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Avenging_Mikon posted:Okay, friend of mine was shocked to learn Roman and Rock were related, and it got me thinking, which Samoans from WWE/F, TNA, WCW, or similar territories are not part of that family by blood, marriage, or pact? Joe, and I seriously think he's about the only notable one in the modern era that isn't.
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Um, excuse me, Joe has a pact with the most famous Samoa of all
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Avenging_Mikon posted:Okay, friend of mine was shocked to learn Roman and Rock were related, and it got me thinking, which Samoans from WWE/F, TNA, WCW, or similar territories are not part of that family by blood, marriage, or pact? Samoa Joe
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Isn't Sonny Siaki completely unconnected?
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Avenging_Mikon posted:Okay, friend of mine was shocked to learn Roman and Rock were related, and it got me thinking, which Samoans from WWE/F, TNA, WCW, or similar territories are not part of that family by blood, marriage, or pact? Samoa Joe is the only modern day wrestler of note. Roman's family is goddamn extensive Generation 1: The Wild Samoans (Sika & Afa) Generation 2: Sika's kids include Manu (half of the Headshrinkers), Manu, and Lloyd (who worked in ECW as LA Smooth). Afa's kids are Rosey and Roman Reigns. There's also the 3 sons of Solofa Fatu who married one of Sika & Afa's sisters. Solofa's sons are Solofa Jr. (Rikishi), Umaga, and the Tonga Kid. Sika & Afa are also the uncles of Yokozuna. Generation 3: The Usos (sons of Rikishi) OJ MIST 2 THE DICK fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Jan 29, 2015 |
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Jan 29, 2015 01:42
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A good rule of thumb is that if a wrestler looks Samoan and isn't an Anoa'i or Samoa Joe, he's probably Tongan.
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Charles Gnarwin posted:A good rule of thumb is that if a wrestler looks Samoan and isn't an Anoa'i or Samoa Joe, he's probably Tongan. Tongan kid excluded.
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While we're on the subject ofmulti generational wrestling families.... I wonder why there's been so few famous second/third gen wrestlers in Japan when it's been so commonplace in US, Canadian, and Mexican wrestling? Charles Gnarwin posted:A good rule of thumb is that if a wrestler looks Samoan and isn't an Anoa'i or Samoa Joe, he's probably Tongan. There's also the Fijian Snukas as far as Pacific Islander wrestling families go.
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Shinya Hashimoto's the only prominent puro star I can think of with a son who's followed in his footsteps. Daichi's pretty good from what I've seen, though.
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Charles Gnarwin posted:A good rule of thumb is that if a wrestler looks Samoan and isn't an Anoa'i or Samoa Joe, he's probably Tongan. something something Anchor Villanos
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Halloween Jack posted:The entire document can be summed up as "Every man in wrestling is a drug addict, alcoholic, psychopath, and gay. Every woman in wrestling is a drug addict and a prostitute." You left out 'sexual deviant' and 'fascinated with poo poo'.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Shinya Hashimoto's the only prominent puro star I can think of with a son who's followed in his footsteps. Daichi's pretty good from what I've seen, though. Mitsuo Momota is Rikidozan's son, LEONA is Tatsumi Fujinami's son. If you count women there's Ayako and Xochitl Hamada. There's gotta be a fair few more...
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Cornwind Evil posted:You left out 'sexual deviant' and 'fascinated with poo poo'. I love this document so much. quote:446. Chris Benoit invented the triple German suplex back in the 80s; Steve Strong was the Trans-Canadian Heavyweight Champion, but was a real dick about it backstage, so one day before a match with Benoit, Beef Wellington jacked off all over the back of the belt before he put it on. Once the match began, Strong's belly was so sticky that Benoit couldn't get his arms off of it until after the third suplex. I don't see the Tod Gordon baby powder story though, so it's not comprehensive. No buys.
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Cornwind Evil posted:You left out 'sexual deviant' and 'fascinated with poo poo'. Well the latter part seems pretty fair when you're talking about old school wrestlers based on a lot of a stories I've heard the guys themselves tell....
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Luigi Thirty posted:I don't see the Tod Gordon baby powder story though, so it's not comprehensive. No buys. Do tell! 
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Do tell! I think the full story was that Bill Alfonso, Sandman, 2 Cold Scorpio, and Tod Gordon hung out together and all stayed in this notorious Holiday Inn in Philly for years. Sandman hid coke and pills all over the hotel so they'd always have a party. Tod Gordon found a website where you could hire, uh, "submissive escorts" in Philadelphia and they'd take turns with one they'd always hire. Scorpio loved to smack her with his famously long cock. Tod Gordon liked to tell her to sit in the middle of his room gagged and blindfolded, pour a ring of baby powder around her and tell her not to move or else, then go do an ECW show, and she never moved. They kept her around for about a year until Alfonso fell in love with her and invited her to move in with him. I've heard it on a bunch of ECW guy shoots so I'm afraid that actually happened. 
