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 The final update is here! It's over!!! Thanks for watching! If you’re here in this thread, you probably already know what Silent Hill 2 is, so I’ll spare the deets. We’re here to discuss the symbolism and themes of the game in this thread while the spoiler-free LP is going on in this other thread! This thread is where the "Nerd Commentary" versions of the regular LP’s vids are going to be. In them, Kamoc and I will be discussing symbolism and spoilers on top of the footage I'm using for the non-spoiler LP. In this thread, feel free to post theories, cool ideas, rants and raves, discussion and explanations about SH2. They don’t go in the other thread unless you’re an innocent who’s speculating and doesn’t know what’s going on up in there. Feel free to spoil everything you want about the games in here. For example: James killed Mary. There, just like that. NERD COMMENTARY VIDEOS Episode 01 Episode 02 Episode 03 Episode 04 Episode 05 Episode 06 Episode 07 Episode 08 Episode 09 Episode 10 Episode 11 (With Special Guest Jeremy Blaustein!) Episode 12 Episode 13 Episode 14 Episode 15 Episode 16 Episode 17 The Leave Ending The Maria Ending The Rebirth Ending The UFO Ending The Dog Ending Born From a Wish 01 Born From a Wish 02 Bonus Vids PyramidHead fight comparison: Shooting vs. Pacifism VoidBurger and Bob's Weed Joke Workshop (cut content from the end of Episode 09) Music! Pay Attention! by Alexander Rosetti FAN ART! Sev/@whackochacko:  @Rumrusher:  Aphra Bane:  purple_sammich:  DeathChicken:  NoctisWarp:  Huzzah!:  Pesky Splinter:  @cabeleb: "Pyramid Head's shoes were wet after trudging through the flooded stairs so he's takin a little break"  Nomad175:  ThatPazuzu (in honor of the thread coming back from hiatus):  @winebutterflies:  dijon du jour: "I think Bob needs to file a res-train-ing order"  uncleKitchener:  Bored: "Just felt the need to say that a silent hill kitty would be all butthole, all the time."  Moto42 posted:The Silent Hillcat. Lurking Haro:  @westerngenre  @hawk16zz  dijon du jour 
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Aww yiss, been waiting years for this!
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Feb 5, 2015 22:37
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SH2 is one of those games I know too much about without ever actually playing it. Looking forward to this.
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Feb 5, 2015 22:41
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Siiiick. I've been thinking about Silent Hill in general a lot recently after a couple friends just found out about P.T. This is one of those games where every time feels like the first time
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Feb 5, 2015 22:47
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I guess I won't stay silent on this thread. Looking forward to the LP.
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Feb 5, 2015 22:52
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Should have intro'd the spoiler video #1 with "JAMES DIES. OR HE DOESN'T." Thank god someone else noticed the van in Origins being weirdly out-of-proportion. Gyro Zeppeli fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Feb 5, 2015 |
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Feb 5, 2015 22:53
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Team spoiler thread for lyfe I'm already working on club t-shirts for us. (Great to see the new LP. Excited to see what kind of discussion comes up.) dijon du jour fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Feb 5, 2015 |
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Feb 5, 2015 22:53
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I've played this game like ten times and I still know I'm gonna learn something here, can't wait to see what
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Feb 5, 2015 22:57
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Weird question, but can you/will you show off the police tape when you return to the scene where you first encounter the Lying Liar Who Lies Patient Liar Demon? I've never actually seen that myself.
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Feb 5, 2015 23:08
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Not being into horror games at all, I still really enjoy hearing about them. Especially from Voidburger and Kamoc!
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Feb 5, 2015 23:11
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When VoidBurger said "James, don't go into that spooky hole", I had a thought. You might as well call Silent Hill 2 "James Sunderland Makes Increasingly Bad Choices Regarding Spooky Holes".
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Feb 5, 2015 23:14
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Hijo Del Helmsley posted:When VoidBurger said "James, don't go into that spooky hole", I had a thought. James Sunderland and the No Good Very Big Holes
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Feb 5, 2015 23:16
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Kaboom Dragoon posted:James Sunderland and the No Good Very Big Holes A Series of Unfortunate Hol-- no, no. I'll stop.
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Feb 5, 2015 23:39
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That pretty much sums up James in many regards.
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Feb 6, 2015 00:23
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Just finished watching the Shattered Memories LP, super thrilled to see you do one for this game. Played it like once, got the end you'd get for looking at everything over and over again. Also, James: not someone you want to shake hands with.
