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A human heart
Oct 10, 2012

To Battle posted:

Yeah I wanted to see that. I saw the trailer and it was just a bunch of dudes being racist. I hope it is more than that.

I don't know what else you would want or expect from the finnish scene really.

e: I'm watching it now and it's cool if you want to watch the Goatmoon dude be all like 'these lyrics about national socialism aren't political at all' while shirtless.

A human heart fucked around with this message at 03:07 on Jan 24, 2015

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Zodijackylite
Oct 18, 2005

hello bonjour, en francais we call the bread man l'homme de pain, because pain means bread and we're going to see a lot of pain this year and every nyrfan is looking forward to it and hey tony, can you wait until after my postgame interview to get on your phone? i thought you quit twitter...

deadking posted:

Until the Light Takes Us was OK, but as Cool Corn pointed out, it's yet another take on the Norwegian second wave black metal scene, which is one of the most well-known and well-covered parts of black metal. While the Vice One Man Metal documentary isn't fantastic, it at least offers a look at a different approach to black metal. Personally, I'd love a documentary on the French scene (LLN or their successors), because French black metal is some of the best that's come out recently and is relatively under explored. The Black Twilight Circle might also make an interesting subject.

Documentaries of the Norwegian scene have often been narrative-focused though, reaffirming common legends and knowledge, while simply presenting it in another form. Much of the mystique is channeled through how knowledge isn't simply laid out in a documentary, but is rather arcane - further explanation and understanding of it not being simply laid out, rather inferred and learned by those willing to dig through countless scans of old zines and interviews (or even seek them out in analog forms!)

Could you really imagine a filmmaker putting together an honest documentary on the black legions without simply focusing on the straightforward, sensational elements? Much of the mystique is that the avant-garde, obscured performance aspect of LLN bands could not be condensed into an easily digested form, rather the strangeness of it all highlights how much of a performance what they presented was.

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012

Someone should make one on the Polish scene because you could talk about the nerds in the temple of fullmoon making death lists for bands that weren't NS enough, and that one guy who went crazy and tried to go to Norway to kill Fenriz.

IronLawnmower
Aug 28, 2014

A human heart posted:

Someone should make one on the Polish scene because you could talk about the nerds in the temple of fullmoon making death lists for bands that weren't NS enough, and that one guy who went crazy and tried to go to Norway to kill Fenriz.

Sounds like standard Poland to me. But why would anyone wanna kill Fenriz he's awesome.

ElectricWizard
Oct 21, 2008
So I went and tracked down the Finnish black metal documentary. It's pretty much as embarrassing as any other black metal documentary, and offers no new information at all. It's also only 50 or so minutes long. For your pleasure I've screencapped some choice moments.

There are a lot of talking heads namedropping Venom, some of whom put on corpsepaint seemingly just for the interview.

Here's Molestor Kadotus (of Anal Blasphemy and Anal Desecrating Penis Mutilation) in his bedroom:



He also talks about how other Finnish bands are quick to hate certain bands for no reason whatsoever, but stresses that he is still very successful abroad.


Lord Sathanacia (of Azazel) with some deep social insights:



He is also really pissed off that all his bandmates quit the band and started playing punk, which he dislikes almost as much as Muslims.


At one point, the documentary features a shot literally zooming in on a basement:



Inside some balaclava-wearing dudes are performing a ritual to Julius Evola, which entails pointing a gun to one of the guys' head. This is also the only part of the film that goes beyond talking heads and random photos/cover art/concert footage.


Mikko Aspa (Clandestine Blaze, Deathspell Omega) gives his view on women in black metal:



The guy runs (or ran?) his own porn production company, and also has a one-man pornogrind-band called Creamface, so I'm not too surprised.


Blackmoon Gravedesecrator (Goatmoon) living up to his name, and being an all-around class act:



For some reason he is always shirtless. When I saw him perform with Ride For Revenge he also had a half-finished "thug life"-style stomach tattoo saying "Goatmoon".


Demonos Sova (Barathrum) is actually pretty cool:



He sort of reminds me of a Finnish version of Fenriz, with perhaps more of a history with drugs?


And finally, Nuclear Holocausto Vengeance (Beherit) does his whole interview looking like this, and talks about Buddhism while the others are bragging about satanism:





All in all 2/5, would probably not watch again.

ElectricWizard fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Jan 26, 2015

Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012
That sounds super hilarious.

Also Mikko Aspa is a pedophile and I'm fairly sure he does some sort of child porn distribution thing or has mentioned it in interviews. He has a pedophilia-themed power electronics project called Nicole 12. Yeeeeeeah...

