can you be trustless if you're trusting people with more bitcoin then they paid for? (haha this question proves I never got what margin call was I'm a dummy)

Look, as long as you understand that the exchange lent him some of its internal fake bucks to buy some fake bitcoin securities but demanded real useless fiat as a collateral you'll get the sheer beauty of the situation.

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy
My bitcoins? I bought them... on margin. You see, I am a refined investor :smug:

trucutru fucked around with this message at 06:37 on Jan 14, 2015

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


buying a speculative and intensely volatile "asset" on margin is just so incredibly stupid.

Boxturret
Oct 3, 2013

Don't ask me about Sonic the Hedgehog diaper fetish

Shifty Pony posted:

buying a bicoin is just so incredibly stupid.

Beast of Bourbon
Sep 25, 2013

Pillbug
i don't get reddit, how do i search for ArcoponyBearish and his other posts?

like i want to read his story, in his own words, like lincoln,or hitler

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

Beast of Bourbon posted:

i don't get reddit, how do i search for ArcoponyBearish and his other posts?

like i want to read his story, in his own words, like lincoln,or hitler

http://www.reddit.com/user/Arcopony

quote:

i'm still here, it's... really numbing... but the people on the suicide line have been great at keeping me from doing anything stupid. i think i'll live, and i hope i honestly do learn.

duTrieux.
Oct 9, 2003


alone or in pairs
rolls over your neighbors dog

Jumley
Oct 10, 2012

There's hope for you yet.
Any minute now the tipping culture movement will turn this around!

StopMakingSense
Sep 16, 2004
Sax and Violins
Think we're gonna hit the 'aughts pretty shortly.

Twinty Zuleps
May 10, 2008

by R. Guyovich
Lipstick Apathy
i put both too much and too little effort into this



im sorry, ill do better next time

Boxturret
Oct 3, 2013

Don't ask me about Sonic the Hedgehog diaper fetish

StopMakingSense posted:

Think we're gonna hit the 'aughts pretty shortly.

206 :toot:

surebet
Jan 10, 2013

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i leave for like 10 minutes to grab a pack of smokes at the dépanneur and i come back to darth vader nooooooooooo'ing

joke's on me, i though i left the alert at <200, seeing 208 (while a nice surprise) kinda made me go a little limp

rotor
Jun 11, 2001

classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

fwiw this represents a 4000% return on bitcoin from when we started mocking them.

surebet
Jan 10, 2013

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How a lot of us who bought last year are feeling right now. (imgur.com)
submitted 4 hours ago by Medialab101

surebet
Jan 10, 2013

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(doggy was fine in the end don't worry)

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy
That Arcopony dude is indeed a good source.

quote:

Any antiaging/radical life-extension nonprofits accepting Bitcoin?

[–]Arcopony 1 point 1 year ago

I might trust the cryo company. But there is also the issue that the vault may or may not be completely secure for the next 1000 years. Its not the cryo company's fault, but it may be that over that time span a theft will occur. I need to think of ways of thwarting those thieves.

now i gotta figure out what storage medium would reasonably last 1000+ years but still encrypted enough that thieves won't sweep my keys when they break in. A lot of Egyptian tombs were robbed clean in the intervening millennia.

........

Like i said i see your point. My bigger concern is if i'm unable to remember how to retrieve the key. Any new scheme i come up with will be a "late" memory in my head and will be the easiest to go as my disease progresses. So i should make it as easy to figure out as possible. But at the same time, the thief would also have an easy time of it. So i need to make it harder to figure out, but then if its complicated i may forget critical parts. It's a difficult problem to resolve.

But in the end, this is all speculative anyway, the chances of any successful reanimation is likely extremely low. I'll just have to accept whatever memory loss comes with it, compounded with my own loss from alzheimers.


quote:

I think you're completely missing the point. I want to LIVE. If I save every bitcoin, but die and don't get reanimated, what's the point? I value my life more than i value my bitcoin, even if i had 20 million of them. If the future cryonicists are evil and kill me and hack my brain well there is nothing i can do to stop that. But if they are not then i'd rather spend my bitcoins and live as long as possible than die rich.

trucutru fucked around with this message at 07:13 on Jan 14, 2015

surebet
Jan 10, 2013

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:siren: :siren: china is about to breach 200 :siren: :siren:

e: @1236NCY<>200USD china is now under 200, 1230 cny and falling

StopMakingSense
Sep 16, 2004
Sax and Violins
This is it people. I love you all.

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

$203.3

So close

BBJoey
Oct 31, 2012

YOSPOS › bitcoin: I'm still crying but at least i'm not barfing anymore.

thank

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

quote:

[–]IHodlThereforeIExist 5 points an hour ago
Yeah well that's 50k usd down the toilet for me. It's okay though I will be alright. Just need some time to let it sink in...
I just bought some futures on okcoin, when the swap reversal comes I will make some back. Hard times...

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[–]hfutrell 8 points 44 minutes ago
your gambling problem isn't going to be helped with more gambling.

suffix
Jul 27, 2013

Wheeee!

