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I'd be reluctant to use the bombing tactics in multi since the blast radius is large and is infuriating to get launched 20 feet away from the monster for other players - you just need to be really smart about bomb placement with other players. Stuff like placing LBBs behind rathalos after he's taken enough damage to roar after a knockdown. http://youtu.be/IaaHn5RqIx4?t=1m4s If you want to be a total dick, you can also place a bomb in front of a charging GS users for laughs. "I'M HELPING!"
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So what do folks think about solo SnS without excessive bombing (but assuming that the SnS used is suited to the monster's weakness)? Still good in the long run, or just a grind? From the demo I really liked the feel of the SnS - constant attacking, easy repositioning, but it might be different in the actual game when monsters are a lot more dangerous and you have to mind your health more.
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Teddles posted:So what do folks think about solo SnS without excessive bombing (but assuming that the SnS used is suited to the monster's weakness)? Still good in the long run, or just a grind? It's slower than other weapons, but not terrible. The big thing's that if you want to keep competitive with other weapons in single-player without using a ton of bombs, you've got to build a weapon and armor set for each element, plus maybe one for slime and poison and if you're going that far you might as well just jump over to dual blades. They also benefit super heavily from element/status and are all about constantly attacking and movement, but they're a decent bit more single-player effective (again, not counting SNS bombing here) so you're getting a bit more bang for your buck Fungah! fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Jan 31, 2015 |
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Jan 31, 2015 21:20
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Real answer's to pick hammer tho
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Oh, while I'm multiposting, do we want to get a new thread together? Game launches in NA in two weeks (jesus christ the game's out in two weeks)
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Teddles posted:So what do folks think about solo SnS without excessive bombing (but assuming that the SnS used is suited to the monster's weakness)? Still good in the long run, or just a grind? It's slower, but fine. Just make sure to exploit your ability to use items with weapon drawn. Flashes, Sonics, Jumping Bomb Barrels (technically bombing, but it's a really unique effect). Get speed setup on your set, along with whatever element that is appropriate for your weapon. Would recommend Speed Eater, or whatever it is called, and scarf those might seeds. Again, it'll be slower, but it is still fine, especially if you really like the play-style... it's just that item use is part of that playstyle, so if you're not using consumables, it's like not using demonize with DS or something.
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You should definitely use items whenever you can I feel. You don't have to be using barrel bombs but you'd be ignoring a massive strength of the weapon if you don't at least bring a stack of flashes. It's like the LBG of blademaster weapons - you'll want to bring a ton of poo poo and combines with books of combos when you're heavily abusing the item use. Also the trapmaster skill is most useful for SnS since it can place traps unsheathed. Using pitfalls and a paralyze SnS is also a cool thing to do. Colorspray fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Jan 31, 2015 |
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Jan 31, 2015 21:25
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Teddles posted:So what do folks think about solo SnS without excessive bombing (but assuming that the SnS used is suited to the monster's weakness)? Still good in the long run, or just a grind? The thing about SnS is that it's an explicit beginner's weapon it's why you get a closer and okay sustained and a block and the ability to use items while the weapon is out and good maneuverability with the weapon out and all the combos are really simple and easy to grasp and there's nothing really convoluted about it, no phials to manage or things to charge etc it's genuinely a great weapon for beginners, but to me at least it's a problem where it's the jack of all trades master of none weapon and monhun is all about developing a specific skillset to take down a monster, and it's why it sucks also yes once you get to endgame SnS becomes the most boring grind in the whole world because of how piddly the damage output is
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Toxxupation posted:The thing about SnS is that it's an explicit beginner's weapon
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Toxxupation posted:The thing about SnS is that it's an explicit beginner's weapon I used my gunlances solo for LR and HR in 3U, but once I hit G I swapped over to SnS's either using elements or poison on the bigger assholes. SnS is no laughing matter, especially the G Rank/Special ones. One of my favorites is a special SnS that you can craft that has 500 lightning damage.
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Trapmaster Bombardier Evade+1 Is the bombing set for those interested. The cool thing about trapmaster and bombardier is they each also give you 100% combo success rate for traps and bombs, so you won't even have to worry about bringing combo books with you. Evade+1 is considered a necessity for the stylish bombing style - some people have claimed you can do it without, but I haven't had any success. Plus your consistency evading through roars will go way up. Although you have a few different options, the trick to detonate the bomb is to do the R+X quick rising slash, and evade a beat after your character raises the sword all the way up. Super easy to do once you figure it out. Colorspray fucked around with this message at 22:17 on Jan 31, 2015 |
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I remember my favorite use of SnS was on the Blangongas. To get their fangs to break, you had to hit them in the face with specific elements. SnS was great for this since it does high elemental damage and could just hang out in front of the big apes because of the shield.
