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theironjef posted:I dunno, I have an extremely old Batman RPG where it is assumed that you will play as Batman. Like the whole book is written with Batman being the gender neutral pronoun. Until you get to the very end of the drat thing, it's easy to assume that it's either a one-player RPG, or that you're supposed to sort of gestalt-control Batman, as if the game was Everyone is The Planetary/Batman crossover was very good, yes.
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I think the best handling of that was possibly old Marvel Super Heroes, where it was assumed while you'd want to hang out with the Avengers and X-Men because why else would you specifically buy a game with "Marvel" in the title instead of Champions or Villains & Vigilantes and have adventures where you fight Sentinels with Wolverine and solve mysteries with Captain America, you still want your characters to be cool and do stuff on their own and create their own continuities.
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I'm partial to the way the Buffy RPG did it, by separating the various Scoobies into believable power levels, and then giving the weaker ones really functional abilities to mess with the narrative and just be lucky (so that they'd survive) because otherwise a system where you could play as Xander OR Buffy would generally lead to a lot of Buffys.
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theironjef posted:I'm partial to the way the Buffy RPG did it, by separating the various Scoobies into believable power levels, and then giving the weaker ones really functional abilities to mess with the narrative and just be lucky (so that they'd survive) because otherwise a system where you could play as Xander OR Buffy would generally lead to a lot of Buffys. Then they threw that out the window with the Angel RPG.
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True, but didn't Angel have a lot more in the way of demons, superheroes, ensouled vampires, etc. rotating through the main cast?
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Evil Mastermind posted:Then they threw that out the window with the Angel RPG. I should read that. I can't see a reason why you couldn't just run Angel stories using the Buffy rules, it's still about vampires and demons. Did they have a new set of merits like "junior partner at Wolfram & Hart" or what? (why am I asking why it exists, this is licensed gaming)
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The only "Normal" in angel was Cordelia and she definitely got the raw end of that deal.
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Xander was the only normal in the Scoobies by the end, too. I mean maybe Dawn too, but she was also like a magical key or something. Plus no one likes her.
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Hc Svnt Dracones Transhuman Dicekin  Character Creation Family At long last we actually encounter some rules for playing the game. As is pretty much bog standard for most RPG's, we've got a plethora of values and numbers hurled at us right out of the gate, before we even really have much of a grasp of what they do, mechanically, because the chapters containing the actual rules aren't until after this one. I may skip ahead a bit to the rules chapters while doing chargen, in case I need to gain an understanding of whether a given chargen option is really as retarded as it looks, mechanically. First step: Pick a "Family." This basically translates to "decide what kind of furry" you want to be, since they've got names like Canidae, Felidae, etc. what boggles me is that the rundown of chargen at the start also lists "species" and "morphism," as things we need to choose, so I suspect we're going to get incredibly detailed with what kind of ridiculous loving space poodle we are. Also of course the families aren't organized alphabetically, that would almost make a whit of loving sense. At a glance, each family provides a couple of generic "+1's" to stuff, no telling if that's particularly huge yet, though at a glance they already look ridiculously unbalanced, since you've got "resistance to exhaustion" basically equal to "has wings, can fly." Additionally you get to choose a retarded stereotype based on the kind of furry you are, like, dogs can choose to have SUPER LOYAL as a bonus, cats can be twitchy, birds can be claustrophobic, etc. None of this makes any loving sense from a setting standpoint, mind you, since all of the Vectors were made from human fetuses with animal features grafted on, basically. There would have been no reason at all to add animal instincts or neural structures to those kids at all. So there's no reason they'd adhere to animal stereotypes, especially seeing as how, canonically, most old human media is gone, so they wouldn't even worship human stereotypes of given animal groups. The five families are Canidae, Felidae, Reptilia, Mustelidae and Avialae, and after the brief stat bit, we get a painful revelation