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Valeyard posted:I am playing through the latest UFC game just now. I take it you mean they're on top? Then no, unless someone really fucks up and gives up their neck for a guillotine while completing a takedown. Fighters like to be on top unless they are extremely unskilled there/their opponent has good BJJ on their back.
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Many submissions are hit in scrambles when people don't really have their position solid yet.
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doverhog posted:There are a lot fights that have ended with someone diving into a guillotine or something like that, so sometimes yeah. People diving head first into guillotines was basically the entirety of Cody McKenzie's stint on TUF and I loved it.
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Seltzer posted:I take it you mean they're on top? Then no, unless someone really fucks up and gives up their neck for a guillotine while completing a takedown. Fighters like to be on top unless they are extremely unskilled there/their opponent has good BJJ on their back. Yeah on top, it sounds like: Dangersim posted:Many submissions are hit in scrambles when people don't really have their position solid yet. this. There is maybe a 2 second (max) window after they take me down where I can attempt a submission before they get their position right and start pounding my face On the flip side, it is a complete nightmare trying to get them into a position for submission when I take them down myself
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The other really common way they come about is to rock someone with a punch or head kick and then jump on someone. Faber does this quite a lot, Tito did it to Bader as well.
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Is Hendricks still with Team Takedown? I'm wondering if that whole effort might have paid for itself pretty much solely through him.
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Pretty sure he's the only one making that a break even venture, unless Jared Rosholt is making tons of secret money.
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Valeyard posted:Yeah on top, it sounds like: Yeah, even in straightforward grappling you have to destabilize your opponent somehow to execute your finishing move. Everything leading up to the moment of the submission is where you win the fight, really. Finding those moments and making them count is beautiful and fuckin' really hard too. Love watching old Pancrase matches that weren't works (hey there are a bunch ok) and seeing the really active, frantic scrambling of the Shoot wrestling circuit guys - none of them really had much of a game on their back, but rather than develop one, they basically just got amazingly good at applying constant, wicked pressure from the top and moving around like crazy so they won't end up there. Modern grapplers are way, way more complete, and that was a very risky fighting style, but it was fun to watch. Agreed fucked around with this message at 23:52 on Jan 4, 2015 |
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Agreed posted:Yeah, even in straightforward grappling you have to destabilize your opponent somehow to execute your finishing move. Everything leading up to the moment of the submission is where you win the fight, really. Finding those moments and making them count is beautiful and fuckin' really hard too. Pancrase started as being largely worked, but became (as far as I know) as legit as other MMA orgs as time went on.
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Count Roland posted:Pancrase started as being largely worked, but became (as far as I know) as legit as other MMA orgs as time went on. It did for most intents and purposes, though even the legit fights later make it a little hard to tell what might happen in a real fight thanks to the sometimes head-scratching rules. But, the Shooto guys (especially RINGS promotion vets) who got it started were pretty heavily into worked Pancrase fights. Not all the time, and very clearly not to every fighter, but a lot of the pre-1996 matches especially have some of the most amazing, unlikely, too-smooth submissions in wrestling. But even in the non worked fights they definitely had a spectacular style, though striking on the ground and a better ground game in general prevented a lot of their top pressure from being as effective in other promotions. I have to be honest, though, I am still not sure if Ken Shamrock is full of poo poo about some of his claims. He wasn't really exceptionally skilled or anything, just way huge and swift, with good balance. Enough to control most of the fighters in the promotion, but he looks like he legit lost at least one of his supposed worked fights. And he never was that convincing in the WWF.
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So what was the deal with Butterbean? Every match I've seen he is facing some guy he easily outweighs by a 100 lbs. and just beating the poo poo out of them in a clear mismatch. Was he more or less just a bigass Tough Guy contest winner that they used as a novelty for Boxing undercards?
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bartok posted:So what was the deal with Butterbean? Every match I've seen he is facing some guy he easily outweighs by a 100 lbs. and just beating the poo poo out of them in a clear mismatch. Was he more or less just a bigass Tough Guy contest winner that they used as a novelty for Boxing undercards? yes
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Once upon a time MMA had more "higher profile" freakshow fights. My favorite is... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h-aYDvUIto just because, what the hell was anyone thinking. It's a clinic on how to expertly beat the poo poo out of a fat guy. "This is dangerous. I don't know if it could be... Real smart... To be this big, and fighting. This is dangerous!" "He's probably the largest athlete ever to compete in sports, in ANY event, in the history of the earth, that I know about..." Agreed fucked around with this message at 00:10 on Jan 29, 2015 |
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bartok posted:So what was the deal with Butterbean? Every match I've seen he is facing some guy he easily outweighs by a 100 lbs. and just beating the poo poo out of them in a clear mismatch. Was he more or less just a bigass Tough Guy contest winner that they used as a novelty for Boxing undercards? It's even better than that, he actually made his living barnstorming, meaning that he traveled around the country beating the poo poo out of random local fighters for small amounts of money. As in, he literally was a traveling freakshow, except he was a fat boxer instead of a hairy carny pretending to be a wolfman. I would give him a small amount of credit as a hitter, because he can punch pretty hard, but as far as all the other stuff you have to do to be a boxer... yeah he doesn't do those. Here's a clip of him getting a fookin' boxin' lesson from Larry Holmes in 2002 (!). Holmes is approximately 2 million years old, obese, and has no legs at all: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT7LbFnpVz4 Butterbean manages to land some in the first round but he basically gets boxed up by a fossil who was heavyweight champ in the '80s.
