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FM We're nearly to the point where we'll be able to make these things.
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# ? Feb 4, 2015 22:37 |
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Task Manager posted:Unless I am misremembering a post, we agreed with Ishamal we would not knowingly invoke arrow time. At all. So... Ishamal said Mercy Is Never Misplaced. Well wouldn't it be a whole lot more merciful to shoot these guys in the brain instead of the gut or the lung? (Not to mention merciful for all the humans we'll save by killing more of these things faster) GO
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# ? Feb 4, 2015 22:37 |
B, M
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# ? Feb 4, 2015 22:40 |
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Lanky Coconut Tree posted:you know what else that could mean? That's a possibility, but I don't think that's the case. Then again, I was kinda expecting Fishdad to get a little more desperate sounding by now to get us to go Evil for him, or at least ramp up the monstrous hordes, rather than have them try to hang back.
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# ? Feb 4, 2015 22:42 |
the_steve posted:That's a possibility, but I don't think that's the case. if they can get in and smash the altar i think that's a pretty major victory for them right there
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# ? Feb 4, 2015 22:44 |
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Friends, when we got our Battle-Boost from the dudes upstairs, we were explicitly told that we're currently able/allowed to use arrow-time. Let's use arrow-time specifically to KO the general. Take 5 normal-arrow shots. We can save the bronze arrows for later. (We need to go back to Baitel and buy a shitload more sometime) Hopefully when Rimush KO's the Demon In Charge, all the undead will collapse. Speleothing fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Feb 4, 2015 |
# ? Feb 4, 2015 22:48 |
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Diogines posted:Tool = took. Fixed. Tell us how you REALLY feel about us.
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# ? Feb 4, 2015 22:51 |
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Tomn posted:Because the vision we saw was of something so big it caused the earth to shake. As the superhero Mayor of Tokyo, would you rather hold a wrestling match with Godzilla in downtown Tokyo or some uninhabited plains? Remember, too, that Tudiya's own modus operandi was to march just outside the city, well within sight of it, to challenge the bad guys. He wasn't rushing out into the far unknown, just getting a little breathing room to charge in. For instance this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Smith Ouroborus fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Feb 4, 2015 |
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Speleothing posted:Friends, when we got our Battle-Boost from the dudes upstairs, we were explicitly told that we're currently able/allowed to use arrow-time. Nope. See last 10 pages of "we have no idea who modified Og, and we were explicitly told nothing except when Ish said no magic ever unless he signs off first."
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# ? Feb 4, 2015 23:00 |
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Sure, they''ll be surprised by our idiocy for the whole three seconds it takes the enemy general to order them to swarm us. For any charge to be successful it would certainly have to happen after he is already dead and cannot coordinate a defense.
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Vote count is up (courtesy of HiHo). edit: linked HiHo's sweet spreadsheet Aades fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Feb 5, 2015 |
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Several people on IRC seemed confused about #2. I reread #2 very carefully. It makes sense. Really. It is fine, in the context of our game. However several people on IRC seemed confused by the usage of the word "that". I am honestly not sure if they were confused or just screwing with me. I really would have rather answered questions, really, but making sure the votes make sense come first so I wasted time on that instead. I have rewritten #2, which was previously written in plain and simple English so as to remove any confusion over the usage of the word "that". The meaning of the question and the meaning of the options have not changed, even if they are needlessly long and detailed. I like to keep the questions as short as possible since we often run through a a long list of slightly different choices. I don't think anyone who has passed middle school English should need to reconsider their votes, but if you need to, do so. It is below, I edited the two previous references also. 2. You previously voted to bind yourself in the future to a promise to not use certain powers or experiment. To override that promise, you need the support of 80% of Goons. Do you continue to not use certain powers or experiment? M. I continue to not use certain powers or "experiment" If 21% of Goons pick this, you will not use any "supernatural" abilities in this battle. N. I am ending my former pledge to not use certain powers or "experiment". If I want to use them in the future and a majority of goons vote to do so, I will. O. I am ending my former pledge to not use certain powers or "experiment" but ONLY for this battle. I will be able to use arrow-time and other "powers" for this battle, but after this battle is over I continue to not use such powers. P. I am ending my former pledge to not use certain powers or "experiment" but ONLY for this vote. I will be able to use arrow-time and other "powers" for this one vote, but after this one vote is over I continue to not use such powers. If 21 > (100 - 80) is confusing, that is a middle school math problem, not English. Diogines fucked around with this message at 23:09 on Feb 4, 2015 |
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Bularin posted:We were explicitly told nothing except when Ish said no magic ever unless he signs off first. This is incorrect. See the relevant conversation with Ish and the melachim above.