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Feb 6, 2015 00:33
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It's amazing how well this game tackled the material present in its story. Everything it had was grotesque, unnerving, and even hard to watch. And yet, Silent Hill 2 did all of it tastefully. Glad you've gotten around to doing this, VB!
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Feb 6, 2015 00:33
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Okay, quick note about mile markers: I have lived in both New York and Baltimore. I commute from Baltimore to DC every day, and on my commute there are miler markers for places that are HELLA far from me, like Atlanta. Mile markers in Maryland and DC make no loving sense. Silent Hill is in Maryland, QED.
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Feb 6, 2015 00:33
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Yay, it's finally here! So happy you're doing this, VB. Silent Hill 2 is one of my favorite video games even though I am a scared baby and each time I play it it takes me multiple years to beat it. It'll be nice to see the game all in one go rather than spread across like 5 years.
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Feb 6, 2015 00:54
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Aren't you afraid that the concentrated nerdery of this thread could affect the groundwater? Children being born with strong opinions on the symbolism of Robbie the Rabbit. Is that what you want?
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Feb 6, 2015 01:25
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What's it like to be playing a game that doesn't make you want to kill yourself? Ed: But instead makes people think they wanted to kill/ruin the franchise.
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Feb 6, 2015 02:00
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7c Nickel posted:Aren't you afraid that the concentrated nerdery of this thread could affect the groundwater? Children being born with strong opinions on the symbolism of Robbie the Rabbit. Is that what you want? Veloxyll posted:What's it like to be playing a game that doesn't make you want to kill yourself?
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Feb 6, 2015 02:04
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Edit: I'm tired is my excuse for stating something clearly in the video. But does anyone have the link to that developer interview/magazine thing that touched on Mary's corpse? It was a good read, I remember. Man, when you're in your mid-20's and you're remembering this game, you realize that everything in this game is so intense that you shouldn't have played it 10 years ago because this is so not appropriate for kids. At all. bman in 2288 fucked around with this message at 02:24 on Feb 6, 2015 |
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Feb 6, 2015 02:20
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I assume you'll be getting the only correct, canon ending for this game? (the Dog ending)  Also, will you show off/compare the puzzles from hard and easy? Some of them get insanely convoluted don't they?
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Feb 6, 2015 02:21
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Can't wait the see all your commentary with Bob on this!
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Feb 6, 2015 02:26
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Hijo Del Helmsley posted:When VoidBurger said "James, don't go into that spooky hole", I had a thought. They wanted to call the "Maria" ending that, but the executives stepped in and vetoed that one.  Looking forward to this! Welcome back, Voidburger!
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Feb 6, 2015 02:44
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bman in 2288 posted:Edit: I'm tired is my excuse for stating something clearly in the video. But does anyone have the link to that developer interview/magazine thing that touched on Mary's corpse? It was a good read, I remember. Spalec posted:I assume you'll be getting the only correct, canon ending for this game? (the Dog ending) Spalec posted:Also, will you show off/compare the puzzles from hard and easy? Some of them get insanely convoluted don't they?  If people really want it though, I can make a bonus video about each puzzle.
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Feb 6, 2015 03:08
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Whycalibur posted:A Series of Unfortunate Hol-- no, no. I'll stop. please respect angela I'll wait a few videos before I start asking dumb questions about silent hill but otherwise I am super hyped to see SH2 because I don't really know a lot about it despite knowing a lot about it because of cultural osmosis and it's always been the SH that's the most interesting seeming to me.
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Feb 6, 2015 03:15
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BearJazz posted:Okay, quick note about mile markers: I have lived in both New York and Baltimore. I commute from Baltimore to DC every day, and on my commute there are miler markers for places that are HELLA far from me, like Atlanta.  or Utah. So 200 miles isnt so bad. ZeusCannon fucked around with this message at 04:55 on Feb 6, 2015 |
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Feb 6, 2015 04:35
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Wow, people really want to leave Utah, huh.
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Feb 6, 2015 04:43
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That's a sign right outside Baltimore. So I guess its just a suggestion on how far you should get away from Baltimore. Is Silent Hill in Maryland? I always figured it was in like Tennessee or something but never really paid attention either way.
