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Regy Rusty
Apr 26, 2010

Mu Zeta posted:

If PoI good in the way Arrow or Supernatural is good or is it actually good like Homeland season 4.

It's leagues better than Arrow in every way. That's the only part of your question I can answer.

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xeria
Jul 26, 2004

Ruh roh...

Mu Zeta posted:

If PoI good in the way Arrow or Supernatural is good or is it actually good like Homeland season 4.

It is better than all three of those.

VDay
Jul 2, 2003

I'm Pacman Jones!

Mu Zeta posted:

If PoI good in the way Arrow or Supernatural is good or is it actually good like Homeland season 4.

I love Arrow but PoI gets Legitimately Good.

Vanderdeath
Oct 1, 2005

I will confess,
I love this cultured hell that tests my youth.



Is Homeland Season 4 any good because I just...couldn't after Season 3.

Sober
Nov 19, 2011

First touch: Life.
Second touch: Dead again. Forever.
Arrow/Flash are good but they really don't have much to say. If you're into that kind of stuff.

POI I would easily qualify as a quality show even on the surface level but explore interesting and relevant themes and treat it with a certain amount of respect and gravity. Even The 100 (hell even Reign) explores certain themes and treat them with actual gravity than something like Arrow/Flash.

Rageaholic
May 31, 2005

Old Town Road to EGOT

Vanderdeath posted:

Is Homeland Season 4 any good because I just...couldn't after Season 3.
Heh, nope.

Well, let me rephrase that: it had a couple of episodes that showed a hell of a lot of potential, but the majority of the season was awful and not worth wasting your time on.

Slamhound
Mar 27, 2010
You just have to manage your expectations when watching season 1 of Person of Interest. It's entertaining, but literally a by-the-numbers CBS procedural where a computer that tells Ben Linus and Jesus Christ to kneecap bad guys every week. Greater plots and themes all emerge and the show becomes amazing, but it's all comes from that premise. Skipping episodes kinda misses the point.

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

SUCK A DICK, DUMBSHITS!

Regy Rusty posted:

It's leagues better than Arrow in every way. That's the only part of your question I can answer.

I concur, as someone who really likes Arrow. Homeland... no comment, season 1 owned though.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

Regy Rusty posted:

It's leagues better than Arrow in every way. That's the only part of your question I can answer.

Well except acting.

It's actually worse at that than a CW show starring a bunch of soap actors.

Irish Joe
Jul 23, 2007

by Lowtax

Sober posted:

Irish Joe is probably one of those sickos on tumblr that actually hate POI but only watch the episodes where both Root and Shaw are present and hate it at the moment.

I'm not a Root fan and hate that there's a de facto relationship between the two characters despite 1) Shaw showing no interest in Root and 2) Root being an abusive, predatory weirdo. I get that people still love ‎Amy Acker from her Whedon stuff, but Root is just the worst character on the show.

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

SUCK A DICK, DUMBSHITS!

Irish Joe posted:

I'm not a Root fan and hate that there's a de facto relationship between the two characters despite 1) Shaw showing no interest in Root and 2) Root being an abusive, predatory weirdo. I get that people still love ‎Amy Acker from her Whedon stuff, but Root is just the worst character on the show.

I mean no character is going to be as awesome as Bear, so that's kind of unfair.

whowhatwhere
Mar 15, 2010

SHINee's back
Bear is highly overrated imo.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012
PoI has a solid first season and an insanely good second season(so far). 1/4 the episodes would qualify for comedy even though the tone is still mostly serious, especially anything involving Tao, a recurring scumbag. It gets to the point where his 4th/5th appearance as a PoI has him quiz the guys who came to confront him, and when finding out they plan to kill him Tao goes "Oh poo poo, you guys need to get out of here, like right now" before John walks in to bust them up.

There's also a great scene where John is in jail, the first few attempts to break him loose failed, and near the end when he does get on on his own, it the cuts to Harold dressed in full body armor loading a smoke grenade launcher panickly saying over the phone"I've got an escape plan and you're not going to like it but this is all that's left!" before he finds out John is free.

Also, I may be wrong, but I think all of the heads of the 5 mob families are all former Sopranos actors.

Sophia
Apr 16, 2003

The heart wants what the heart wants.

muscles like this? posted:

Its just a New York thing, you can see the same thing with Law & Order.

Even moreso than actors, what I notice with New York shows is locations. As someone who watched Gossip Girl, White Collar and now Elementary, every episode is like "hey it's that place!" I'm almost positive an Elementary episode had a murder in Blair Waldorf's house once.