that someone on the writing team was way too loving fond of White Wolf, as it basically copypastes the thing that every old White Wolf splatbook did, wherein every single [family/tradition/club/whatever] shared their opinions and stereotypes on every other major faction. Mind you, though, wasn't one of the big things the fluff started on, something about how THE INTERNET and similar wonderful inventions basically disassembled everything resembling evil stereotypes except among the willfully ignorant? And hasn't the former chapters worked on establishing that corporate culture largely replaces nationstate loyalties? And so far we've heard nothing about any particular furry "families" preferring any particular corporations, so isn't it completely illogical for a given "family" of furries to even really have a shared culture, mindset or opinion of any sort? Yes, yes it loving is. HSD, ladorks and gentlegeeks. HSD.  I'm angry, angry about punching bags Let's see what the non-existent, both in the real world and in this fictional world, nation of space dog people thinks of other space animal people! I might have missed it in the blur of retarded statements in the earlier chapters, but we learn here that dogs and cats were the first "Vectors" made, with the remainder arriving later. And of course they're of the opinion that cats are flighty, reptiles are cold and emotionless, and space person ferrets act wacky exactly like real world ferrets do! Totally not about playing a yiffy animal person in space, guys, this RPG is about being human. And seriously I can't even find anything to mock here, it's just so loving dull. Also I won't bother copypasting any of the stereotypes, or even mentioning them much, because they're just... the same poo poo for all five families, and really dull. Completely unimaginative.  In space, no one can hear you yiff quote:Felines were second in line in the first generation Vector wave, and sported the most females of the initial release. dictionary posted:matronly I DON'T QUITE THINK THEY KNOW WHAT WORDS MEAN. None of the above particularly reads "staid old married woman" to me, especially not the bit about them basically being ambitious and adventurous. Also why in God's name would starting out with more women make them more hsdsdsdsdsds. This book is gonna give me a stroke.  In the future we will all have bare midriffs for no good reason Reading the bird people chapter, I get the impression that the writers weren't all on the same page, as their quotes mention the cats starting "three race wars." Firstly, again, if loyalties are to corporate nations, not species or location, how did "the cats," as a group, start anything? Secondly, "race wars" are a thing at all in the setting? Thanks for the loving heads up, you loving useless writers. Jesus. For some reason the "taur" bird people also fly better, but... why? Wouldn't they be way loving huger and even less aerodynamic than the rest? I... I don't see the logic. I DO NOT SEE THE LOGIC. But hey, apparently in this setting, they do, and the bird people love their "angels" a lot! Their art is also poo poo, try to figure out how they ever pick up anything without knocking it over.  Good luck drinking coffee, shitbird The reptile section is another part that seems to jar with the earlier chapters. Nothing about the third wave mentions that they weren't just more "humans with bits glued" on, like the first wave was, during the actual fluff chapters, but the reptile section describes them as though they originated from reptiles that needed to be adjusted to human shapes and functioning, as apparently the "base creatures" they were made from were coldblooded and needed to be made warmblooded. The book also describes how they're "detached" because they're the most "visually different" Vector family... but then you get to their family art and they just... look like any other furry. When they're all basically human shaped with a few bits glued on, none of them are really that hugely distinct. They can even grow hair, so being the only superbald race doesn't even make them stand out.  Completely different from all the other furries, honest. Mustelidae is the obligatory fishmalk family who're WACKY and UNPREDICTABLE but totally, like, DEEP, anyway, duuuuude. Just because ferrets are kind of wacky critters in real life. Since their "family" also includes a bunch of poo poo beyond ferrets, like loving wolverines, it seems weird to base their entire stereotype on FERRETS SURE ARE GOOFY, HUH GUYS? I'd also like to point out that throughout this entire chapter, there's been all sorts of delightful references to craft-your-own-fursona options that I look forward to, like having two tails, or being a "snake," i.e. having literally no legs but just a weird, serpentine lower body. It also sounds like it's not restricted purely to the reptiles. So go ahead and enjoy imagining that applied to, like, a dog dude or whatever. Yuck.  