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Cake Attack posted:i'm never going to read negima Read Negima
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Rodyle posted:Read Negima
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Jan 29, 2015 16:18
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i will not
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Jan 29, 2015 16:34
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Remember when Fate was still the main antagonist and he and Negi sat down at a cafe and had a serious coffee vs tea argument Negima is great
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Jan 29, 2015 16:40
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It was the most  battle ever chronicled in a Japanese Comic.Which is in of itself impressive because Negi's Welsh.
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Jan 29, 2015 16:51
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You know, I wonder if it would be a good idea to make a "condensed" version of Negima. Like, go through the entire series, chapter-by-chapter, and identify which can be safely skipped, which just need a summary of important events, and which are worth reading. Because while the harem never really goes away, I think it's mostly self-contained.
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Jan 29, 2015 19:57
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Its not the harem that is the problem
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Jan 29, 2015 20:18
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Right, if it is was just weird, awkward dates like during the school festival no one would give a poo poo. But instead, Negima focuses a whole lot on naked 14 year old girls. poo poo's creepy. If you don't think the shounen fighting manga hidden underneath is worth digging through all that trash, then just don't read it.
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Jan 29, 2015 20:24
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Jose posted:Its not the harem that is the problem Nate RFB fucked around with this message at 20:29 on Jan 29, 2015 |
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Jan 29, 2015 20:26
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Well yeah, it doesn't matter in the end. It's just that Jack Rakan and everything related to him is so freaking awesome that it's a shame that I cannot in good conscience recommend the series to anybody.
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Jan 29, 2015 20:32
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Rodyle posted:Read Negima
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Jan 29, 2015 20:32
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ConanThe3rd posted:It was the most Is there even another manga that doesn't equate Britain to England besides Negima and Vinland Saga?
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Jan 29, 2015 20:53
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Wait, you mean everyone else in this thread didn't read Negima since around chapter 10 and follow it for nine years? I'm shocked and saddened.
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Jan 29, 2015 22:53
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Overlord K posted:Wait, you mean everyone else in this thread didn't read Negima since around chapter 10 and follow it for nine years? I mostly dipped in and out and only started paying attention to the tail end of the Mars Arc.
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Jan 29, 2015 23:53
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Serious Frolicking posted:Right, if it is was just weird, awkward dates like during the school festival no one would give a poo poo. But instead, Negima focuses a whole lot on naked 14 year old girls. poo poo's creepy. If you don't think the shounen fighting manga hidden underneath is worth digging through all that trash, then just don't read it. Negima would move up a couple dozen spots on the "best shounen manga of all time" list if it didn't include the fact that Negi sneezing blows away the clothing of all the surrounding fourteen year old girls. Except for their panty crotches. Because blowing away the entire panty would be creepy.
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Jan 30, 2015 03:18
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Overlord K posted:Wait, you mean everyone else in this thread didn't read Negima since around chapter 10 and follow it for nine years? I even helped scanlate it 
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Jan 30, 2015 06:33
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PerrineClostermann posted:I even helped scanlate it You did the lords work, son. Well done. Seriously, just read it. Negima is a work worth reading if you enjoy shonen series. See some silly fanservice crap you don't like? Skip ahead a page or two. Most of that stuff is just spliced in here and there. The large large majority of the manga is excellent.
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Jan 30, 2015 07:08
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"if you make it through 100 chapters of naked teenagers, the naked teenagers start fighting people, and these fights are above average in the genre of comic books about fighting for japanese children" - what negima fans believe is a ringing endorsement
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Jan 30, 2015 07:18
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Cake Attack posted:"if you make it through 100 chapters of naked teenagers, the naked teenagers start fighting people, and these fights are above average in the genre of comic books about fighting for japanese children" -what detractors actually think Negima is
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Jan 30, 2015 08:00
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I read only the final two chapters of Negima - I must have seen some people talking about the events of the end of the series and decided to take a look. The last two chapters were pretty good! I might not have bothered to start reading UQ Holder if I hadn't seen them. But I don't feel in any particular hurry to read the rest of Negima. UQ Holder has been entertaining in its own right, and there are wikis and so on for looking up obviously relevant Negima details.
