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The glory days of the IC belt are 20 years past and they ain't coming back anytime soon. Now I'm sad.
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Alain Post posted:Isn't Chyna winning the IC title usually seen as the moment it started to become less and less meaningful? She's not the worst wrestler to win the IC title and she's not the lightest. She was over too. So I guess your problem is purely that she's a woman, which is pretty sexist. It brought attention to the belt and promoted it as important.
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Feb 5, 2015 21:58
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oldpainless posted:The glory days of the IC belt are 20 years past and they ain't coming back anytime soon. Try thinking about John Cena, that will make you feel better.
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Feb 5, 2015 22:04
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xNarUtoRKOrton420x posted:Try thinking about John Cena, that will make you feel better. Just lay back and think of Boston
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Feb 5, 2015 22:07
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I enjoyed the hell out of Kurt Angle, Euro-Continental Champion, but that was as much Kurt Angle as anything to do with the belts. God, that was 15 years ago.
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Feb 5, 2015 22:09
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AngryCaterpillar posted:She's not the worst wrestler to win the IC title and she's not the lightest. She was over too. So I guess your problem is purely that she's a woman, which is pretty sexist. It brought attention to the belt and promoted it as important. Except the the storylines were a total mess the whole time she had it
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Feb 5, 2015 22:13
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yourdadsbestfriend posted:I enjoyed the hell out of Kurt Angle, Euro-Continental Champion, but that was as much Kurt Angle as anything to do with the belts. The first ever Euro-Continental Champion (except for D'Lo Brown, but he doesn't count.)
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Feb 5, 2015 22:13
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oldpainless posted:The glory days of the IC belt are 20 years past and they ain't coming back anytime soon. The hallmark of the IC belt was having good matches. Bret/Perfect, Bret/Piper, Razor/Shawn, Shawn/Marty, Savage/Steamboat, Davey/Shawn, Davey/Bret. You were stuck with Hogan matches as an attraction for so long, that you had the IC champ give you great matches. Even when Honky was champion, the matches sucked, but it was great theater.
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Feb 5, 2015 22:18
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Beef Jerky Robot posted:Except the the storylines were a total mess the whole time she had it Plus she shared it with Jericho. It wasn't even hers.
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Feb 5, 2015 22:19
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AngryCaterpillar posted:She's not the worst wrestler to win the IC title and she's not the lightest. She was over too. So I guess your problem is purely that she's a woman, which is pretty sexist. It brought attention to the belt and promoted it as important. #DamnItsTrue Chyna was a flash in the pan, which doesn't qualify her to be the IC title-holder. This would be like giving Mizdow the IC belt now, which they probably are thinking of doing.
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Feb 5, 2015 22:21
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Sometimes I think we get into "groupthink" here way too much. There is nothing wrong or tainted about the IC belt. If they decided tomorrow to have someone win it, get a win streak, then have an opponent who is focusing on winning the belt it will be elevated in no time. The WWE championship was regarded as a "prop" on here for a long time, but now that Brock has it and they've built a storyline around it you have the upper card (Reigns, Bryan, Rollins, Cena, etc.) all arguing over the belt and trying to topple Brock. In no time the belt is very important because it's now being held by an unstoppable monster and everyone wants it. That's all wrestling is, you tells the fans that something is important and stick with it and eventually they (or a portion of the audience) will believe you.
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Feb 5, 2015 22:23
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Karl Ontario posted:That's all wrestling is, you tells the fans that something is important and stick with it and eventually they (or a portion of the audience) will believe you. I think I found the problem with your reasoning.
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Feb 5, 2015 22:26
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I think it was expected that they'd fill the void of a real secondary title after the world titles were merged and it hasn't happened at all. The fact that the IC and US belts are the same thing doesn't help, though maybe the US belt will have a little renaissance if it's on Cena or an undefeated Rusev.
