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Mak0rz posted:Here's the comprehensive list of games that use wii controls in a not lovely way (and aren't gimmick party games like wario ware or wii sports): -Sin and Punishment
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-mario strikers charged -dbz tenkaichi 3
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Feb 17, 2015 09:46
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grapple lasso's a pain in the rear end to use during combat
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Feb 17, 2015 10:40
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Mak0rz posted:Yeah the notion of any Metroid game not requiring backtracking is hilariously naive. I can see an argument for Metroid II, but it's still pretty weak. Mandatory backtracking is kind of an essential characteristic of the entire series' (or, really, the entire "metroidvania" genre) design. 2's backtracking was on the level of "Oh you killed X Metroids a random environmental feature has deactivated now you can go further into SR388 ps we won't tell you which feature it was" it's loving terrible
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Feb 17, 2015 12:52
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The only place I don't like backtracking in Metroid Prime 1 is Phendrana's Edge. It's stupid and far away and I hate it.
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Feb 17, 2015 12:57
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Metroid Prime 1 doesn't require backtracking, except for maybe one or two artifacts. If you know where you're going the game just flows continuously
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Feb 17, 2015 13:52
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Looper posted:-Sin and Punishment Right I forgot that. Thanks Bobnumerotres posted:-mario strikers charged Never played strikers, but I remember my friend rented one of those tenkaichi games and I agree the motion controls were pretty neat Chucat posted:2's backtracking was on the level of "Oh you killed X Metroids a random environmental feature has deactivated now you can go further into SR388 ps we won't tell you which feature it was" Oh right. I was thinking more in terms of going back towards the surface rather than trying to remember which chambers on the same level had acid and spending like an hour running around to find out which one drained. Irritating as gently caress
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Feb 17, 2015 14:24
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all you do is go down. keep going down until you hit lava. there's maybe like one part where you have to backtrack up the tunnel. it's the easiest to navigate metroid game by far.
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Feb 17, 2015 14:34
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it would still have benefited from a map system of some sort though.
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Feb 17, 2015 14:35
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Y-Hat posted:i don't think they've done this, but they have said that future 3D metroid games would be in the style of the Metroid Prime games, as opposed to Other M Neither of those things are true. http://www.siliconera.com/2014/06/13/nintendo-considering-two-kinds-metroid-games/ quote:“So at this point we have two different types of Metroid games. We have the Prime style of Metroid game and we have the more traditional style of Metroid game,” Takahashi continued. “We feel that we do need to take care of both of these styles of play. And the hope is that at some point in the near future we’ll be able to share something about them.” quote:Earlier in the year, Miyamoto stated that Retro Studios, who have been working on a new project since November, are “a very high priority in terms of the potential team that would be considered for working on a Metroid game”.
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Feb 17, 2015 15:44
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It's really cool how in the tunnel that leads to the phazon mines elevator in Magmoor caverns, you can look out the window and see the impact crater. You also see the impact crater out of the elevators in phazon mines. The world is really well stitched together.
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Feb 17, 2015 16:13
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mabels big day posted:It's really cool how in the tunnel that leads to the phazon mines elevator in Magmoor caverns, you can look out the window and see the impact crater. You also see the impact crater out of the elevators in phazon mines. The world is really well stitched together.
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Feb 17, 2015 17:05
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Nice av.
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Feb 17, 2015 19:48
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YIKES Stay Gooned posted:Nice av.
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Feb 17, 2015 20:05
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Thanks, Games made it for me.
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Feb 17, 2015 20:24
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FactsAreUseless posted:Thanks, Games made it for me. *scene from family guy where brian pukes for a whole minute when he finds out he slept with a trans woman*
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Feb 17, 2015 20:43
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Mak0rz posted:That you don't notice it in Prime may be an indication of how well they masked it in that game, but I'm honestly not sure how anyone wouldn't notice it. Did you play it blindfolded, seiferguy? Try playing it while not blindfolded next time. I guess I should have clarified that statement by saying that Prime handles backtracking the best of the 3 Prime games. Prime 2 had way too much artifact hunting and Prime 3 has the planet-hopping. Playing Prime then going to Prime 2 makes it highly noticeable.