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Ouroborus posted:If I were the super mayor of Tokyo I would wrestle Godzilla in the plain, but I wouldn't think to say "It is too dangerous to fight him here." unless the idea to actually fight him in the city occurred to me. Anyway, by charging the enemy line we'll introduce chaos into the enemy's ranks. Even normal humans have prevailed against hundred to one odds by being screaming lunatics. The thing is, if a gigantic demon is having a wrestling match with a superman, are they going to politely agree not to fight or wrassle or throw each other in such a way that they fall onto the city? They're going to be throwing themselves all over the landscape, and where's the guarantee that they'll land anywhere EXCEPT the city itself...unless you took the fight a long way away? C'mon, look at how far Tudiya went from the city to fight minotaur armies. Now transpose an enormous, earthshaking monster onto that. Is the city really so far away that there won't be collateral damage from an all-out, no-holds-barred battle? As for chaos, normal humans have actually prevailed by being screaming lunatics...when conditions were juuuuust right. In most other cases those screaming lunatics received posthumous awards at best, if they were noticed at all. More importantly, Plan Ark isn't just voting for a quick charge to gently caress people up - it's voting to charge and fight pretty much the entire enemy army single-handedly until victory is achieved (since there's no such thing as "quickly" charging through an entire army to get at a general in the back. However much of a badass Ernst Smith or any other war hero you care to mention is, I doubt they'd be willing to charge the Wehrmacht or even an Army Group alone, and even if they were willing they're definitely not walking away if they don't intend to retreat sooner or later.
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# ? Feb 4, 2015 23:06 |
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There's been one for a while HiHo has been on it too .
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# ? Feb 4, 2015 23:07 |
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Mr Apollo posted:Sure, they''ll be surprised by our idiocy for the whole three seconds it takes the enemy general to order them to swarm us. For any charge to be successful it would certainly have to happen after he is already dead and cannot coordinate a defense. It's a great plan if you're in a Chinese Wire-Fu film. Which we aren't. Which the DM had reiterated in the last 5 pages. Twice.
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# ? Feb 4, 2015 23:07 |
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I changed my vote on 1 from Plan Ark to F.
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# ? Feb 4, 2015 23:08 |
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A Darker Porpoise posted:There's been one for a while HiHo has been on it too . Ooohh, shiny.
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# ? Feb 4, 2015 23:09 |
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Aades posted:Ooohh, shiny. Yeah it's a neat alteration of the template haha, stealing it for my own use later .
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# ? Feb 4, 2015 23:09 |
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I distinctly remember my vote being "lie to ishamal" I knew the day would come where we would break our promise. That day is here for me. Part of me feels we have permission. Another part is like "I would do this even if Ish stood next to us saying we shouldn't" GO
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# ? Feb 4, 2015 23:10 |
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There Bias Two posted:This is incorrect. See the relevant conversation with Ish and the melachim above. He literally said "no more magic unless I say it's ok." So unless Don Ishamal or one of the Zepathan Protection Agency descends to tell us "it's cool, bro" we'd be breaking our word. And we wouldn't want to break our word, would we?
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# ? Feb 4, 2015 23:11 |
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Diog, what happens when people vote for the arrow time option in #1, but then vote for the "keep the vow, no powers" in #2? Some people think that is a contradiction. Some people think that arrow-time is a forbidden power, others agree except for now because of the implied permission in our senses and that message in blue font. Diog, your thoughts? Bularin posted:Nope. See last 10 pages of "we have no idea who modified Og, and we were explicitly told nothing except when Ish said no magic ever unless he signs off first."
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Diogines posted:If 21 > (100 - 80) is confusing, that is a middle school math problem, not English. Still too complicated for me. Respectfully requesting that you phrase all votes as A. Do good thing. or B. Do bad thing. In order to spare me any confusion.
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# ? Feb 4, 2015 23:13 |
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2m Let's be good boys and girls and follow the spirit of the law
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# ? Feb 4, 2015 23:13 |
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WhiteOutMouse posted:Diog, what happens when people vote for the arrow time option in #1, but then vote for the "keep the vow, no powers" in #2? Some people think that is a contradiction. Diogines posted:I don't know yet what happens if using arrow time wins vote 1 but not vote 2. Probably a revote tonight?
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# ? Feb 4, 2015 23:22 |
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So it looks like over 21 people voted for M, which means we'd need more than 100 people in total to vote for N/O/P to be able to use Arrowtime. (Which is fine, I get it, promises and all). But then for question 1, G is winning... where we want to use Arrowtime... Enkidel is one messed up, bipolar person. I blame goons.
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# ? Feb 4, 2015 23:43 |
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Well yeah, a lot of people voted GM because the second vote was confusing. Don't tell me they all didn't read properly I will stab you.
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# ? Feb 4, 2015 23:46 |
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If you guys want to make unalterable actions like chopping off our balls and agreeing to Never Do Cool poo poo Again, Asherah-drat-it, I'm going to make sure you hold yourselves to it. Even if I have to vote to Not Do Cool poo poo to do so. Also, how was Question 2 confusing? The first version of the question was clear. Do you want to break your promise? YES/NO? If Yes, for how long?