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Jan 30, 2015 09:14
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Van Dine posted:UQ Holder has been entertaining in its own right, and there are wikis and so on for looking up obviously relevant Negima details. UQ Holder has been *far* superior to Negima so far. And I'm not even talking about the fanservice difference. The fights are better. The characters are better. The planning is going better. The artwork is far more comprehensible.
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Jan 30, 2015 09:40
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buzmeg posted:UQ Holder has been *far* superior to Negima so far. And I'm not even talking about the fanservice difference. Of course it would be. If nothing else, Akamatsu has shown constant improvement over his entire career. That last thing you mention is one of the best things about going back through what he's done. His overall art style has stayed more or less consistent the whole time, but has gotten more and more refined over time. He also does some great spreads and really seems to love doing landscapes and architecture. He also will change up characters' clothing and appearances reasonably often (though we haven't seen it much yet in UQ), which is something relatively rare that I appreciate. I've never gotten the feeling that I have from many other series including One Piece sometimes, that they're just cranking out a chapter without any thought or interest.
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Jan 30, 2015 09:56
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Cake Attack posted:"if you make it through 100 chapters of naked teenagers, the naked teenagers start fighting people, and these fights are above average in the genre of comic books about fighting for japanese children" Sounds about right. But if you don't like comic books about fighting for japanese children, why even bother posting in a thread dedicated to one?
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Jan 30, 2015 10:01
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buzmeg posted:UQ Holder has been *far* superior to Negima so far. And I'm not even talking about the fanservice difference. It's kind of odd how other places I visit they think the exact opposite. They're often still salty about the Negima ending or the fact this isn't Negima 2 though, so I'd put more stock here than there.
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Jan 30, 2015 15:54
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I, honestly, liked Late-Negima more than I've liked UQ Holder so far. Late Negima felt like a real adventure with tons of weight and consequence, and everyone involved felt like big loving heroes. Yeah, Negi did a ton of the work near the end, but everyone else still was doing jobs, still was fighting bosses. Plus, I kinda like Negi more as a character than Touta. At least Negi had a dream and goal besides 'make some money so I can go up this big tall tower'. I do, however, think that this is changing, and that UQ Holder is getting better and doing a good job at ramping up. It feels like now that we have what feels like it'll be the whole 'team' of immortals, that now is a good time to start introducing bigger threats. But honestly, I think I sorta even preferred the Mahora Tournament and fight with Chao more than I've enjoyed most of the fights in this. There's something to be said for a protagonist who constantly examines and second guesses themselves, and wins via thinking solutions, compared to Touta who when the going gets tough, goes generic Naruto/Bleach 'I have a monster inside me look at how strong it makes me'. Fake edit: But I do enjoy that Santa got to do the final fight of his arc. That was pretty good.
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Jan 30, 2015 16:16
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The Mars/Magical World arc of Negima is probably the best thing Akamatsu has ever done. I couldn't remember if you were still posting in this thread, but now that I see you around I was wondering whether it would be possible to get the OP reworked a little since the title image is broken and all. Maybe collate some of the silly Negima questions like who Negi/Eva/Fate are, what chapters you could ostensibly start with in Negima if you're going to be all  about reading it but still want to see some of the background to UQ Holder. Examples being Ch. 26 (Kyoto Field Trip) or Ch. 72 (Mahora Festival).
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Jan 30, 2015 16:53
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Just start at the Magic world and if nobody's being skewered by rock, smacked down at lights speed, or interacting with Jack Rakan in any way then skip to the next chapter because that one's not worth reading. 
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Jan 30, 2015 17:35
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People talk about Kyoto but the festival is where I think Negima really starts to go nuts. Before that it's mostly just okay. I still wouldn't say to skip the earlier stuff though, it's not like that stuff is long.
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Jan 30, 2015 18:42
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Rodyle posted:People talk about Kyoto but the festival is where I think Negima really starts to go nuts. Before that it's mostly just okay. I still wouldn't say to skip the earlier stuff though, it's not like that stuff is long.