Wandle Cax
Dec 15, 2006

Vanderdeath posted:

Is Homeland Season 4 any good because I just...couldn't after Season 3.

Yeah it is good, nice buildup and some moments of extreme tension later on in the season. A fun ride except for the disappointing finale and a few moments of questionable Carrie moments particularly early in the season.

Regy Rusty
Apr 26, 2010

Aphrodite posted:

Well except acting.

It's actually worse at that than a CW show starring a bunch of soap actors.

Hahaha

Rageaholic
May 31, 2005

Old Town Road to EGOT

Wandle Cax posted:

A fun ride except for the disappointing finale and a few moments of questionable Carrie moments particularly early in the season.
Questionable Carrie moments is like the majority of what Homeland is at this point, though.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Rageaholic Monkey posted:

Questionable Carrie moments is like the majority of what Homeland is at this point, though.

Everything single Homeland season 4 episode requires you to remember that

a) Carrie is extremely bipolar
b) Carrie hid said condition from the CIA for years, got caught, and underwent electroshock treatment
c) Carrie slept with a major terrorist suspect
d) Said terror suspect then blew up the CIA HQ according to common knowledge
e) Carrie risked multiple ops to the point where an agent (Quinn) shot her to stop her from blowing an op
f) Carrie is now in charge of a major CIA station, and a-e did not effect her rise to power in any way

Then watch as Carrie makes terrible decision after terrible decision and somehow the show still expects you to route for her/support her when she's a colossal mess who fucks up constantly.

Homeland fans will keep insisting "No you don't understand, its all about the slow burn you plebs" but in reality the show is a jumbled mess with a brilliant episode here and there that does nothing to diminish how moronic the show is in the other times.

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

Homeland also had that family drama that went on for way too long. And it introduced another one right at the season 4 finale. What the gently caress guys.

e: The Wire is streaming in HD on Amazon Prime. loving awesome.

Mu Zeta fucked around with this message at 06:22 on Jan 25, 2015

Metropolis
Apr 6, 2006
Has any show had a worse fall from grace than Homeland?

I watched the pilot for The Man in the High Castle, it was alright but aside from the concept and setting didn't have anything that really stood out. But if they make more then I'll watch it.

PS. Person of Interest owns and the first season starts kinda shakey but constantly gets better and I think is pretty solid after episode 13 or so. I remember not really caring about the flashbacks, but they pay off by the end of the season. A lesser show would have dragged that poo poo out for the show's entire run.

So far the second half of season 2 and the first half of season 3 are probably the high water mark of the show. Season 4 is pretty good so far too.

raditts
Feb 21, 2001

The Kwanzaa Bot is here to protect me.


No Wave posted:

In some sense, every episode is the same episode over and over - I'd be surprised if anyone could name a favorite episode of the show. But this is actually very true-to-life - usually people find themselves in the same sorts of conflicts, repeatedly, but in different contexts. Someone who finds themselves doing all of the lovely grunt work at their old job will probably find a way to end up doing that at their new job, as well. It's like as individuals, we're running the same run loop over and over, and our problems all end up taking the same tone even in different contexts. It seemed so grossly unfair that there was always this nasty feeling of mortification whenever Adam had to resolve something and Crosby's problems - even an accidental kid - end up turning out just fine for him with no pain or stress attached. (This changed a bit this season, with reality finally catching up to Crosby with the Luncheonette's failure.)

How do you have a favorite episode of a show that, after the first season, is basically dedicated to showing miserable things happen to miserable people? I had to quit watching that show because it was just straight up depressing.

Irish Joe posted:

For gently caress's sake guys, stop listening to the people telling you to suffer through seven hours of garbage television. Nobody, not even PoI fans, like the first season. SKIP IT and get to the actual poo poo people have been praising in this, and many other, topics.

I liked POI from the beginning, myself. I don't think it's really dire at any point unless you're one of those people that shits their pants over :argh: PROCEDURALS :argh:.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
PoI's procedural stuff is competent but not that amazing, and it wasn't until the first Elias episode (and then the Rear Window one) that they really demonstrated what they could do with the show.

I'm really, really glad I wasn't watching S1 as it aired.

Metropolis posted:

Has any show had a worse fall from grace than Homeland?
Dexter?

CeeJee
Dec 4, 2001
Oven Wrangler

Regy Rusty posted:

It's leagues better than Arrow in every way. That's the only part of your question I can answer.