Captain Scandinaiva
Mar 29, 2010



On one hand, it would be weird to be super-adjusted to society and doing BM. On the other hand, ahahahahaha

Edit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uruqb_E9M_U

I've always liked this one as far as documentaries go, done by the Norwegian Public Service. Old, only focuses on Norway obviously and features Dimmu Borgir. But it doesn't focus so much on the events of the early 90's. And no one is trying to be kvlt, it's more musicians talking about their music and their view of the media hype. It's too bad there's nothing like it for other parts of the world.

Captain Scandinaiva fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Jan 26, 2015

ElectricWizard
Oct 21, 2008
Some other highlights include:

One of the dudes from Azaghal being high as gently caress while being interviewed.

Enochian Crescent guys saying that they could probably slice up their fans at shows, but won't because they might face legal consequences.

Werewolf from Satanic Warmaster saying that he hates when bands try to defend themselves by saying they're not political. :ironicat:

The Stormheit guy laughing about his daughter seeing stuff in the papers about them being nazis (they are).




Something something video game journalism.

Fiendish Dr. Wu
Nov 11, 2010

You done fucked up now!
(Inverted)-Cross-posting this from the metal thread in honor of our dark lord. I hope you don't mind a little shameless self-promotion real quick.

I put together a website for metal tour dates in the US and Canada - www.metaltours.us. I got tired of searching through all sorts of bullshit to find shows coming by me so I made this site. There's no reviews, interviews, top 10 lists, or any of that - just metal tour dates. It auto-publishes the feed to the facebook site and the twitter feed, and I've got a mailing list you can sign up for that I'll use to send out weekly/monthly updates.

Anyways, this page just started off as a personal project of mine that's sort of taken off (hit 666 likes 2 days ago on the fb page, almost at 800 now, and I submitted the link to reddit/r/metal last night and it's getting a lot of good feedback, so I wanted to share with you goons. Right now it's just one guy (me) doing the updates whenever I find them, but I'm hoping this thing can get even bigger and become the go-to place for this stuff. Hope you guys like it!

Zodijackylite
Oct 18, 2005

hello bonjour, en francais we call the bread man l'homme de pain, because pain means bread and we're going to see a lot of pain this year and every nyrfan is looking forward to it and hey tony, can you wait until after my postgame interview to get on your phone? i thought you quit twitter...

ElectricWizard posted:

So I went and tracked down the Finnish black metal documentary. It's pretty much as embarrassing as any other black metal documentary, and offers no new information at all. It's also only 50 or so minutes long. For your pleasure I've screencapped some choice moments.

There are a lot of talking heads namedropping Venom, some of whom put on corpsepaint seemingly just for the interview.

Reminds me of this hilariously terrible documentary where the dude is an American Christian who is basically trying to shoehorn that into a documentary where he's literally interviewing people who say they don't have anything to say about black metal. One of the bands interviewed has literally never released any music - the one seen in the preview with a woman wearing a corset, spiked collar, and sunglasses in the dark while sitting next to a table with a magnum of wine on it.

Watch about two minutes from the start time below, it's worth it for the sheer embarrassment of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjYSvWklDb8&t=1577s

I've gotta start reviewing all these terrible documentaries.

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012

Beherit guy in that doco is also wearing a skuldom shirt, because he has good taste i guess. Also the bit where he mentions techno is cool.

TheIllestVillain
Dec 27, 2011

Sal, Wyoming's not a country
i wanna thank whoever posted that Volahn track a few pages back because i'm loving their new LP

Danny LaFever
Dec 29, 2008


Grimey Drawer

TheIllestVillain posted:

i wanna thank whoever posted that Volahn track a few pages back because i'm loving their new LP

Seconded.

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?
Caught Revenge/Watain/Mayhem last night, what a show. Watain absolutely blew me away and I don't even like any of their albums that much or anything, they're just a different animal live. Not much blood got thrown though, maybe they've toned it down.

ElectricWizard
Oct 21, 2008
Hey guys, go check out Death Karma. Features two out of three Cult Of Fire-members.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NFaieiVIpY

IronLawnmower
Aug 28, 2014

ElectricWizard posted:

So I went and tracked down the Finnish black metal documentary. It's pretty much as embarrassing as any other black metal documentary, and offers no new information at all. It's also only 50 or so minutes long. For your pleasure I've screencapped some choice moments.

There are a lot of talking heads namedropping Venom, some of whom put on corpsepaint seemingly just for the interview.

Here's Molestor Kadotus (of Anal Blasphemy and Anal Desecrating Penis Mutilation) in his bedroom:



He also talks about how other Finnish bands are quick to hate certain bands for no reason whatsoever, but stresses that he is still very successful abroad.


Lord Sathanacia (of Azazel) with some deep social insights:



He is also really pissed off that all his bandmates quit the band and started playing punk, which he dislikes almost as much as Muslims.