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Sire Oblivion posted:The hell you need two copies for? I know he's a goon, so it may be hard to believe, but more than likely his girlfriend he had been talking about earlier. Just a thought. Toxxupation posted:The thing about SnS is that it's an explicit beginner's weapon Best beginner weapons are Lances and Long swords hands down.
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SnS doesn't have damage problems as long as it can reach and get stuck in on a good (weak) area of the monster; its motion values are lower, but motion values are generally well-balanced around how long an attack takes either to execute stand-alone or reach in a chain. I looked through several early game weapons and, at least for 4U, the SnS equivalents all tended to have higher true raw with no real downside (slots), especially once you consider that the elemental modifier on their attacks no longer exists. LR Zinogre weapons are a good example since lots of early monsters are weak to lightning and extra slots in a weapon won't do much for you with early sets.pre:SnS: 140 true, 120 thunder, long green (zinogre)
Lance: 130 true, 200 thunder, long green (zinogre)
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Veskit posted:Best beginner weapons are Lances and Long swords hands down. Dual blades, IMO
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The best weapon for beginners is whatever they think is a fun and cool weapon so that they enjoy playing it as they smack giant monsters over the head with it
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The best weapon is your burning spirit to hunt monsters.
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I decided to play through 3U with the S&S and loved it. It let me utilize my mantra of Always Be Attacking. I could just get under a monster a never let up. If things looked bad you could cancel any action by just rolling out of the way and then keep on murdering. Also the X+A lunge attack was super cool and useful. Ethiser fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Feb 1, 2015 |
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Ignimbrite posted:The best weapon for beginners is whatever they think is a fun and cool weapon so that they enjoy playing it as they smack giant monsters over the head with it
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Sire Oblivion posted:The hell you need two copies for? Me and my monster hunting lady 
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Does MH4U use either of the new shoulder buttons on the New 3DS? god what an awful name
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I always thought the sns, long sword and hammer were the best beginner weapons, my buddy though was ecstatic with the blowguns which I loathe. To each their own I guess.
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Bread Set Jettison posted:Me and my monster hunting lady :3 You are redeemed. Still should have gone digital though! I've gone digital with all of my purchases because I hate when my friends and I hang out and someone goes "poo poo, forgot the cartridge." And ruins everything.
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Why does this thread devolve into someone badmouthing SnS every few weeks? SnS gets great kill times even without stylish bombing. It's just like the Bow in that the skill ceiling is deceptively high and rely on the player being on the offensive constantly. You do players a disservice by warning them away from SnS (or any weapon for that matter). Find your own way and learn not to trip your pals online~
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Elysiume posted:Does MH4U use either of the new shoulder buttons on the New 3DS? god what an awful name I think you can hotkey the shoulder buttons
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RedRupee posted:Why does this thread devolve into someone badmouthing SnS every few weeks? SnS gets great kill times even without stylish bombing. It's just like the Bow in that the skill ceiling is deceptively high and rely on the player being on the offensive constantly. You do players a disservice by warning them away from SnS (or any weapon for that matter). Find your own way and learn not to trip your pals online~ Besides, everyone knows the Hammer is the only real scrub weapon.
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Lemming posted:Besides, everyone knows the Hammer is the only real scrub weapon. Woah, woah, woah. I'll break your face off.
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Elysiume posted:Does MH4U use either of the new shoulder buttons on the New 3DS? god what an awful name In 4g they are mapped as if they were cpp shoulder buttons. So either 1: shoulder l/r function (ie useless) 2: dpad l/r (pretty useful) 3. some target switching poo poo i havent tried since it looks useless
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The only scrub weapon is whatever weapons everyone else is wielding, get on my level scrubs.
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Bread Set Jettison posted:The only scrub weapon is whatever weapons everyone else is wielding, get on my level scrubs.
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Bread Set Jettison posted:Me and my monster hunting lady Who was the original hunter? I started at 3U with my then girlfriend (now wife), who has been into the series since the beginning. WIth 4U, we are heading into monsters that are old hat to her, but I've never seen. I'm sure she's going to find the incoming deaths hilarious. Downside to my story: she's a combo-GS user  She's good with a hammer though.Here's to hoping she doesn't read the MH thread..
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Nahxela posted:I'm wielding you. It's you. You are the scrub. I am a greatsword though
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renojiin posted:Who was the original hunter? Uh neither actually. Started kind of at the same time. I got a free copy from someone in the thread and the rest is history.
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renojiin posted:Who was the original hunter? There's only one GS combo that matters X (L3) -> X (slap) -> X (L3) That and using X+A to intentionally launch teammates, of course.
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Nahxela posted:The best weapon is your burning spirit to hunt monsters. This. Naturally the worst weapon is a general apathy toward hunting monsters.
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Kiggles posted:This. Naturally the worst weapon is a general apathy toward hunting monsters.
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Casnorf posted:That or Pellet Shot. The buff doesn't last that long, though.
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