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Luigi Thirty posted:I think the full story was that Bill Alfonso, Sandman, 2 Cold Scorpio, and Tod Gordon hung out together and all stayed in this notorious Holiday Inn in Philly for years. Sandman hid coke and pills all over the hotel so they'd always have a party. Tod Gordon found a website where you could hire, uh, "submissive escorts" in Philadelphia and they'd take turns with one they'd always hire. Scorpio loved to smack her with his famously long cock. Tod Gordon liked to tell her to sit in the middle of his room gagged and blindfolded, pour a ring of baby powder around her and tell her not to move or else, then go do an ECW show, and she never moved. They kept her around for about a year until Alfonso fell in love with her and invited her to move in with him. I've heard it on a bunch of ECW guy shoots so I'm afraid that actually happened. This mysterious woman is the only person to make any money off the original ECW.
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Luigi Thirty posted:I think the full story was that Bill Alfonso, Sandman, 2 Cold Scorpio, and Tod Gordon hung out together and all stayed in this notorious Holiday Inn in Philly for years. Sandman hid coke and pills all over the hotel so they'd always have a party. Tod Gordon found a website where you could hire, uh, "submissive escorts" in Philadelphia and they'd take turns with one they'd always hire. Scorpio loved to smack her with his famously long cock. Tod Gordon liked to tell her to sit in the middle of his room gagged and blindfolded, pour a ring of baby powder around her and tell her not to move or else, then go do an ECW show, and she never moved. They kept her around for about a year until Alfonso fell in love with her and invited her to move in with him. I've heard it on a bunch of ECW guy shoots so I'm afraid that actually happened. Don't tell. 
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MassRafTer posted:This mysterious woman is the only person to make any money off the original ECW. 
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Benne posted:The MOTYC/WMOTYC thread introduced me to NECW, which featured some of the worst wrestling I've ever seen even by low-rent indie standards. Has that promotion ever put on any decent matches? no
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Benne posted:The MOTYC/WMOTYC thread introduced me to NECW, which featured some of the worst wrestling I've ever seen even by low-rent indie standards. Has that promotion ever put on any decent matches? They've been around for something like 15 years so I imagine at some point during that time they have. I cannot prove it though.
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How the hell do they still have crowd support and decent production values? Like, I've seen backyard poo poo with more entertaining and passable matches than what NECW puts on. Do they have a buddy who knows a local business who will sponsor them or something?
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ayn rand hand job posted:Generation 1: The Wild Samoans (Sika & Afa) It weirds me out that Roman Reigns is from a generation higher than the Usos because Roman's dad is Rikishi's uncle. One of my mom's cousins is younger than me and I've always felt odd about that, like it's some kind of time anomaly.
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Benne posted:How the hell do they still have crowd support and decent production values? Like, I've seen backyard poo poo with more entertaining and passable matches than what NECW puts on. Do they have a buddy who knows a local business who will sponsor them or something? It's really easy to make some graphics. If you look closely their production is garbage. The white balancing is off, the hand held camera they use looks like poo poo and well, the whole show looks like poo poo.
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MassRafTer posted:It's really easy to make some graphics. If you look closely their production is garbage. The white balancing is off, the hand held camera they use looks like poo poo and well, the whole show looks like poo poo. That is all stuff I probably should've noticed, but was too busy chugging booze to get through the garbage matches. I don't know how you do it sober, props to you.
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MassRafTer posted:This mysterious woman is the only person to make any money off the original ECW. On a scale of 1-10, how full of poo poo is Heyman on the recent documentary WWE made about him, regarding his own finances and the financial relationship between ECW and WWE? (He claims he never took any money from WWE until he began doing Raw, and even at a company level, WWE only paid $1000 a week to ECW for Scorpio) I assume the stuff about Paul losing a ton of money himself is probably true.