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Feb 6, 2015 04:58
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it's like springfield but before matt groening said where springfield was supposed to be
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Feb 6, 2015 04:59
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It used to just be just "New England" for a while there, but there's a few things that have placed it in Maine. - In Hiroyuki Owaku's (scenario writer of the first games in the series) Double Under Dusk Japanese-only cellphone comic, Silent Hill is placed in Maine. - A timeline in the Book of Lost Memories' (which is a big theory guide thingy released by Konami after SH3 came out) specifically mentions "Maine becomes a state." Which is kinda weird to include if that's not where Silent Hill is located. -Downpour also places it in Maine with license plates and whatnot. - And the weirdest one: On the inside of the liner notes for the Japanese release of Silent Hill 4: The Room's soundtrack, an address is given for Heaven's Night that ends in "ME", which is Maine. Though it makes sense that it's in Maine, since the majority of Stephen King's novels seem to take place there, and King was a major influencer of the series. The movies shove it in West Virginia because they based it off the real abandoned town of Centralia for no decent reason, imo.
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Feb 6, 2015 05:14
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This has always been one of my favorite games. I remember one year I was able to find a bunch of used copies for $10-12 a pop and so that year everyone got SH2 for Christmas. I enjoyed other games in the series, but none of them really affected me the way 2 did. I'm very much looking forward to a spoiler-filled discussion of this game.
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Feb 6, 2015 05:24
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VoidBurger posted:The movies shove it in West Virginia because they based it off the real abandoned town of Centralia for no decent reason, imo. Dilapidated towns full of rusty poo poo and vision-obscuring particulates. Although by that logic you could base Silent Hill in Michigan.
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Feb 6, 2015 05:52
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All proves that Maine is the most haunted loving place on earth. I live there and I hear noises under my bed nightly.  Hell my town has a hidden ~*Sewer Level*~ so to speak.
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Feb 6, 2015 06:23
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VoidBurger posted:It used to just be just "New England" for a while there, but there's a few things that have placed it in Maine.
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Feb 6, 2015 06:24
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Accordion Man posted:To be fair, Centralia is probably one of the closet things to a real life Silent HIll.  Heck, there's loads of abandoned American towns out there! If one of them had cult wackiness and a tourist drug ring going on in them, THAT would be the town I'd point to and say "That's the closest thing to a real life Silent Hill."Actually, it's debated still how populated Silent Hill actually is. It was a thriving tourist town until at least SH1, which took place in 1983ish, I think? I think there's evidence for it still being a tourist hotspot during the events of SH2 (1993, if I'm not mistaken?), but I'm too tired to look it up right now... Pretty sure that Homecoming was the first to be like "That place is hosed up, we don't go there" but then again, Homecoming was kinda "Silent Hill: The Movie: The Game" in a few ways.
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Feb 6, 2015 06:56
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There are ads for Silent Hill as a tourist spot in SH4 too, which was probably supposed to have happened fairly shortly after SH2.
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Feb 6, 2015 09:02
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Nah, 4 takes place a while after 2. James' dad says he disappeared years ago.
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Feb 6, 2015 09:26
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VoidBurger posted:Yeah, if Silent Hill had a coal fire burning under the town that made everybody move out. But it doesn't in the games, that's just something they put in the movie! Me, my sister and my mother played through all the Silent Hills over Christmas 2004, right after The Room came out. We still joke about Silent Hill being based off of the tiny town (less than 2000 people) we grew up in. It had lots of "cults" (Moose, Elk, Oddfellows and Masons... In fact the biggest building in town in an old Masonic temple), along with 13 (at last count) churches of various denominations, and a ton of drugs used to go through. It's been dying for a long time, they built a highway that goes around it, and the logging industry died out. It used to be kind of a touristy place to stop in and eat/get gas/whatever on your way up the mountains, but another route has become popular. There's really no reason to go there at all anymore. It's heavily forested and borders a river with a lake just outside of town, it rains all the time and is foggy pretty often. Also had a spooky abandoned lumber mill, a disturbing restaurant with dozens of stuffed big game trophies (they had multiple tigers and polar bear, the dude who owned it was some famous crazy big game hunter in the mid 1900s), and the Elementary and High schools were massive brick buildings built in the 20s. I had to go into the sub-basement of the Elementary school once to help a teacher out when I was in High-school, and the loving thing was filled with old style wheelchairs and weird physical therapy equipment for disabled kids. Freaked me the gently caress out. Two of the three ways out of town were either a dilapidated bridge over a deep river gorge or a mountain road that was pretty much always washed out or snowed in. No amusement park, alas. Haerc fucked around with this message at 10:33 on Feb 6, 2015 |
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