Krinkle posted:

Do all exchanges do this? How can you be trustless if you're trusting people with more bitcoin then they paid for? (haha this question proves I never got what margin call was I'm a dummy)

my guess is you never actually get the bitcoins/stock/whatever
the exchange/broker you borrowed them from will hold them and execute the trades, but since you're borrowing them you get to call the shots, and you take the profit or loss.
if the price gets too low and you don't increase the deposit (the "margin call"), they'll sell the coins and take the money + your deposit as repayment

does that sound about right?

the follow-up question is how do you know they actually have the coins you're borrowing, and they don't necessarily.
if they don't, you're really just betting with them on the price, and it's what's known as a bucket shop http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucket_shop_(stock_market)

Twinty Zuleps
May 10, 2008

by R. Guyovich
Lipstick Apathy


:suspense:



e; wait that was a million somethin like 20 minutes ago the eff

surebet
Jan 10, 2013

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gah your units are weird

rotor
Jun 11, 2001

classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

surebet posted:

gah your units are weird

man it's my high school prom all over again :(

surebet
Jan 10, 2013

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rotor posted:

man it's my high school prom all over again :(

triggered

Twinty Zuleps
May 10, 2008

by R. Guyovich
Lipstick Apathy
well i was gonna say that i take pride in not taking the time to figure out anything bitcoin but that would be both a dirty lie and changing it from mBTC took 3 clicks so

im sorry some more



you know let's all take a minute to laugh at bitcoinity still defaulting to $ per millibitcoin, its so perfect

surebet
Jan 10, 2013

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Wulfolme posted:

well i was gonna say that i take pride in not taking the time to figure out anything bitcoin but that would be both a dirty lie and changing it from mBTC took 3 clicks so

im sorry some more



you know let's all take a minute to laugh at bitcoinity still defaulting to $ per millibitcoin, its so perfect

no worries, their hopeless optimism is funny in btc or mbtc

raminasi
Jan 25, 2005

a last drink with no ice

rotor posted:

fwiw this represents a 4000% return on bitcoin from when we started mocking them.

both in usd and laffs

surebet
Jan 10, 2013

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not going to c&p everything off of reddit, but this is basically 51% of all the posts right now

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[–]L_Ron_Cool_J -1 points 28 minutes ago*
You should put everything you can mint it now to decrease your average cost per bitcoin. This is a buying opportunity you will never see again, 200is the bottom. If you think bitcoin is down now wait until you see what inflation will do to your fiat

ComfyPants
Mar 20, 2002

No Pain, No Gain. (self.Bitcoin)

submitted 29 minutes ago by mbaetekio

If i hodl and it tanks to zero will the pain be that much worse? not really. if I buy and the price goes up... Well, that my friends is what I call the Gain after the Pain. so it's all HODL for me regardless of the final outcome. I may even purchase as the train goes lower. only because my instincts are telling me to sell. my instincts are frequently incorrect when it comes to bitcoin.

i know we just changed the thread title but lol

Alliterate Addict
Jul 10, 2012

dreaming of that face again

it's bright and blue and shimmering

grinning wide and comforting me with it's three warm and wild eyes


mr gorbachev plz

ChickenOfTomorrow
Nov 11, 2012

god damn it, you've got to be kind

bitcoin: my instincts are frequently incorrect

surebet
Jan 10, 2013

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My friend has a daughter... (self.Bitcoin)
submitted 8 minutes ago by bitscavenger

And I am going to compare her with Bitcoin. Let us call her Claire.

Claire is 4 years old but she is remarkably tall and looks like she could be 6 or 7. Claire has a problem where everyone interacting with her expects her to behave like a 6 or 7 year old when she truly has the maturity of a 4 year old. There is nothing wrong with Claire but society seems to demand more.

Bitcoin is a 6 year old. We push, pull, and prod Bitcoin trying to accelerate it to behave how we think it should act. We feel like it is capable of so much and we treat it like it should already be there. Bitcoin grew to look like a serious contender from the outside so we expected it to behave like one already. There is nothing wrong with Claire and there is nothing wrong with Bitcoin. Both will throw tantrums at times and when we really take a step back and reflect, we realize these are age appropriate actions.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




JaysonAych posted:

No Pain, No Gain. (self.Bitcoin)

submitted 29 minutes ago by mbaetekio

If i hodl and it tanks to zero will the pain be that much worse? not really. if I buy and the price goes up... Well, that my friends is what I call the Gain after the Pain. so it's all HODL for me regardless of the final outcome. I may even purchase as the train goes lower. only because my instincts are telling me to sell. my instincts are frequently incorrect when it comes to bitcoin.

i know we just changed the thread title but lol
gain after pain, :lol:, how about slamming your head in a door and then going to gym, mr. buttcoiner

Boxturret
Oct 3, 2013

Don't ask me about Sonic the Hedgehog diaper fetish
i never want to hear bitcoiners talking about how a little girl looks older than they are

Malloc Voidstar
May 7, 2007

Fuck the cowboys. Unf. Fuck em hard.

Boxturret posted:

i never want to hear bitcoiners talking about how

Boxturret posted:

i never want to hear bitcoiners talking about a little girl

Alliterate Addict
Jul 10, 2012

dreaming of that face again

it's bright and blue and shimmering

grinning wide and comforting me with it's three warm and wild eyes

Boxturret posted:

i never want to hear how talking about bitcoin

same

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duTrieux.
Oct 9, 2003

Boxturret posted:

i never want to hear bitcoiners talking about how a little girl looks older than they are

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