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Gaz-L posted:On a scale of 1-10, how full of poo poo is Heyman on the recent documentary WWE made about him, regarding his own finances and the financial relationship between ECW and WWE? (He claims he never took any money from WWE until he began doing Raw, and even at a company level, WWE only paid $1000 a week to ECW for Scorpio) I assume the stuff about Paul losing a ton of money himself is probably true. Gun to my head, probably around 4. Heyman has no qualms about showing rear end and the ECW financial problems are well-documented. We'll probably never know how much he took from WWE but I've little doubt it was enough to keep the lights on because Vince loving loved the "competition" (aka buying ECW's biggest stars when it was convenient)
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Gaz-L posted:On a scale of 1-10, how full of poo poo is Heyman on the recent documentary WWE made about him, regarding his own finances and the financial relationship between ECW and WWE? (He claims he never took any money from WWE until he began doing Raw, and even at a company level, WWE only paid $1000 a week to ECW for Scorpio) I assume the stuff about Paul losing a ton of money himself is probably true. That's pretty much true. He's told a bunch of BS about ECW's death recently, but WWE wasn't paying him all that much. They did give him a loan near the end but that is just because they wanted first dibs on buying it in bankruptcy. If he says anything about the cable companies owing him millions or how he didn't really owe that much at the end he's full of poo poo. (He actually owed the cable companies more than they owed him. Way more.)
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He told some bullshit sounding story about the cable companies refusing to give him the tons of money he was due unless they did another PPV, which I'm guessing was "Um, yeah, you owe us money, so do another show and we'll keep all the money from it to pay off the arrears". Even accounting for Paul's usual act, that doc's really good, though. There's a great bit where he tells the interviewer/camera crew that they can ask him about leaving WCW, but they can't actually put anything he'd say into the film because of the lawsuit.
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WadeBartender posted:Im pretty sure may 19th was supposed to be the day Kane killed his parents(and also the day see no evil came out) May 19th was the release date for "See No Evil" if I'm remembering correctly.
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Cornwind Evil posted:Today is your lucky day! I have them saved on a file tucked away. Note these are about 7-12 years out of date now. I always get excited when I find out another one of these stories is true. Meltzer in one of the WORs this past year confirmed one of the Von Erich vs. cat stories. So I prefer to believe all of them are true until they're debunked. 
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Benne posted:On that topic, are there any low-rent indies that actually have decent matches/production values? Like, I'm not talking about ROH/PWG/CZW stuff, but maybe a level below them that still tries? House of Glory in NYC is a good example of this. They use Ricochet regularly and have lots of faded indie stars like The Amazing Red hanging around (he's one of the owners). This is balanced with wrestling school student matches, semi-established indie guys goofing around, and ex-WWE guys who show up but don't bother to wrestle. The shows are a fun time and Ricochet had a match against a student named Mr. Smiley a few months ago that legitimately blew me away. So yeah, nice mix of good stuff, bad stuff, and confusing stuff.
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House of Hardcore has decent production vales, also. That's Tommy Dreamer's promotion/school. Here's Alberto Del Rio showing up in HOH https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlHi19OZIyM El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 05:59 on Jan 29, 2015 |
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Luigi Thirty posted:I think the full story was that Bill Alfonso, Sandman, 2 Cold Scorpio, and Tod Gordon hung out together and all stayed in this notorious Holiday Inn in Philly for years. Sandman hid coke and pills all over the hotel so they'd always have a party. Tod Gordon found a website where you could hire, uh, "submissive escorts" in Philadelphia and they'd take turns with one they'd always hire. Scorpio loved to smack her with his famously long cock. Tod Gordon liked to tell her to sit in the middle of his room gagged and blindfolded, pour a ring of baby powder around her and tell her not to move or else, then go do an ECW show, and she never moved. They kept her around for about a year until Alfonso fell in love with her and invited her to move in with him. I've heard it on a bunch of ECW guy shoots so I'm afraid that actually happened. I'm afraid of most things I've heard about ECW years after the fact.
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AmbassadorFriendly posted:I'm afraid of most things I've heard about ECW years after the fact. ECW had Jake the Snake for a while in the late 90s. One day, he and New Jack were walking down a hallway in the Arena talking. Paul Heyman came walking the other way and saw him and Jake together. He stopped in his tracks, said "oh God", turned around, and walked away. (New Jack claims he never provided Jake with drugs.)
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Benne posted:On that topic, are there any low-rent indies that actually have decent matches/production values? Like, I'm not talking about ROH/PWG/CZW stuff, but maybe a level below them that still tries? There's some relatively new fed in Arizona that put on a pretty stacked card by mid-level indie standards a few days ago. Had guys like Chris Hero, Brian Cage, ACH, Tommaso Ciampa, the ex-Drew MacIntyre, etc. I remember seeing Hero talk on Twitter how talented the locker room was for a newer indie. e: just looked it up, they're called IWF. There's EVOLVE too, which is ex-ROH founder Gabe Sapolsky's current fed. They've been putting on pretty good shows now that he's given up on running Dragon Gate USA at the same time. Grozz Nuy fucked around with this message at 09:54 on Jan 29, 2015 |
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