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Aww, he sold em. BUT DAT JAX YO
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Xerath definitely had about 3 windows of time he could have empowered recalled there, but he probably forgot about that ability.
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Jan 23, 2015 19:53
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what the hell happened to CW, they used to be good
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Jan 23, 2015 19:54
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Thumbtacks posted:what the hell happened to CW, they used to be good Forgiven left, Bjergsen left, Amazing left.
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Jan 23, 2015 19:55
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Transient People posted:Forgiven left, Bjergsen left, Amazing left. oh right
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Jan 23, 2015 19:55
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They made it so you couldn't buy two regular boots. You can buy boots when you have an upgraded boots.
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Jan 23, 2015 19:56
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Also I'm no coach, but I would definitely ban Jax against Giants in the future. Considering Werlyb will seemingly play it into anything and relentlessly win with it.
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Jan 23, 2015 19:57
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I can't believe I'm saying this because I've never been a huge fan of his but Amazing has somehow become really underrated.
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Jan 23, 2015 19:57
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Sexpansion posted:I can't believe I'm saying this because I've never been a huge fan of his but Amazing has somehow become really underrated. I'm really surprised that he and Dexter are both FAs right now. Those guys are easily better than half the junglers in competitive.
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Jan 23, 2015 19:58
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Amazing is on xPeke's new team, right? Maybe they will make LCS next split, their roster certainly seems strong enough to be mid tier among the current teams.
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Jan 23, 2015 19:59
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I kind of want CW to win just because I have no idea how it'd happen and I want to see an absurd comeback.
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Jan 23, 2015 19:59
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Flameingblack posted:Jax just casually 4v1'ing in the baron pit. Shaka, when the walls fell. Jax, in the baron pit.
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Jan 23, 2015 20:00
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Libertine posted:I'm really surprised that he and Dexter are both FAs right now. Those guys are easily better than half the junglers in competitive. Amazing is on Origen. I bet he could have easily got on an LCS team but Origen is almost guaranteed to get into LCS next split by winning Challenger. They are by far the strongest team. The scrims / ranked 5s that have been posted of them is just them making GBS threads on every other challenger team and some lcs teams.
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Jan 23, 2015 20:00
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Libertine posted:I'm really surprised that he and Dexter are both FAs right now. Those guys are easily better than half the junglers in competitive. I'd be willing to take a chance on Amazing but I wouldn't risk Dexter coming and and getting into fights with the midlaner. Transient People posted:I wouldn't be so sure. Jax counters Gnar, or so the theorycraft goes. I wanna see him fight a Renekton or Irelia before saying he's that good. Game 1 had Jax versus Renekton. Giants seem to have really strong top/jungler synergy so I'd consider the ban since they're 2/2 in getting their Jax fed. Hypocrisy fucked around with this message at 20:05 on Jan 23, 2015 |
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Jan 23, 2015 20:01
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Libertine posted:Also I'm no coach, but I would definitely ban Jax against Giants in the future. Considering Werlyb will seemingly play it into anything and relentlessly win with it. I wouldn't be so sure. Jax counters Gnar, or so the theorycraft goes. I wanna see him fight a Renekton or Irelia before saying he's that good. Sexpansion posted:I can't believe I'm saying this because I've never been a huge fan of his but Amazing has somehow become really underrated. He fed at worlds but he's still a vast update over like 80% of the junglers in competitive. Definitely a guy who could become truly world class if he could be convinced to shape up, compared to like Airwaks.
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Dexter aggressively flashing over a wall and snowballing someone with full health as Nunu is probably my favorite league play of all time. I think Dexter ended up dying, or the other person just walked away.
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Good job Giants. Quality laning with some hiccups as the game went on.
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Transient People posted:I wouldn't be so sure. Jax counters Gnar, or so the theorycraft goes. I wanna see him fight a Renekton or Irelia before saying he's that good. He snowballed out of control just yesterday against mimer's renekton but mimer is poo poo so who knows. Still think its worth to ban him so you don't have to bet it all on picking a top lane counter that will probably fall off late game no matter what.
