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wicka: Jun 28, 2007

simplefish posted:

Irony, anyone?

If anyone was wondering, his simple point earlier was that a 'title sponsor' was significant because they covered (say) 50% of the team's costs, rather than because their name was in the team name snd in the livery.

Dudley switched the former and the latter (in a more literal intetpretation), leading to a debate. They ended up talking past each other, because a 'significant' amount of money is a relative term - do we judge it based on %team costs covered, or %sponsorship you actually have in that year because the past is history?

It is a good discussion but not if you are so concerned with showing how wrong the other one is that you fail to explain your position. Because then you get
"Lol ron sez he can't get a title sponsor but everyone else has one, he's just bitter and has inflated the value of Maccs stupidly and can't consider compromising"
"Actually ron is right, title sponsors are a thing of the past"
"Um wut?"

Ive met dudley and he's a nice bloke, but that argument was painful to read. The question was not "Does McLaren have a titke sponsor?" (Clearly not), nor "Does any team have a title sponsor?" (Yes unless you're being obtuse), nor "is McLaren poo poo and is ron overvaluing it?" (Yes and probably), but instead "What is so singularly important about title sponsors that we put them in a category of their own?"

The worst thread.

i take back what i said about finnish drivers, i only support this man. i am an rear end.

also, as a kid who grew up supporting mclaren, and thus hating ferrari, it has shocked me that red bull's unbearableness and ferrari's relative uselessness has made me SOMEWHAT support the scuderia. caveat to everything i've said so far: all allegiances go out the window if massa has a chance to win another race.

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# ? Apr 23, 2024 07:42

AgentJotun: Nov 1, 2007

Ummm hey guys - If title sponsors are no longer a real thing then how have Ferrari had Scuderia for so long?

Also that Foxtel deal loving sucks and now we know how you Brits felt a couple of years ago. Cant believe they managed to rush it in for 2015.

# ? Feb 13, 2015 01:03

Ilanin: May 31, 2009; Smarter than the average Blair.

I have generally supported drivers up until now (which has meant Jenson for about the last decade - before him Mansell, Hill, Schumacher occasionally, and Kimi back when he was driving fast but unreliable McLarens and not since). After Jenson it was going to be Jules Bianchi, but he's never going to drive anything again, most likely. So I'm not sure. I've always had something of a soft spot for Williams, and Massa and Bo77as are both pretty likeable, so I might end up supporting a team once Jenson retires. I used to like the Scuderia but the more I learn about F1 history the more I dislike them; Ferrari's early history is basically a history of being the second fastest car except on the occasions when nobody else was rich/organised enough to actually build F1 cars properly. Otherwise, they were behind Alfa, then Mercedes, then Maserati, then Vanwall, then Cooper, then Lotus and BRM. They won their championships in years where the regulations changed and they were the only constructor who was actually ready for them.

You can kind of see where Ferrari's strategy of getting the rules changed if they aren't winning came from. It's not exactly glorious.

# ? Feb 13, 2015 01:03

Human Grand Prix: Jan 24, 2013; by FactsAreUseless

Except for the parts where that isn't true in the least you are right. I guess.

# ? Feb 13, 2015 01:09

Feels Villeneuve: Oct 7, 2007; Setter is Better.

It seems like all those other teams were dead and Ferrari isn't so they can't have been very good.

# ? Feb 13, 2015 01:09

Ilanin: May 31, 2009; Smarter than the average Blair.

Human Grand Prix posted:

Except for the parts where that isn't true in the least you are right. I guess.

Ferrari were slower than Alfa in 1950-1, than Mercedes in 1954-5, fastest admittedly in 1956 but they were running Lancias rather than their own cars, slower than Maserati at the start of 1957 and slower (but more reliable) than Vanwall in late 1957-8, slower than Cooper in 1959-60, slower than Lotus and BRM 1962-5. The years they were fastest? 1961 - engine formula change, nobody else was ready. 1966 - engine formula change, nobody else was ready. (Very) early 1958 - fuel type change, nobody else was ready. The only years before 1966 that actual Ferraris were the best cars were 1952-3 - and at that point nobody else even really built Formula 1 cars so the championship ran to Formula 2 rules; and there wasn't really an organised F2 competitor for the Ferrari 500.

