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CapnAndy posted:Did his defense team know about that journal? Every time they throw up a hail mary it's right there going HAHA NOPE. defense isn't doing this, these should still be witnesses for the prosecution prosecution wants the friend to testify because it ties ulbricht to both the creation of SR and the events in the chat logs. a random hacker wouldn't know about ulbricht's conversation with his friend. also provides context for that chat log, which casts a lot of doubt on the argument that ulbricht sold SR. nothing conclusive if there were no other connection between ulbricht and the laptop / chat logs, but... proving that ulbricht created SR is unnecessary because the defense apparently stipulated it in their opening arguments, but the prosecution wouldn't have been able to plan their case around that
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Robawesome posted:http://www.dailydot.com/crime/ulbricht-usa-transcript-120/ "...lead defense attorney Joshua Dratel claimed his case was being "eviscerated" in an "unfair" matter." 
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MGN001 posted:Update from Sarah Jeong  Goddamn, somehow this thing keeps getting better.
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even if you completely discount ulbricht himself this trial is fantastic just for how much it's making a goddamn lawyer squirm 
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rjmccall posted:defense isn't doing this, these should still be witnesses for the prosecution This makes sense. The case is vulnerable to the idea that someone else took over SR and set Ulbricht up to be the fall guy without tying Ulbricht to the events in the logs and diaries. If there's corroborating evidence that the logs and diaries are Ulbricht's then he's really screwed.
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haveblue posted:don't hate lawyers for doing their job. everyone gets the best defense their attorney can mount, that's how the system works. and it's not the lawyer's fault his client's hobby is inventing new ways to incriminate himself I wonder if the firm hired for the defense took one look at the case and decided to draw straws for who was going to take this loss, or if they just sent their intern also  at the defense complaining that it's unfair how dead to rights they have him
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haveblue posted:don't hate lawyers for doing their job. everyone gets the best defense their attorney can mount, that's how the system works. and it's not the lawyer's fault his client's hobby is inventing new ways to incriminate himself every lawyer is poo poo until you need one, and then he's your best friend
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Dren posted:This makes sense. The case is vulnerable to the idea that someone else took over SR and set Ulbricht up to be the fall guy without tying Ulbricht to the events in the logs and diaries. If there's corroborating evidence that the logs and diaries are Ulbricht's then he's really screwed. at this point the defense must be praying that the jury gets so loving confused by the technical terms and the nature of the case that they think it's reasonable that someone else could have planted all of those logs on his computer while faking details that only ulbricht would have known
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i gotta be totally honest I never expected the trial to be this insanely funny, it's way beyond all my hopes and dreams
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MGN001 posted:Update from Sarah Jeong oh COME ON
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haveblue posted:don't hate lawyers for doing their job. everyone gets the best defense their attorney can mount, that's how the system works. and it's not the lawyer's fault his client's hobby is inventing new ways to incriminate himself Dratel deserves some kind of medal for not bursting into bitter laughter while presenting his various Hail Mary defenses and for not literally dope-slapping his client at the defense table, constantly, like some kind of Twelve Angry Stooges highlight reel a great attorney-American 
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Magrov posted:mastermind.php i know it surely isn't, but i so badly want it to be like am ascii picture of ulbrecht's smiling face
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uncurable mlady posted:at this point the defense must be praying that the jury gets so loving confused by the technical terms and the nature of the case that they think it's reasonable that someone else could have planted all of those logs on his computer while faking details that only ulbricht would have known i think this is what theyre doing, the defense is hoping the jury is hearing the prosecutors' case as pure technobabble and then offering their own. technobabble vs technobabble, welp no way to be sure i guess both sides are valid.
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As a Millennial I posted:so is ross going to testify in a way he already has
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text editor posted:in a way he already has
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text editor posted:in a way he already has
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text editor posted:in a way he already has
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text editor posted:in a way he already has
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text editor posted:in a way he already has
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Sarah said the protesters were there last week but are gone now. the defense didn't want them there either there are a bunch of guards with machine guns though because of a terrorism trial running concurrently inside.
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text editor posted:in a way he already has
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FCKGW posted:Sarah said the protesters were there last week but are gone now. the defense didn't want them there either i think that those are actually MEN WITH GUNS who are there to put ross in a cage
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uncurable mlady posted:at this point the defense must be praying that the jury gets so loving confused by the technical terms and the nature of the case that they think it's reasonable that someone else could have planted all of those logs on his computer while faking details that only ulbricht would have known maybe the defense's key maneuver will be having slipped an entire jury who recently saw Gone Girl under the uncultured prosecutor's nose
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i feel sad when imagining what ross's mom must be going through. gently caress that guy, he should serve at least 20 just for the crime of making a mom sad.
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Just imagine she's one of those racist moms.
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the relevant parts aren't really technobable though, how hard is it to understand "here is Ross' journal were he tells us, yes, I am commiting crimes." The defense relies on way more compunonsense which the prosecutors seem to just be slapping down as pointless speculation about an implausible frame job Ron Paul Atreides fucked around with this message at 02:54 on Jan 23, 2015 |
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SynthOrange posted:Just imagine she's one of those racist moms. doesn't help, my grandma was pretty racist 
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Ron Paul Atreides posted:the relevant parts aren't really technobable though, how hard is it to understand "here is Ross' journal were he tells us, yes, I am commiting crimes." you got any better ideas for the defense?
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i don't know anything about lawyering but, my assumption is that your career would only be hurt by making arguments that aren't logically sound. so that leaves you with disputing whether or not evidence presented by the prosecution is factual that poor fellow
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ross's mom sold her house for the defense money and moved to new york to be nearer to him for the trial, i feel bad for her too, that house was probably a significant portion of what she'd one day retire on.
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fermun posted:ross's mom sold her house for the defense money and moved to new york to be nearer to him for the trial, i feel bad for her too, that house was probably a significant portion of what she'd one day retire on.  give him 16 consecutive life sentences please
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