Mustelidae is also loving ugly, even compared to the rest Species quote:the solar system is filled with billions of examples of every individual species, all intermingled and mixed. After 700 years,it’s awfully difficult to point to any single one and say “All wolves behave like you do.” B-but that's. Hrrrrgh. That's what you fuckers just DID! gently caress you! Anyway, this chapter is mercifully short, there are five subspecies for each of the five families(except for the birds, who only get four, because NO OWLS, THEY'RE SPOOKY DUDES NOW), and the only difference is that they each get one small skill bonus and snakes have to have no legs. Considering that the differences between, say, a cougar furry person and a lion furry person, is pretty much entirely one of appearance, it seems kind of weird to tie actual stat boosts to such a choice, since it basically just seems to go: "Hey, if you want your character to have a bonus to this particular trait, he/she has to have stripes!" It caps off with this retarded piece of art that I have to comment on, though, beyond the usual pissy little italicized textsnippet.  Okay, let's just look at what's loving happening here. Easy shots first, the loving font they use for all of these chapter-separating splash images is loving poo poo. I hate it. I hope whoever made it has his dick splashed with acid. Secondly, this snake appears to be doing a SUBTLE ASSASSINATION(and, apparently, the "YOU ARE A SNAKE"-disability also means no arms! That's loving retarded and hilarious at once), but it's got a loving GUN STRAPPED TO ITS HEAD. How is it going to make a subtle getaway? How? HOW? It doesn't even have any hands to take it off with after shooting that giant chicken! What's the point of an assassin who can't even OPEN DOORS? How is it going to get in anywhere without making a huge, obvious hole in [whatever barrier] or asking someone to open the door for it? THE FURRY SPACE FUTURE, YOU FUCKERS Anyway, next post I'll poke a bit more at chargen, maybe actually get far enough to understand what all these bonuses do or whether they really matter, and then make a retarded fursona. In space.
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theironjef posted:I should read that. I can't see a reason why you couldn't just run Angel stories using the Buffy rules, it's still about vampires and demons. Did they have a new set of merits like "junior partner at Wolfram & Hart" or what? (why am I asking why it exists, this is licensed gaming) No, it's just that they assumed everyone was going to be a supernatural of some stripe or would be a high-powered normal. They did have "build your own organization" rules, though.
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I loving hate those hands. I hate that loving chicken and his wet gross slimy hands and how he's disgustingly fat and holy poo poo it just looks like the first page in some creepy Deviantart porn comic. I seriously thought that we were going to get a description of horrific voreporn in this loving libertarian furry bullshit. This image literally disturbs me and gently caress whoever drew this disgusting fat greasechicken. EDIT: THAT'S A CHOCOBO. I thought it was just a furry cockatoo or something but no they don't come in that color of yellow, and it doesn't have the red cheeks of a cockatiel. That's a loving furry chocobo.  They can't even stick to real animals you fucks. Wapole Languray fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Jan 16, 2015 |
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Being a chocobo fixes how fat it is. There's precedent for fat chocobos.
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It looks like the cobra burned his way in through the window episode II style.. but those are some tiny tiny fangs for a snake that size...
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Oops, old news, delete. hyphz fucked around with this message at 20:22 on Jan 16, 2015 |
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No hey, don't edit your post, even if this is old news it's great poo poo.Amazon Ad Copy for Princess Lucinda's ABCs of Transformation posted:How do you get rid of millions of smelly and obnoxious humans? How do you get rid of millions of smelly and obnoxious humans? Princess Lucinda has a solution...a final solution, if you will.
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She's going to kill them all with an adz, I assume.
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Or run them over with a Toyota Atoz?
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The Lone Badger posted:There's an easy hack to make the HSD background make sense: It's an in-character document cut-and-pasted from a Marscorp primary education textbook. This is how my friend who actually bought the book views it this way. Of course, he admits there's literally no reason to play a Vector if you can play a Cog. I know Jeff and John on SystemMastery talk about the dangers of writing non-fluff material in "a voice" or a specific viewpoint instead of taking a neutral stance. PurpleXVI posted:Hc Svnt Dracones No octopii, no play.