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Maybe its because I haven't watched pro lol since S2, or ive been watching a lot of pro dota, but games hitting 35 minutes with under 20 kills seems even more passive then usually, and this is for a game that used to be known for 20 minutes of nothing happening.
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Turtle Sandbox posted:Maybe its because I haven't watched pro lol since S2, or ive been watching a lot of pro dota, but games hitting 35 minutes with under 20 kills seems even more passive then usually, and this is for a game that used to be known for 20 minutes of nothing happening. It's an EU LCS thing, not a League thing. Most NA and Korean games are usually significantly more active and less incredibly clown-y (though NA is only marginally better), and Chinese League is extremely bloodthirsty apparently.
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AParadox posted:He snowballed out of control just yesterday against mimer's renekton but mimer is poo poo so who knows. Still think its worth to ban him so you don't have to bet it all on picking a top lane counter that will probably fall off late game no matter what. Yeah, fair. I'd definitely want to see like, Fredy's Lissandra vs Werlyb's Jax but if you can actually force him to play worse with a ban, do it. It's the Wickd's Principle at work. Turtle Sandbox posted:Maybe its because I haven't watched pro lol since S2, or ive been watching a lot of pro dota, but games hitting 35 minutes with under 20 kills seems even more passive then usually, and this is for a game that used to be known for 20 minutes of nothing happening. It's just EU being EU. Games aren't more passive, it's just that stupid mistakes happen less, map control is a bit tighter, and we've just seen two teams who had a very good idea of what the gently caress they were supposed to be doing executing their strats to win in convincing fashion. The next game should be a much sloppier, kill-heavy game.
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Turtle Sandbox posted:Maybe its because I haven't watched pro lol since S2, or ive been watching a lot of pro dota, but games hitting 35 minutes with under 20 kills seems even more passive then usually, and this is for a game that used to be known for 20 minutes of nothing happening. League has never been as kill-heavy as DOTA for a lot of reasons, but these games haven't been particularly low in kills. So this is probably about the average for competitive league right now. There's no buybacks, remember, so if you ace a team in the late mid game or end game you can often end the game right there. Edit: If you want bloodthirsty watch Chinese league, all they do is fight and ignore objectives.
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Jan 23, 2015 20:14
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I'm just waiting for UoL to blow out Elements and make people angry.
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Jax is a counter to Gnar? Jax seems like a terrible matchup into both Renekton and Gnar, and he completely power-bombed both of them. I'm not sure though. I haven't seen a lot of Jax since Gnar came out. This game might have been the first time I've seen the two matched up in competitive.
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Lightning Knight posted:It's an EU LCS thing, not a League thing. Most NA and Korean games are usually significantly more active and less incredibly clown-y (though NA is only marginally better), and Chinese League is extremely bloodthirsty apparently. Chinese league is super clowny.
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Libertine posted:Jax is a counter to Gnar? Jax seems like a terrible matchup into both Renekton and Gnar, and he completely power-bombed both of them. Jax destroys Gnar in theory because his leap outranges hop (so gnar has no escape), he ignores autos (so forget about proccing hyper) and he has a stupid huge defensive steroid (so all of Gnar's good bases go into the shitter when Jax presses R). And he gets stronger as the fight goes on while Gnar gets weaker because of his post-morph phase. Renekton is traditionally a considerably worse matchup for Jax than Gnar, because of how a lot of his damage can't be nulled by Counterstrike. This is all theory, mind, because I can confirm this is literally the first Jax/Gnar pro lane ever, but it's what I've observed in every elo I've spectated in soloqueue, from challenger to trashcan.
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Jan 23, 2015 20:19
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Another Xerath blind pick... Don't do this to me, Roccat.