At one point, the documentary features a shot literally zooming in on a basement:



Inside some balaclava-wearing dudes are performing a ritual to Julius Evola, which entails pointing a gun to one of the guys' head. This is also the only part of the film that goes beyond talking heads and random photos/cover art/concert footage.


Mikko Aspa (Clandestine Blaze, Deathspell Omega) gives his view on women in black metal:



The guy runs (or ran?) his own porn production company, and also has a one-man pornogrind-band called Creamface, so I'm not too surprised.


Blackmoon Gravedesecrator (Goatmoon) living up to his name, and being an all-around class act:



For some reason he is always shirtless. When I saw him perform with Ride For Revenge he also had a half-finished "thug life"-style stomach tattoo saying "Goatmoon".


Demonos Sova (Barathrum) is actually pretty cool:



He sort of reminds me of a Finnish version of Fenriz, with perhaps more of a history with drugs?


And finally, Nuclear Holocausto Vengeance (Beherit) does his whole interview looking like this, and talks about Buddhism while the others are bragging about satanism:





All in all 2/5, would probably not watch again.

Are there any black metal bands that aren't led by ideologically unsound weirdos?

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012

No.

deadking
Apr 13, 2006

Hello? Charlemagne?!
Depending on what you mean by "ideologically unsound," there are plenty of apolitical (not in the "Aryankampf1488 is a strictly apolitical band" sense) or left-leaning black metal bands. The whole "Cascadian" scene, for example, has produced a number of bands (Ash Borer, Skagos, etc.) which are good and not NS. Same for a lot of the Black Twilight Circle bands.

Von Sloneker
Jul 6, 2009

as if all this was something more
than another footnote on a postcard from nowhere,
another chapter in the handbook for exercises in futility
Or, you know, Darkthrone.

Speaking of which I've finally gotten around to listening to the audio commentary Fenriz (and occasionally NC) did for the bonus discs of the Darkthrone reissues, and it's pretty great. They're all on YT -- though for some reason Transilvanian Hunger is only there on a song by song basis while the others are listed as "full album." Fenriz will literally tell you where every single riff, every drum sound, every nuance of the music, came from. I guess avoid it if you don't want the music to be totally demystified. Fortunately with a band like this, the music is strong enough not to lose its magic no matter how much it's dissected and revealed.

The main reason to listen to the commentary, however, is for stuff like this: (I'm paraphrasing), "You know, some of these vocals [on Goatlord] really work but some of them, when I hear them I kind of cringe and go 'fsssss fsssss fsssss' like when Peter Griffin hurts his leg."

As long as I'm here, Earth and Pillars sounds like Darkspace if they leaned more toward the Cascadian thing. Usually I hate the latter but this is pulled off pretty well.
http://avantgardemusic.bandcamp.com/album/earth-i

Von Sloneker fucked around with this message at 18:24 on Feb 3, 2015

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?

deadking posted:

Depending on what you mean by "ideologically unsound," there are plenty of apolitical (not in the "Aryankampf1488 is a strictly apolitical band" sense) or left-leaning black metal bands. The whole "Cascadian" scene, for example, has produced a number of bands (Ash Borer, Skagos, etc.) which are good and not NS. Same for a lot of the Black Twilight Circle bands.

Uh, I love Black Twilight Circle but a lot of Volahn's music is straight-up about killing whitey and taking back the land, etc. I mean it's anticolonialist and all, but it's also completely indistinguishable from nationalist ravings of a Varg Vikernes, it's not exactly what I'd call ideologically smiles and rainbows, you know? Honestly if you're looking for "sound" ideology in black metal, you probably just ought to reevaluate your life and listen to music you actually enjoy; this is loud goofy music about satan and evil, for god's sake.

TheIllestVillain
Dec 27, 2011

Sal, Wyoming's not a country

skasion posted:

Uh, I love Black Twilight Circle but a lot of Volahn's music is straight-up about killing whitey and taking back the land, etc.

hell yeh

deadking
Apr 13, 2006

Hello? Charlemagne?!
Bands like Volahn and Blue Hummingbird on the Left are why I said most BTC bands. That said, I definitely don't agree that Volahn's anti-colonialism (which I don't think is ever expressed as bluntly as "kill whitey," but I don't read Spanish so I dunno) can be fairly compared to Varg's racist nonsense.