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Feb 5, 2015 22:28
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Alain Post posted:#DamnItsTrue I wouldn't say Chyna was a "flash in the pan". She was in WWE for 4 years and even won her last match in the company. She left because of HHH and Stephanie, not because she was losing luster or the because company didn't want her. Edit: Hell, she was even in Playboy AFTER leaving WWE. Karl Ontario fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Feb 5, 2015 |
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Feb 5, 2015 22:29
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Fat Lowtax posted:I think it was expected that they'd fill the void of a real secondary title after the world titles were merged and it hasn't happened at all. Then Cena could cut a promo about how he grew up in the birthplace of the revolution, Massachussetts, and how he's gonna bring the US title HOME TO WHERE IT BELONGS, JACK! ... Or he could make gay/sex jokes and not care about the US title at all while Lana ignores the literal prop Rusev is holding.
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Feb 5, 2015 22:33
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Red posted:The hallmark of the IC belt was having good matches. Bret/Perfect, Bret/Piper, Razor/Shawn, Shawn/Marty, Savage/Steamboat, Davey/Shawn, Davey/Bret. Hogan matches were great theater too. Certainly not worse than loving Honky Tonk matches.
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Feb 5, 2015 22:36
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Red posted:The hallmark of the IC belt was having good matches. Bret/Perfect, Bret/Piper, Razor/Shawn, Shawn/Marty, Savage/Steamboat, Davey/Shawn, Davey/Bret. The last heydey in that regard then might be Benoit/Angle/Jericho/Guerrero days around 2000/2001, I guess?
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Feb 5, 2015 22:51
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Alain Post posted:#DamnItsTrue Chyna never stopped being popular. She was IC champion in '99 and won the Women's Championship at WMX7 in '01 shortly before being forced out by HHH's affair. Fat Lowtax posted:I think it was expected that they'd fill the void of a real secondary title after the world titles were merged and it hasn't happened at all. "We didn't think of that."
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Feb 5, 2015 22:54
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triplexpac posted:I don't think age is the issue, it's exposure. List of WWE Champions and the years between their debut in WWE and their first WWE Championship. Beginning of Austin's first reign Austin 3 Kane 1 Rock 2 Foley 2 Taker 1 Show 0 HHH 3 Angle 1 Jericho 2 Lesnar 0 End of Attitude Era Eddie 4 JBL 8 Cena 3 Edge 9 RVD 5 Orton 5 J Hardy 10 (2 after return in 2006) Batista 7 Sheamus 0 Miz 6 Rey 9 Punk 6 Bryan 4 Tezzor fucked around with this message at 23:13 on Feb 5, 2015 |
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Feb 5, 2015 22:55
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A lot of those guys were around through the Attitude era and didn't warrant a main event spot until the bigger stars had left so it's hardly a fair comparison.
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Feb 5, 2015 23:01
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Also the WHC should count up through like 2007 at least.
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Feb 5, 2015 23:09
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Spermgod posted:A lot of those guys were around through the Attitude era and didn't warrant a main event spot until the bigger stars had left so it's hardly a fair comparison. Here's everybody through 1990-1998: Warrior 3 Hogan 4 Slaughter 11 (1 after return in 1990) Taker 1 Flair 1 Savage 3 Hart 8 Yokozuna 1 Backlund 1 (1 after return in 1994) Nash 1 Michaels 7 Sid 5 (1 after return in 1995)
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Feb 5, 2015 23:11
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Fat Lowtax posted:The fact that the IC and US belts are the same thing doesn't help, though maybe the US belt will have a little renaissance if it's on Cena or an undefeated Rusev. Yeah the US title sure has gained prestige in the 3 months Rusev's been holding it.
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Feb 5, 2015 23:11
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bradzilla posted:Yeah the US title sure has gained prestige in the 3 months Rusev's been holding it. When you only book blood feuds, nobody's motivation is ever "I want the title"
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Feb 5, 2015 23:16
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I don't really know the point of all these numbers are anymore, but listing people like Hogan/Flair (and even to some extent Jericho and Foley) is also misleading when they came into the company as established stars already. plus, putting the belt on a monster early has kinda been accepted for a while.