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That all makes sense. I just figured that the ubiquity of first-pick Gnar and his kit versatility made him virtually uncounterable and also figured that Jax has a hard time getting that first foothold against almost all the meta picks, but those justifications seem to be clear advantages in many ways and Werlyb especially seems to have no problem playing it into Gnar.Aumanor posted:Another Xerath blind pick... Don't do this to me, Roccat. With the Fizz response. Hopefully Xerath has his dancing shoes.
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Poke comp vs all in megadives. Somebody is gonna go 0-20 here. EDIT: quote:That all makes sense. I just figured that the ubiquity of first-pick Gnar and his kit versatility made him virtually uncounterable and also figured that Jax has a hard time getting that first foothold against almost all the meta picks, but those justifications seem to be clear advantages in many ways and Werlyb especially seems to have no problem playing it into Gnar. Gnar really had no counter until Jax got his Counterstrike CD buff. Shaving two seconds off it is just absolutely enormous and makes him really hard to fight with autoattack reliant champs, even if his health is still nerfed.
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Libertine posted:That all makes sense. I just figured that the ubiquity of first-pick Gnar and his kit versatility made him virtually uncounterable and also figured that Jax has a hard time getting that first foothold against almost all the meta picks, but those justifications seem to be clear advantages in many ways and Werlyb especially seems to have no problem playing it into Gnar. They spent about four patches nerfing Gnar into the ground, before he was really, really dominant top lane and most melee top laners ended up doing gently caress all against him. Now his numbers have been hit so hard most melee carry tops with gap closers (Jax/Irelia/Aatrox) can poo poo down his throat right as he's about to transform back to mini-Gnar.
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Gnar nerfs haven't really impacted his pro popularity at all. If anything he's more popular than he was at his peak because he's not banned permanently.
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I think an early skirmisher's on Lee Sin is really smart. You can use it to invade or countergank early and then switch to chilling smite later.
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I think it's far too much to call Jax a Gnar counter. Gnar can bully him pretty hard early on (Your 70 mana, 16 second cooldown counterstrike does not even come close to protecting you from Gnar's autoattacks) and he can, you know, always use his hop after Jax uses his jump. Being resource-less while Jax is limited by Mana is a big advantage early on too. I wouldn't look at Giants v. CW as evidence either way with the strong jungler presence in the lane during the first few minutes.
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Hypocrisy posted:I think it's far too much to call Jax a Gnar counter. Gnar can bully him pretty hard early on (Your 70 mana, 16 second cooldown counterstrike does not even come close to protecting you from Gnar's autoattacks) and he can, you know, always use his hop after Jax uses his jump. Being resource-less while Jax is limited by Mana is a big advantage early on too. That assumes Jax is going to hop before Gnar does. That's a bad assumption to make because he won't unless the jungler's about to poo poo on Gnar with a gank, precisely because if Jax hops first he loses. I'm not saying it's an EASY countermatchup, because it requires you to play well and very precisely time your counterstrike so Gnar gets no Hyper procs on the approach (or else he'll kite you), but a flask + tele start gives you enough mana for persistent aggression. I'll cop to the fact that this is still theory until we see more Jax/Gnar though. One match ain't data. And on a more current note, goddamn Vander. He's on fire after that shitshow yesterday! Guess Roccat is less of a fraud than Gambit.
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Nukeduck didn't hit a single charge of ult during that post-dragon fight.
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Transient People posted:And on a more current note, goddamn Vander. He's on fire after that shitshow yesterday! Guess Roccat is less of a fraud than Gambit. I think Vander and Jankos have always been really really solid players. It's the rest of their roster that's always been super inconsistent.
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Was nukeduck as meh yesterday as he's been today?
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The more competitive I watch this season, the more convinced I am that dragons are incredibly important and junglers who are able to both be relevant and secure objectives (ie. Lee Sin but not Elise) are going to be really, really valuable.Hypocrisy posted:Was nukeduck as meh yesterday as he's been today? Yes.
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"OVERPOW TRYING TO BECOME THE KAZEKAGE!" Quickshot you are irrepressibly nerdy. Irrepressibly!
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