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Every time I see a mention of the furry community I'm weirded out by how, well, mammal-centric it is. And how centered things are on specific orders of mammals. For instance, why are cat-people and dog-people two distinct groups but reptile-people just one? Where are the lemur-people, the elephant-people, pig-people, or even (because genetics are supposedly plug-and-play!) uplifted primates? Where are the frog-people, gatormen, or lungfish-people? Hell, why aren't we seeing squid-people or insect-people? And where does all this human-style head hair come from, not only on most if not all of the mammals but also on some of the reptiles? (The real answer is that the furry community is more insular and anthropocentric than they'd like to admit.) In full disclosure I have played two "anthro" characters in the past, but they were a bit...different. One was a snakeman much in the style of the Man-Serpents from Dark Souls 1, and the other was a fish-person intended as somewhere between Deep One and anglerfish. NGDBSS fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Jan 16, 2015 |
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NGDBSS posted:Every time I see a mention of the furry community I'm weirded out by how, well, mammal-centric it is. I think you've just figured out why they're called "furries."
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Young Freud posted:No octopii, no play. How can they possibly leave out octopi!? In Albedo, it's usually justified with 'Whoever created us had weird tastes.', which mostly means 'I think the author mostly liked drawing mammals', which is good enough for me. Plus, the add-on book contains their logic on species creation (turns out every species in the main book was created by an actual formula of how many stat points/skills it would have and some basic ideas about what kind of species gets what access to what gifts) with the caveat of 'You want to be a lizardman or whatever? Here's the means to make it mechanically balance with the existing guys, just make some lizards or octopi or whatevs.' HSD and Albedo are basically furry sci-fi Goofus and Gallant. I'll try to finish my review sometime today.
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NGDBSS posted:For instance, why are cat-people and dog-people two distinct groups but reptile-people just one? Where are the lemur-people, the elephant-people, pig-people, or even (because genetics are supposedly pulg-and-play!) uplifted primates? Where are the frog-people, gatormen, or lungfish-people? Hell, why aren't we seeing squid-people or insect-people?  Unfortunately the book has so many many other issues. Alternately: Because we've integrated Dogs, Cats, and other pet Mammals into a part of our everyday lives. We know how they behave better than other creatures so we can better differentiate those kinds of behavior into subgroupings. Everything else is outside of their knowledge and just gets lumped together. Like they shoved all the Mustelids into one group even though that both Ferrets and loving Wolverines. Kurieg fucked around with this message at 21:06 on Jan 16, 2015 |
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Simple answer: ask any given person their favorite animal. Most likely it'll be a mammal and specific mammals'll likely be more popular. The furry fandom isn't immune to that sort of thing. That plus influence from others in the subculture is why you get that kind of species spread.
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Also there's probably way more catgirl porn than lungfish-girl porn, just sayin'.
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NGDBSS posted:Every time I see a mention of the furry community I'm weirded out by how, well, mammal-centric it is. And how centered things are on specific orders of mammals. Yeah, I could see pig-people being made first and probably by accident on a regular basis because of they tend to be the hosts for transgenic experimentation and xenoimplantation. Even Margret Atwood made a comment on that in her Oryx & Crake series, with the pigoons, a commercial lab-generated pig-baboon hybrid that ends up outliving most of humanity. I've actually joked about elephant people, because I've had a story idea where animals gain humanoid shapes, gait, and opposable thumbs, and how a furry society would develop: it would center around herbivores, with big mammals like elephants, rhinos, horses, and cattle being the leaders, since they would be the ones who would develop agriculture and thus civilization first. One of the first acts the herbivore civilization does when it gets organized is committing genocide the predator species, since their existence would be a continual threat against their own existence, and turning omnivorous species like wolves into second class citizens, less they might recidive into their carnivorous instincts. quote:Where are the frog-people, gatormen, or lungfish-people? Hell, why aren't we seeing squid-people or insect-people? And where does all this human-style head hair come from, not only on most if not all of the mammals but also on some of the reptiles? (The real answer is that the furry community is more insular and anthropocentric than they'd like to admit.) If you notice, most of the animals used in the furry community tend to be pets, whether commonplace like dogs, cats, rabbits, and ferrets, or exotic like big cats. You might see work animals like cattle or horses occasionally when muscle (and the sex organs attached) needs to be applied, but they tend to be cute pets.