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Jan 30, 2015 18:58
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Though, really,depending on your level of tolerance for fan service, things got pretty good as early as the Vs. Eva arc. Hell, some of the dumb comedy isn't all that bad. The one chapter with the Negi paper clone dolls was goofy fun. ConanThe3rd fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Jan 30, 2015 |
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Jan 30, 2015 19:30
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Nate RFB posted:The Mars/Magical World arc of Negima is probably the best thing Akamatsu has ever done. Oh sure. Send me a pm if possible, I'll take a crack at it after work
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Jan 30, 2015 19:43
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KittyEmpress posted:I, honestly, liked Late-Negima more than I've liked UQ Holder so far. Late Negima felt like a real adventure with tons of weight and consequence, and everyone involved felt like big loving heroes. Yeah, Negi did a ton of the work near the end, but everyone else still was doing jobs, still was fighting bosses. Yeah, I really like UQ Holder so far but it still hasn't surpassed Negima. That's mostly because I'm not as invested in the characters yet. I wouldn't be shocked if my opinion turns the other way as soon as a more personal conflict begins. I also really liked Negi as a protagonist; he was very different from the standard shounen protagonist, and was used as a tool to examine some of the tropes of shounen manga. Like, somehow Naruto became the Hokage at the end of his manga, even though he was really dumb and unqualified to do desk-work. Negi, on the other hand, is a character that I can easily believe would be able to affect change on a macro-scale. The thing I like most about Touta is that he acts in a similar way to how I imagine an average teenager would act. He doesn't have a dream because he hasn't decided on what he wants to do yet, and he is simple and trusting because he hasn't faced betrayal before. Rather than a naive manchild like Naruto, he is simply a child with a child's perspective. I think this is a really cool idea for a shounen protagonist, and I look forward to seeing how he develops as the story goes on.
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Jan 30, 2015 20:27
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I like Touta because I imagine it's what Nagi was like 
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Jan 31, 2015 00:31
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Clearly everyone should read Akamatsu's first manga about a character named Santa.
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Jan 31, 2015 04:01
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After the previous chapter was released and all the nostalgia that gave me, I did a reread of Negima from just before the Negi-Rakan fight, as well as the climax of the Kyoto arc. It was just as amazing as I remembered it. I can understand getting turned off at the harem shenanigans (that's why I hated the first half of the last volume), and Akamatsu really never gets over the whole Negi blowing off girls clothing using disarming spells while sneezing gag, but it really does get good. Now i wanna reread the tournament arc... UQ Holder still can't compare to Negima in my mind, mostly because the latter ended so poorly that I was hoping that Holder would answer many of the questions left unanswered. Some characters are growing on me, but the most interesting parts to me are still the parts that have Negima characters show up in them... I loved the chapter two weeks ago, but this previous chapter ratcheted down the hype for me a bit.
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Jan 31, 2015 05:17
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GhostStalker posted:the most interesting parts to me are still the parts that have Negima characters show up in them...  .
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Jan 31, 2015 07:09
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Paracelsus posted:When Chachamaru finally shows up the thread is going to reach peak If she shows up. Chachamaru doesn't age, but she is certainly capable of dying.
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Jan 31, 2015 07:26
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Though to be fair, we already have in instance of being a robot being classified as being immortal so it's not out of contention by a long stretch.
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Jan 31, 2015 08:13
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Paracelsus posted:When Chachamaru finally shows up the thread is going to reach peak Oh, no doubt about that. Still, didn't the intro imply that Eva had abandoned Chachamaru, or at least let her live her own life, or as much as a life she would be allowed to live as a robot? Don't think she'll be showing up any time soon, but yeah, this thread (and a bunch of others that are following Holder on various sites) will explode when she does show up.
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Jan 31, 2015 08:16
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Yasser Arafatwa posted:I like Touta because I imagine it's what Nagi was like Nagi was way more of a complete and utter pure shounen idiot compared to Touta.  I'm still far more a fan of all the characters around him that Touta himself, but I'll admit he has grown on me more now that he's got more to him than MAKES FRIENDS, FIGHT MANS.
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