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# ? Feb 4, 2015 23:51 |
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Now that I better understand Question 2 I'll vote P I don't really want to deplete our reserves of [pie] before the huge fight, but taking down a general might be worth an arrow time shot or two. So I won't oppose the goonmind if it things it's a good idea.
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# ? Feb 4, 2015 23:53 |
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We are here by divine providence. We burned an offering to El and saw the oncoming storm. Our power has been unlocked for this battle. Shushem himself marches upon Tanaach. El (or at least one of his subordinates) has blessed us for exactly this moment. El is supreme, and we are his divine rail gun. Voting GO. Use the power we have been given to pin the enemy leader to the ground.
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# ? Feb 4, 2015 23:55 |
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Slaan posted:Also, how was Question 2 confusing? The first version of the question was clear. Do you want to break your promise? YES/NO? If Yes, for how long? It was confusing because parts of it could also refer to the 80% rule being kept. Maybe people think the addition of "you will not use your powers in this battle of 21% blabla" was enough to clarify it was referring to the promise, but then again limiting us to never use powers in this battle now when it has barely begun and lot's of poo poo might happen still would be really stupid.
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# ? Feb 4, 2015 23:55 |
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GO I think the word graphic describing our temporary abilities was our hall pass from the Watchers for this battle.
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# ? Feb 4, 2015 23:58 |
Crudus posted:GO it even specifically references that we have control over certain abilities that we normally do not, and also to not use Ball Trance
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# ? Feb 5, 2015 00:00 |
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GO Holy poo poo. I can't imagine what the (non-antagonistic) M voters are thinking. Yeah, we promised Ishamal not to use non-sanctioned powers. Because we aren't able to control ourselves. Then, we got those powers sanctioned, and were explicitly told we've been temporarily modified so to be able to control ourselves in those respects. That some people don't draw a parallel between those is... Let me see. If I've got it straight, the line of thinking for M voters seems to go: 1. We promised Ishamal specifically, and he hasn't given us the okay. or 2: Maybe it's a trick and an evil force modified us at El's altar in order to get us to use our powers and get in trouble! The answer to 1 seems fairly straight-forward. Ishamal's authority derives from the Melachim. Given what we know of his positions, re: respect for the Melachim, to imagine that Ishamal would have us keep our promise to him, even in the face of the Melachim telling us to do otherwise seems ludicrous. He's following the will of the Melachim, but you think he'd have us not listen to his bosses? That though, is even really beside the point. Yes, the line was written 'you won't do anything that I don't okay', but it was also written 'the Melachim will consult in cases of extreme emergency and decide if you can use your powers then'. They've obviously done so, are people really so paralyzed by ambiguities 'between the lines' so as to resist because Ishamal hasn't literally had the time to run up and tell us it's okay? Maybe because he's fighting at Zepath? Of course, M-position-2 objects to my statement 'The Melachim have obviously okayed us'. Either because they haven't literally come down and said 'It's okay', or because it's not 100% clear that some other secret shadow power didn't speak to us before El's altar and rearrange our soul. All I can really say to this is that some of these people must have a very hard time in life, if they're completely unable to accept anything that isn't perfectly spelled out and presented in a formal contract, and that some are really, really reaching in the thought that some evil thing has tricked us in front of El's altar. Yes, it's possible. It's also against more or less everything we've experienced in the game, and has no precedent whatsoever. It's possible, but it's extraordinarily unreasonable to reject every piece of experience we've had and go with the 'well you can't prove otherwise' rationale. Nothing much to say to the 'gently caress You, M' voters. I respect your commitment. Also, I wish I didn't seem to be in the position of being out each day while the first wave of Diog updates come in. I keep having to catch up to 200+ pages when I get back and miss all the debate
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# ? Feb 5, 2015 00:02 |
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BM Cuz I wanna fire arrows and not use our vital fluids.
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# ? Feb 5, 2015 00:04 |
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Diogines posted:You know that [???] is expended involuntarily to mend wounds and protect your flesh to a degree. If you... experimented, perhaps you could use [???] to fuel yourself and get there in two days and still fight? You don't know how but from years of Ishamal's exercises and your own experiences you can make an educated guess? Diogines posted:You run. Diogines: see above haven't we already used 'experimental powers' after being boosted?
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# ? Feb 5, 2015 00:10 |
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Theglavwen posted:GO Remember that time we voted to stop breathing and almost ate our dog? Oh noooo we can't do magic. Literally everyone with any amount of authority in our lives who wasn't a cannibal advised us or made us promise to not do magic until we know what we're doing. Hell, I'd bet Shushem would tell us not to do magic until we're ready. MAYBE THERE'S A GOOD REASON FOR THIS!?!?!?!?
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Cornuto posted:Diogines: see above haven't we already used 'experimental powers' after being boosted? Pretty sure we haven't and that's just the normal unconsious wound healing/stamina increasing thing. I mean technically it is a power but I don't think we are even capable of not using it, it probably would've happened even without the boost, we just wouldn't notice.
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