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Payndz posted:Or run them over with a Toyota Atoz? Send them all to Alcatraz.
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With that, it's time to finish up my review of Albedo: Platinum Catalyst No, I don't know what the hell a platinum catalyst is either. Alright, now that we're done with PC creation, background, and combat, it's time to get into optional rules. Now, I haven't gone into detail enough on the base rules to cover these in a lot of detail, but I really appreciate that they exist. They include rules for playing civilians (cops, contractors, refugees, etc), rules for calling for supporting and indirect fire, rules for space-suit equipped zero-G infantry combat, that kind of thing, alternate rules for shooting through cover, . Ways to expand out from the base concept of 'A couple fireteams of infantry go deal with some terrible poo poo'. It also includes some suggestions for altering the tone, if you prefer. If you want a more romantic space opera about square-jawed space GIs battling evil rabbit Cobra, have big, larger than life villains you have personal relationships with, and keep things focused on the personal scale. Even when it talks about going for 'realism' in that the PCs are just a small squad or two in a huge war, it still tells you to never forget the story is about your PCs and that they should either have a pivotal rule in some engagement at some point, or if you prefer to keep to the smaller scale, they should still make a noticeable difference they can see. Basically, you don't have to save the world, just get that refugee family to safety or successfully cover the medic while he rescues wounded EDF troops, etc. The general advice is always to know your players, figure out what people want out of the game, and go for that. Next comes the part that isn't very good. Firstly, the armory chapter is adequate for being a light or heavy infantry unit, but without any vehicles until the add-on book, it kind of makes a couple of the specialties a bit left out without extensive houseruling. The guns are also functional but unexciting; there'll be more interesting ones in Structural Integrity, but the general theme is 'Assault Rifle, Carbine, Machine Pistol, Combat Shotgun, Grenade Launcher, LMG, HMG, A-10 cannon, Marksman Rifle, Sniper Rifle.' And then the ILR has some similar but sorta shittier guns with high mag cap because you being Existentialist Furry Space NATO, the rabbits are obviously a bit Space Watership Down Warsaw Pact in gear. The worst part of the book comes when it gets to advancement. The Recovery rules are a little over-simulationist (it takes a hell of a long time to recover from real damage, and a doctor, social coordinator/spin doctor, or psychologist can only speed it up, not restore damage) but functional when you remember you've got a huge stock of spare characters to adventure around as if need be, but the real problem is advancement. You advance every 3 sessions, earning a Low, then a Medium, then a Low, then a Medium, then a Low, then a single High advance, and the game isn't clear on if you get to pick one thing listed from the advance tables or get the entirety of a Low, Medium, or High advance. Characters advance at a glacial pace if it's the former, if it's the latter you suddenly have big jumps in ability that are still very restrictive and very much reward minmaxing at character creation because only High advances can advance a skill that's way up there in rank, while Lows mostly just get you the basics of new skills. Also, only Medium and High gain new Gifts, so to gain an Advanced Gift (one that has prerequisites, and these are often very powerful, like the ability to give Squaddies 2 or more Morale for each point of Clout spent rallying them) would take, RAW, 18 sessions of play. It's an overly abstract system of advancement that could really use errata to clear it up, but Albedo has no official errata and I can't find an official ruling on the issue. Advancement is bad. There's more detail I can go into about the game if people want, but at the end of the day it's an interesting game that has been quite fun to play in my limited experience. Fights are tense and get the tone across well, the setting has some interesting hooks to get into, and it feels like it avoids being an ideologue or descending into full on Grimdark Shitpit mode. It's a furry game that's much more focused on being a military sci-fi setting devoid of space wizards and soul lasers, which I really appreciate. It's an odd, obscure little game, but I'm glad someone took the time to make it, because I've enjoyed playing and running it. Oh, also, on the subject of crazy furry poo poo, there's a side-note in the book on predator/prey relations that's just 'Jesus loving christ, while there have been incidents of cannibalism, they happen solely in the extreme deprivation of starvation or crazy loving serial killers you nutjobs, no-one eats people.'