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Feb 5, 2015 23:17
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bradzilla posted:Yeah the US title sure has gained prestige in the 3 months Rusev's been holding it. Should have added "after Mania," if Rusev fights Cena at Mania, he beats him clean and the belt is still a complete afterthought I'd be surprised. Of course, watch them hardly mention the title during the whole program and silently drop it to like Sheamus in April.
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Feb 5, 2015 23:18
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Lloyd Boner posted:Also the WHC should count up through like 2007 at least. Either 2008, which was the last time it main evented a Wrestlemania, or 2009 when Cena last held it while it was booked on par with the WWE title.
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Feb 5, 2015 23:25
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It is weird that they put the US title on Rusev and don't really do anything with it. They should be trolling the audience every week with that belt being in the hands of a guy who hates America. There should be a huge buildup for when someone is finally able to take it away from him. Such a missed opportunity.
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Feb 5, 2015 23:30
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Niwrad posted:It is weird that they put the US title on Rusev and don't really do anything with it. They should be trolling the audience every week with that belt being in the hands of a guy who hates America. There should be a huge buildup for when someone is finally able to take it away from him. Such a missed opportunity. Yeah they really dropped the ball with Rusev and the U.S. title. Everyone was calling it for months as a perfect scenario, and when it finally comes nothing happens.
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Feb 5, 2015 23:32
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Best IC title feud ever <<<FOR ME>>> was Rock vs. Shamrock from late 97 through to around Mania 98. That feud was the main event for me since HBK was never on the show and they had to build to the actual main event with Austin taunting Tyson and Vince and general mayhem. Lord I haaaaated the fact that Shamrock clearly was the better man but kept getting screwed out of the title because he was just too badass.
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Feb 5, 2015 23:36
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MacDougall posted:Best IC title feud ever <<<FOR ME>>> was Rock vs. Shamrock from late 97 through to around Mania 98. That feud was the main event for me since HBK was never on the show and they had to build to the actual main event with Austin taunting Tyson and Vince and general mayhem. Lord I haaaaated the fact that Shamrock clearly was the better man but kept getting screwed out of the title because he was just too badass. I went to a house show where Shamrock beat Rock and left with the title. I was expecting i him to show up on Raw with it and was really disappointed when it wasn't acknowledged. I was also in like... 7th grade and it was my first house show ever.
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Feb 5, 2015 23:48
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Niwrad posted:It is weird that they put the US title on Rusev and don't really do anything with it. They should be trolling the audience every week with that belt being in the hands of a guy who hates America. There should be a huge buildup for when someone is finally able to take it away from him. Such a missed opportunity. There was that picture of the European title that Lana posted up and then quickly deleted. Made me think that there were plans to do something with it and then they decided not to because she posted that pic.
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Feb 6, 2015 00:04
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I thought there was something that came out about how people in WWE thought Rusev renaming the title or whatever would make him seem like a "joke champion." A joke US champion - not an oxymoron. Their end goal for character development is Dolph Ziggler: A Guy Who Wrestles.
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Feb 6, 2015 00:07
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They might well make the U.S. title more of a plot point in the coming month because Cena storylines actually get some effort put toward them by creative.
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Feb 6, 2015 00:11
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Couple pages late on this but Memphis is as marky as they come and will likely cheer real loud for Reigns beating Bryan Also, Buff Bagwell is a big lovely baby and loving sucks rear end as a human and a wrestler. I hate Buff Bagwell
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Feb 6, 2015 00:15
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NickRoweFillea posted:Couple pages late on this but Memphis is as marky as they come Well you're from there
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Feb 6, 2015 00:28
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Buff apparently grew up in a crazy enough household that he had to shoot his father to stop him from killing his mom. Guy gets a pass for being hosed up.
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Feb 6, 2015 00:30
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NickRoweFillea posted:Couple pages late on this but Memphis is as marky as they come and will likely cheer real loud for Reigns beating Bryan So can we agree that Reigns is better than Buff?
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SamuraiFoochs posted:So can we agree that Reigns is better than Buff? Yea because Buff is loving rear end trash garbage
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Daniel Bryan posted:Well you're from there drat. I have been owned
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