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EvanSchenck posted:It's even better than that, he actually made his living barnstorming, meaning that he traveled around the country beating the poo poo out of random local fighters for small amounts of money. As in, he literally was a traveling freakshow, except he was a fat boxer instead of a hairy carny pretending to be a wolfman. I would give him a small amount of credit as a hitter, because he can punch pretty hard, but as far as all the other stuff you have to do to be a boxer... yeah he doesn't do those. 1. How the gently caress did i not know this had happened 2. Even at fifty-fat years old, Holmes's jab looks extremely unpleasant.
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For the love of all that is good and decent do not watch that fight. I'm just going to go ahead and assume that's water. Gregor Samsa posted:2. Even at fifty-fat years old, Holmes's jab looks extremely unpleasant. He landed some pretty stiff ones!
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Gregor Samsa posted:1. How the gently caress did i not know this had happened
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Gregor Samsa posted:How the gently caress did i not know this had happened
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Gregor Samsa posted:1. How the gently caress did i not know this had happened Neurologically, the human brain doesn't just absorb information, it also disregards and deletes information that makes no sense or would work against your survival. You might have heard that in 2002 a 52 year-old Larry Holmes fought Butterbean, you might even have watched the fight, but your brain would've said "NOPE" and chucked that memory in the garbage. Your brain was trying to protect you.
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So badly want to say something clever but this accurately describes so much of my life it hurts.
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EvanSchenck posted:Neurologically, the human brain doesn't just absorb information, it also disregards and deletes information that makes no sense or would work against your survival. You might have heard that in 2002 a 52 year-old Larry Holmes fought Butterbean, you might even have watched the fight, but your brain would've said "NOPE" and chucked that memory in the garbage. Your brain was trying to protect you. My brains the best woman Ive ever had
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Genki Sudo vs Butterbean was pretty loving good.
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Agreed posted:Once upon a time MMA had more "higher profile" freakshow fights. My favorite is... i saw the thumbnail and thought "i didn't know abdullah fought mma" haha
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02-6611-0142-1 posted:Genki Sudo vs Butterbean was pretty loving good. There were jumping kicks, I can confirm this.
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02-6611-0142-1 posted:Genki Sudo was pretty loving good. There you go.
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Is Fedor's (or his camp's, whatever) excuse of "I couldn't beat Bigfoot Silva because a powerful warlock was at ringside, draining my chi" the best excuse in MMA history? I know Brazilians are famed for their excuses, but that's tough to beat.
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projecthalaxy posted:Is Fedor's (or his camp's, whatever) excuse of "I couldn't beat Bigfoot Silva because a powerful warlock was at ringside, draining my chi" the best excuse in MMA history? I know Brazilians are famed for their excuses, but that's tough to beat. nick diaz missed weight by like 10 pounds because he went swimming in the ocean, jds lost to cain because he hated his wife, nog lost to someone because he had to fly coach, etc.
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david carmichael posted:jds lost to cain because he hated his wife, OK this one might be my new favorite.
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diego lost to myles jury because he ate a bad quail egg and also ricardo arona's entire career
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Foul Fowl posted:diego lost to myles jury because he ate a bad quail egg and also ricardo arona's entire career bad steak tartare with a bad quail egg the culprit is unknown and yet the only real surprise is that diego knew what those things were when he ordered them
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Foul Fowl posted:diego lost to myles jury because he ate a bad quail egg gently caress that was funny.
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projecthalaxy posted:OK this one might be my new favorite. It's not even clear he hated her, he just determined he didn't want to gently caress her any more.
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Gregor Samsa posted:It's not even clear he hated her, he just determined he didn't want to gently caress her any more.  Can't judge a man till you've walked a mile in his shoes
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There was that one Brazilian that said he lost because he got into a car accident 2 weeks before the fight but didn't tell anyone. Or did he fail a drug test because of a car accident? Something weak as poo poo. It's really interesting how high level fighters make excuses for failure.
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I think Rothwell said he had to take TRT due to a car accident he was in years prior
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origami posted:I think Rothwell said he had to take TRT due to a car accident he was in years prior He claimed that the car accident severed his balls in 1999, that he was otherwise uninjured, he had kids in the interim and that the ball failure didn't really kick in until like 2008. But its cool because he had a doctors note. And then it turned out he didn't have a doctors note
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I still like Arona getting knocked out by Soccerjew because he caught dengue fever in the rainforest.
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Yuriy posted:bad steak tartare with a bad quail egg I still like the fact he was dumb enough to order raw meat and eggs for dinner after being on a strict diet and weight cutting regime for the weeks prior. Even if the ingredients were fresh it wouldn't be my first choice. It's up there with Chris Leben eating a hundred dollars worth of candy after his weight cut and getting gastro from it before the Stann fight.
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