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NGDBSS posted:Where are the frog-people, gatormen, or lungfish-people? Hell, why aren't we seeing squid-people or insect-people? I figured that they would atleast have one or two families that would be 'other', like insects, aquatics, and whatever else. Actually...Im willing to bet there will be references to insect kin or fish kin later in the books but arent available in chargen because 
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theironjef posted:Xander was the only normal in the Scoobies by the end, too. I mean maybe Dawn too, but she was also like a magical key or something. Plus no one likes her. Dawn was a magical key that had all the amazing powers of an ordinary 15 year old girl. The last season went to some lengths to demonstrate that "no, really, she's just a normal person." Her, Xander, Giles and Anya (by that point) were just normal people with normal people powers at the time of the finale, along with a couple other dudes that the group had picked up that season. By my understanding, the Angel RPG added a lot more rules for playing different kinds of supernatural characters and makes the assumption that they will make up most of your party. I've not actually read Angel RPG, though, so I guess I could have been misinformed there, or maybe they weren't extensive enough to warrant an entirely different game. (Also I liked Dawn : ( )
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Y'know, if they wanted to make one of those groups the mad killers, it should have been the weasels. Sure, cats are killers and most are pretty big, but their prey tends to be roughly on par with them in regards to size. A least weasel? They can bring down rabbits with are significantly bigger than them. It'd be like a lion climbing on top of an adult elephant and killing it by severing its spine. But the split between felidae and canidae makes some sense within that group as order Carnivora has a feliformes and caniformes supergrouping that divides carnivores into whether their phenotype shares more in common with cats or dogs. Still doesn't make half assing the reptiles acceptable or even forgetting something like goatmen or deer people.
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Tasoth posted:Y'know, if they wanted to make one of those groups the mad killers, it should have been the weasels. Sure, cats are killers and most are pretty big, but their prey tends to be roughly on par with them in regards to size. A least weasel? They can bring down rabbits with are significantly bigger than them. It'd be like a lion climbing on top of an adult elephant and killing it by severing its spine. But the split between felidae and canidae makes some sense within that group as order Carnivora has a feliformes and caniformes supergrouping that divides carnivores into whether their phenotype shares more in common with cats or dogs. Still doesn't make half assing the reptiles acceptable or even forgetting something like goatmen or deer people. It's basically more evidence of how little the writer of HSD knows anything beyond what furries of his type want
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Xelkelvos posted:It's basically more evidence of how little the writer of HSD knows anything beyond what furries of his type want The big surprise out of this? No Vulpines. Where's an furry thing without foxes?
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Young Freud posted:The big surprise out of this? No Vulpines. Where's an furry thing without foxes? Canidae is also a family group as well as a genus - the red fox is Canis vulpes vulpes, for example.
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Aren't they usually lumped in with the other Canids? I mean they're in the Canidae Family.
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Kurieg posted:Aren't they usually lumped in with the other Canids? I mean they're in the Canidae Family. I suppose, but not typically. There's a lot of physiological and behavioral differences between them and canis that, while the taxonomy divides Candidae into something like 9 genii, DNA analysis suggests that there's something like 3 clades or tribes between those genii: true canines, which is the wolves, dogs, jackals, coyotes, dholes, etc.; true vulpines, which include various foxes; and the basal canines, which includes the raccoon dog and the bat-eared fox.
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