# ? Feb 13, 2015 01:16

Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester: Oct 3, 2000

Tsaedje posted:

I can't comprehend having strong feelings either way about the McLaren team. They're just so grey.

Fifty Shades of Dennis

# ? Feb 13, 2015 01:18

poty: Jun 21, 2008; 虹はどこで終わるのですか？あなたの魂の中で、または地平線で?

I support all British teams and drivers because we came up with motorsport, F1 and, if you think about it, western civilization.

McLaren is a good British team that is just going through a rough patch since the germans started to cheat in 2010. Thankfully our Lewis has infiltrated their operations and is undermining as much as he can from the inside but fret not we will rise again and prevail like we did in WW2

# ? Feb 13, 2015 02:14

fish and chips and dip: Feb 17, 2010

When I started watching F1 I supported whoever took the fight to Micheal Schumacher, I just couldn't stand him back in the late 90's early 00's. The period has left me with a deep seated hate for the Ferrari F1 team. Since then I've supported whoever I found the most likeable at any given time, Lewis, Kubica and Williams mostly.

fish and chips and dip fucked around with this message at 02:46 on Feb 13, 2015

# ? Feb 13, 2015 02:42

BAD AT STUFF: May 10, 2012; We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because fuck you.

poty posted:

McLaren is a good British team that is just going through a rough patch since the germans started to cheat in 2010. Thankfully our Lewis has infiltrated their operations and is undermining as much as he can from the inside but fret not we will rise again and prevail like we did in WW2

Helping them to win a championship isn't sabotage, it's appeasement. Lewis is Lord Halifax.

# ? Feb 13, 2015 02:43

You Am I: May 20, 2001; Me @ your poasting

jediguy posted:

Turns out the Foxtel F1 deal starts from this year...

http://www.foxsports.com.au/motor-s...l-1227217591538

gently caress, only 10 races are going to be shown on Channel 10 this season. gently caress you Ch. 10 and Foxtel :mad:

# ? Feb 13, 2015 02:47

gret: Dec 12, 2005; goggle-eyed freak

poty posted:

I support all British teams and drivers because we came up with motorsport, F1 and, if you think about it, western civilization.

McLaren is a good British team that is just going through a rough patch since the germans started to cheat in 2010. Thankfully our Lewis has infiltrated their operations and is undermining as much as he can from the inside but fret not we will rise again and prevail like we did in WW2

So Lewis was sabotaging his own car the whole time?

# ? Feb 13, 2015 03:04

poty: Jun 21, 2008; 虹はどこで終わるのですか？あなたの魂の中で、または地平線で?

Mimetic posted:

Helping them to win a championship isn't sabotage, it's appeasement. Lewis is Lord Halifax.

Whatever else history may or may not say about these terrible, tremendous years, we can be sure that Our Lewis acted with perfect sincerity according to his lights and strove to the utmost of his capacity and authority, which were powerful, to save the world from the awful, devastating struggle in which we are now engaged.

# ? Feb 13, 2015 03:16

Butt Wizard: Nov 3, 2005; It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.

gret posted:

So Lewis was sabotaging his own car the whole time?

yea by being in it WHOAH SHOTS FIRED

# ? Feb 13, 2015 03:18

Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester: Oct 3, 2000

Everyone knows the Germans are the rightful winners of all motor races. They invented the car, they invented r&d, they invented winning. They will dominate unchallenged from now until the end of history.

# ? Feb 13, 2015 03:21

gret: Dec 12, 2005; goggle-eyed freak

Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:

Everyone knows the Germans are the rightful winners of all motor races. They invented the car, they invented r&d, they invented winning. They will dominate unchallenged from now until the end of history.

Since 2008, there's been major German involvement in every WDC.

# ? Feb 13, 2015 03:53

Barnsy: Jul 22, 2013

You Am I posted:

gently caress, only 10 races are going to be shown on Channel 10 this season. gently caress you Ch. 10 and Foxtel

Huh? Where do you see just 10 races? Only the races will be on 10, the qualifying and practice are all on foxtel.