IronLawnmower
Aug 28, 2014

skasion posted:

Uh, I love Black Twilight Circle but a lot of Volahn's music is straight-up about killing whitey and taking back the land, etc. I mean it's anticolonialist and all, but it's also completely indistinguishable from nationalist ravings of a Varg Vikernes, it's not exactly what I'd call ideologically smiles and rainbows, you know? Honestly if you're looking for "sound" ideology in black metal, you probably just ought to reevaluate your life and listen to music you actually enjoy; this is loud goofy music about satan and evil, for god's sake.
Loud goofy music about Satan=ok
Loud goofy music about the arayan masterrace 88=not ok

nerve
Jan 2, 2011

SKA SUCKS

IronLawnmower posted:

Loud goofy music about Satan=ok
Loud goofy music about the arayan masterrace 88=not ok

Literally agreed

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012

IronLawnmower posted:

Loud goofy music about Satan=ok
Loud goofy music about the arayan masterrace 88=not ok

There is a pretty big difference between these and it's understandable that people react to them differently.

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012

If you like Greek black metal then you will probably like this new Vassafor song: https://soundcloud.com/vassafor/elegy-of-the-accurser

AgentJotun
Nov 1, 2007

Von Sloneker posted:

Or, you know, Darkthrone.

Speaking of which I've finally gotten around to listening to the audio commentary Fenriz (and occasionally NC) did for the bonus discs of the Darkthrone reissues, and it's pretty great. They're all on YT -- though for some reason Transilvanian Hunger is only there on a song by song basis while the others are listed as "full album." Fenriz will literally tell you where every single riff, every drum sound, every nuance of the music, came from. I guess avoid it if you don't want the music to be totally demystified. Fortunately with a band like this, the music is strong enough not to lose its magic no matter how much it's dissected and revealed.

The main reason to listen to the commentary, however, is for stuff like this: (I'm paraphrasing), "You know, some of these vocals [on Goatlord] really work but some of them, when I hear them I kind of cringe and go 'fsssss fsssss fsssss' like when Peter Griffin hurts his leg."

As long as I'm here, Earth and Pillars sounds like Darkspace if they leaned more toward the Cascadian thing. Usually I hate the latter but this is pulled off pretty well.
http://avantgardemusic.bandcamp.com/album/earth-i

I just listened to the Blaze In The Northern Sky commentary and yeh it was great. I especially like when Fenriz throws in a few Tom Warrior 'ooohh!'s in appropriate places.

Zodijackylite
Oct 18, 2005

hello bonjour, en francais we call the bread man l'homme de pain, because pain means bread and we're going to see a lot of pain this year and every nyrfan is looking forward to it and hey tony, can you wait until after my postgame interview to get on your phone? i thought you quit twitter...

IronLawnmower posted:

Are there any black metal bands that aren't led by ideologically unsound weirdos?

Von Sloneker posted:

Or, you know, Darkthrone.

Darkthrone was "absolutely not a political band" before it was cool.

texting my ex
Nov 15, 2008

I am no one
I cannot squat
It's in my blood
I was exploring Underoaths discography and holy poo poo Cries of the Past is a drat amazing album, is that even considered black metal? For me it sounds very similar

Count Thrashula
Jun 1, 2003

Peak Performance.

Buglord

Skilleddk posted:

I was exploring Underoaths discography and holy poo poo Cries of the Past is a drat amazing album, is that even considered black metal? For me it sounds very similar

Wow that lovely emo pop core band had a black metal album??

texting my ex
Nov 15, 2008

I am no one
I cannot squat
It's in my blood

COOL CORN posted:

Wow that lovely emo pop core band had a black metal album??

yeah seriously, go check it out. I THINK it's black metal and it's fuckin good

TheIllestVillain
Dec 27, 2011

Sal, Wyoming's not a country
underoath's first two albums are what you get when a christian hardcore band tries to play black metal

funeral fag
Jun 23, 2004

Hi everyone, black metal band here

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012

Skilleddk posted:

yeah seriously, go check it out. I THINK it's black metal and it's fuckin good

It doesn't really sound very black metal at all, and it's not very good. maybe a bit of black metal influence in there but not really.

texting my ex
Nov 15, 2008

I am no one
I cannot squat
It's in my blood
well alright I just thought it fit the scheme, so I asked. But I guess it's not kvlt because of their later releases which admittedly do kinda suck

Less Claypool
Apr 16, 2009

More Primus For Fucks Sake.

funeral fag posted:

Hi everyone, black metal band here



lol

nerve
Jan 2, 2011

SKA SUCKS

funeral fag posted:

Hi everyone, black metal band here



When did Liturgy get new members

texting my ex
Nov 15, 2008

I am no one
I cannot squat
It's in my blood

funeral fag posted:

Hi everyone, black metal band here



well to my defense here is p much most talked about black metal band of 2013 so

Fenrir
Apr 26, 2005

I found my kendo stick, bitch!

Lipstick Apathy

Skilleddk posted:

well to my defense here is p much most talked about black metal band of 2013 so



lol who is that

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Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012
deafheaven

also i'll vouch for early underoath not being bad, but it doesnt fit in this thread

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