As much as I love POI the action scenes are executed poorly compared to how ambitious they are written. Almost everything in a shootout is done digitally in post so you get Amy Acker waving her guns akimbo in the vague direction this episode's legion of heavily armed opponents are who then fall over and lie there quietly with bullets in their legs. They film in New York where it's very hard to do any practical pyrotechnics so I understand why they do it, they should really just write less big action set pieces as they can't show them properly.

The Reese vs. US Marshalls scene was one they did really well by showing very little of the actual action, just the confusion and panic.

CeeJee fucked around with this message at 08:25 on Jan 25, 2015

Celery Jello
Mar 21, 2005
Slippery Tilde

pentyne posted:

Everything single Homeland season 4 episode requires you to remember that

a) Carrie is extremely bipolar
b) Carrie hid said condition from the CIA for years, got caught, and underwent electroshock treatment
c) Carrie slept with a major terrorist suspect
d) Said terror suspect then blew up the CIA HQ according to common knowledge
e) Carrie risked multiple ops to the point where an agent (Quinn) shot her to stop her from blowing an op
f) Carrie is now in charge of a major CIA station, and a-e did not effect her rise to power in any way

Then watch as Carrie makes terrible decision after terrible decision and somehow the show still expects you to route for her/support her when she's a colossal mess who fucks up constantly.

Homeland fans will keep insisting "No you don't understand, its all about the slow burn you plebs" but in reality the show is a jumbled mess with a brilliant episode here and there that does nothing to diminish how moronic the show is in the other times.

I've taken to treating that show like Glee, where I pretend Homeland ended with Brody detonating at the end of Season One and there are no episodes after that.

Xandu
Feb 19, 2006


It's hard to be humble when you're as great as I am.

whowhatwhere posted:

Bear is highly overrated imo.

I think you'll find you're wrong.

http://entertainthis.usatoday.com/2014/09/17/see-what-the-person-of-interest-dog-did-this-summer/

less laughter
May 7, 2012

Accelerock & Roll

Vanderdeath posted:

Is Homeland Season 4 any good because I just...couldn't after Season 3.

It's back to its season 1 greatness.

Rocksicles
Oct 19, 2012

by Nyc_Tattoo
my brother reckons it's way better, but i missed most of season 2 and all of season 3 because it was poo poo. Not sure i could catch up

Rageaholic
May 31, 2005

Old Town Road to EGOT

less laughter posted:

It's back to its season 1 greatness.
That is so not true. There's no Brody!

Well, there is in one episode, but Carrie's hallucinating.

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK
Sep 11, 2001



Metropolis posted:

Has any show had a worse fall from grace than Homeland?

Has any Showtime show not poo poo the bed after 1 season?

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

Was The Big C any good? Seems like that show came and went real quick and nobody noticed.

Stargate SG-1 was on Showtime for the first 4-5 years and it got better every year.

X-O
Apr 28, 2002

Long Live The King!

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:

Has any Showtime show not poo poo the bed after 1 season?

Shameless has gotten better every season.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Metropolis posted:

Has any show had a worse fall from grace than Homeland?

Heroes?

Granted, it didn't have as far to fall.

SHVPS4DETH
Mar 19, 2009

seen so much i'm going blind
and i'm brain-dead virtually





Ramrod XTreme

Metropolis posted:

Has any show had a worse fall from grace than Homeland?

Glee. It's not even close.

Rocksicles
Oct 19, 2012

by Nyc_Tattoo

Deadpool posted:

Shameless has gotten better every season.

not quite, last season was ultra depressing and nowhere near as funny.

Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

Half the posters in this forum have been made up. This website is a goddamn ghost town.
I remember how big Glee was on TVIV when it started, Glee gang tags were everywhere.

X-O
Apr 28, 2002

Long Live The King!

Rocksicles posted:

not quite, last season was ultra depressing and nowhere near as funny.

But it was better.

Rocksicles
Oct 19, 2012

by Nyc_Tattoo

Deadpool posted:

But it was better.

Dunno about that, i had to stop watching it then catch up later, it didn't feel anywhere near as good at the time.

ufarn
May 30, 2009
The third season was awful and where I quit. I've tried so many times to go through it, but there was just too much misery porn.

The first two seasons were absolutely fantastic, though.

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~
The latest episode of Glee involved:

- Sue worshipping her Klaine shrine
- Sue using a surveillance drone to spy on Will
- Sue revealing that Blaine and Karofsky (who are dating) are third cousins
- Sue hypnotising Sam to kiss Rachel and steal Will's mail
- Becky dressed in a giant lobster suit

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Rocksicles
Oct 19, 2012

by Nyc_Tattoo
Why are you sullying this thread with Glee bollocks Rarity?

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