Edit: I can't read. Holy poo poo gently caress foxtel in the rear end. Knowing Bernie there's no way I'll be able to get the races any other way either. Guess F1 lost another fan to greedy fuckers.

# ? Feb 13, 2015 07:41

Wirth1000: May 12, 2010; #essereFerrari

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbqovmFh5sw

# ? Feb 13, 2015 07:49

n8r: Jul 3, 2003; I helped Lowtax become a cyborg and all I got was this lousy avatar

2004 was about as fast as F1 cars ever got wasn't it?

# ? Feb 13, 2015 08:01

Feels Villeneuve: Oct 7, 2007; Setter is Better.

Yeah. It's funny when it gets brought up as some kind of glory year because it was a lovely-rear end season lol.

i do kinda miss how the cars looked back then though, nothing since 2009 has really looked right to me.

# ? Feb 13, 2015 08:10

DAAS Kapitalist: Nov 9, 2005; Jackass: The Mad Monk

Don't try this at home.

Ilanin posted:

After Jenson it was going to be Jules Bianchi, but he's never going to drive anything again, most likely.

Google should use their driverless cars to set up a racing series for dead and vegetated former F1 drivers. Jochen Rindt could win another posthumous championship.

# ? Feb 13, 2015 08:59

Dudley: Feb 24, 2003; Tasty

n8r posted:

2004 was about as fast as F1 cars ever got wasn't it?

In a straight line certainly, I think JPM still holds the Monza lap record (unless it went last year).

# ? Feb 13, 2015 09:06

thegasman2000: Feb 12, 2005; Update my TFLC log? BOLLOCKS!
/

He was so poo poo. Did you see how long it took him to pass that red backmarker.

# ? Feb 13, 2015 09:13

Brainwrong: Mar 20, 2004; RIP Bobby K
Poland's Rose. Like a cabbage in the wind.

poty posted:

I support all British teams and drivers because we came up with motorsport, F1 and, if you think about it, western civilization.

McLaren is a good British team that is just going through a rough patch since the germans started to cheat in 2010. Thankfully our Lewis has infiltrated their operations and is undermining as much as he can from the inside but fret not we will rise again and prevail like we did in WW2

This is true.

Ron Dennis should be knighted. He's essentially a modern day Churchill. Churchill fought the Italians and Germans without a title sponsor on his cigars, I don't see why Ron can't do the same.

# ? Feb 13, 2015 09:45

Sashimi: Dec 26, 2008; College Slice

Brainwrong posted:

This is true.

Ron Dennis should be knighted. He's essentially a modern day Churchill. Churchill fought the Italians and Germans without a title sponsor on his cigars, I don't see why Ron can't do the same.

You forget the part where Churchill was an exceptionally witty and charismatic man, and Ron Dennis is the exact opposite.

I think half of my off season posts are about Ron Dennis for some reason.

# ? Feb 13, 2015 10:00

Brainwrong: Mar 20, 2004; RIP Bobby K
Poland's Rose. Like a cabbage in the wind.

Sashimi posted:

You forget the part where Churchill was an exceptionally witty and charismatic man, and Ron Dennis is the exact opposite.

Churchill tortured Obama's grandfather

Dennis gave us the first black F1 driver.

# ? Feb 13, 2015 10:08

Dubs: Mar 6, 2007; Stroll Own Zone.
Disregard Stroll outside zone.

DAAS Kapitalist posted:

Google should use their driverless cars to set up a racing series for dead and vegetated former F1 drivers. Jochen Rindt could win another posthumous championship.

The pilot they have been running since 2010 has worked ok.

# ? Feb 13, 2015 10:23

hyper from Pixie Sticks: Sep 28, 2004

thegasman2000 posted:

Here is a question for you. Do you support a team or a driver?

I support Ferrari and whoever drives for them (hence my recent realisation that Vettel is good and not remotely fraudulent), but I always had a soft spot for MSC (like his skull) whatever team he was with.

I'd also follow Claire Williams, but a judge said not to.

# ? Feb 13, 2015 11:38

Jedit: Dec 10, 2011; Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

poty posted:

I support all British teams and drivers because we came up with motorsport, F1 and, if you think about it, western civilization.

McLaren is a good British team that is just going through a rough patch since the germans started to cheat in 2010. Thankfully our Lewis has infiltrated their operations and is undermining as much as he can from the inside but fret not we will rise again and prevail like we did in WW2

This would have been a good post had you only remembered to call the Germans Nazis.

# ? Feb 13, 2015 11:42

harperdc: Jul 24, 2007

Alain Post posted:

Yeah. It's funny when it gets brought up as some kind of glory year because it was a lovely-rear end season lol.

i do kinda miss how the cars looked back then though, nothing since 2009 has really looked right to me.

1999-2004 cars but with current style tires on them would be perfect IMHO.

I hated Ferrari so much during the Schumacher reign of terror too, but it's hilarious and awesome to see them turn back into an Italian team the last few years. Alonso also made them a like able underdog the last few years as well.

# ? Feb 13, 2015 12:16

Roller Coast Guard: Aug 27, 2006; With this magnificent aircraft,
and my magnificent facial hair,
the British Empire will never fall!

Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:

Everyone knows the Germans are the rightful winners of all motor races. They invented the car, they invented r&d, they invented winning. They will dominate unchallenged from now until the end of history.

They are the Aryan Masterracers

# ? Feb 13, 2015 13:05

aequalis: Aug 11, 2010; Fernando is smugger than you. Can you confirm you understand that message?

The European Axis Powers release a video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXbdcdxv93c

# ? Feb 13, 2015 13:18

enri: Dec 16, 2003; Hope you're having an amazing day

Tsaedje posted:

..but reserve a special hatred for everything Ferrari..

I managed to shed my special hatred of Ferrari when Alonso climbed on board, now he's gone I can resume cackling with glee any time they do something stupid.

# ? Feb 13, 2015 13:21

WhoNeedsAName: Nov 30, 2013

DAAS Kapitalist posted:

Google should use their driverless cars to set up a racing series for dead and vegetated former F1 drivers. Jochen Rindt could win another posthumous championship.

Is that not called Formula-E? :colbert:

# ? Feb 13, 2015 13:26

DAAS Kapitalist: Nov 9, 2005; Jackass: The Mad Monk

Don't try this at home.

Google's cars are faster.

# ? Feb 13, 2015 13:46

RALF: Mar 15, 2009; Grimey Drawer

Brainwrong posted:

This is true.

Ron Dennis should be knighted. He's essentially a modern day Churchill. Churchill fought the Italians and Germans without a title sponsor on his cigars, I don't see why Ron can't do the same.

Churchill didn't lose though

# ? Feb 13, 2015 13:46

ukle: Nov 28, 2005

RALF posted:

Churchill didn't lose though

Churchill won wars but was crap at being an MP, he probably lost more elections than any other Prime Minister, he was like a god drat yoyo, think he had something like 4 constituencies over his time as MP as he kept getting kicked out of them for one reason or another. Very unlike Ron Dennis in that regard, as Ron is a pure one place guy and a Winner.

# ? Feb 13, 2015 14:09

Brainwrong: Mar 20, 2004; RIP Bobby K
Poland's Rose. Like a cabbage in the wind.

RALF posted:

Churchill didn't lose though

Ron = Alive

Churchill = Dead.

# ? Feb 13, 2015 14:33

NtotheTC: Dec 31, 2007

Brainwrong posted:

Ron = ~~Alive~~ soulless

What is dead may never die.

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# ? Apr 23, 2024 07:42

Human Grand Prix: Jan 24, 2013; by FactsAreUseless

Alain Post posted:

Yeah. It's funny when it gets brought up as some kind of glory year because it was a lovely-rear end season lol.

i do kinda miss how the cars looked back then though, nothing since 2009 has really looked right to me.

I liked BAR in 2004. I thought the 2009 cars were the best looking for in quite some time, or maybe it was the euphoria from getting rid of those stupid grooved tires.

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