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Feb 18, 2015 03:58
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prime 2's artifacts are only marginally more annoying to collect. you just have to make a mental note that whenever you see a dead keybearer, there's going to be a key in the dark world version of that room. the worst part about them is that you can't collect a lot of them until the very end but even that's not that big of a deal imo.
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Feb 18, 2015 04:18
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AHungryRobot posted:prime 2's artifacts are only marginally more annoying to collect. you just have to make a mental note that whenever you see a dead keybearer, there's going to be a key in the dark world version of that room. the worst part about them is that you can't collect a lot of them until the very end but even that's not that big of a deal imo. It's not just that though. It's kinda littered throughout the game. Just got the spider ball in Sanctuary Fortress? Great! Now hike your rear end allll the way back to the bottom of Torvus Bog to get the Power Bomb. As soon as you get that, go straight back to Sky Fortress. Couldn't they have just stuck the power bomb somewhere in Sky Fortress?
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Feb 18, 2015 06:45
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The spider ball opens up so many item collection opportunities in the previous areas that you should be going back anyway. And once you get the power bomb there's a transport you can take from torvus that takes you right back to sanctuary.
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Feb 18, 2015 07:08
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It's just frustrating having to go back to Torvus at all, imo
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Feb 18, 2015 08:25
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seiferguy posted:It's not just that though. It's kinda littered throughout the game. Just got the spider ball in Sanctuary Fortress? Great! Now hike your rear end allll the way back to the bottom of Torvus Bog to get the Power Bomb. As soon as you get that, go straight back to Sky Fortress. i hope you and everyone else are sitting down for this, cause i'm gonna blow your mind here: metroid prime 2 has less backtracking than prime 1.
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Feb 18, 2015 08:25
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AHungryRobot posted:i hope you and everyone else are sitting down for this, cause i'm gonna blow your mind here: metroid prime 2 has less backtracking than prime 1. If that is true, then there's still this problem: Looper posted:It's just frustrating having to go back to Torvus at all, imo
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Feb 18, 2015 08:42
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Mak0rz posted:If that is true, then there's still this problem: whether you are or are not annoyed by backtracking is a whole other can of worms that we could spend pages debating. i'm just pointing out that with regards to backtracking, prime 2 isn't really uniquely awful.
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Feb 18, 2015 09:10
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YIKES Stay Gooned posted:Nice av. 
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Feb 18, 2015 14:04
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AHungryRobot posted:i hope you and everyone else are sitting down for this, cause i'm gonna blow your mind here: metroid prime 2 has less backtracking than prime 1. That's not true, don't spread lies
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Feb 18, 2015 14:15
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This Metroid game that makes you visit the same temple every time you beat a main boss so you can sit through a cutscene has LESS backtracking than the flawlessly design Metroid game that has an optimal path. Logic'd.
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Feb 18, 2015 14:16
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Everybody complains about Chozo ghosts, but I was more annoyed by the room where you get power bombs with the four Ice Pirates. I killed those Ice Pirates a lot.
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Feb 18, 2015 14:23
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YIKES Stay Gooned posted:This Metroid game that makes you visit the same temple every time you beat a main boss so you can sit through a cutscene has LESS backtracking than the flawlessly design Metroid game that has an optimal path. Logic'd. The main temple is the hub that always immediately leads to the next area. I really don't get this complaint at all.
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Feb 18, 2015 15:41
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And I don't think you're actually required to return to the light room at all until it's time to get the concept car suit which was awesome btw because it gave you a power you really goddamn need in echoes: fast travel
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Feb 18, 2015 15:59
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where am I supposed to go after I get the dark suit and re-energize whatever that stupid thing was
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Feb 18, 2015 16:24
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Back to the Great Temple, there's a new door you can open that leads to Torvus Bog.
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Feb 18, 2015 16:29
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Mak0rz posted:And I don't think you're actually required to return to the light room at all until it's time to get the concept car suit you kind of are unless you know the skips, the paths from that main hub are the only paths you're supposed to be able to take with your suit upgrades.
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Feb 18, 2015 19:39
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you ahve to acquire Google Translate, Bing Translate, and Babelfish to continue with the game and luminoth ghost buddies have 'em
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Feb 18, 2015 19:40
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but as others said, that's not ~really~ backtracking since you're just going back to the main hub to go to the other part of the world. but the story poo poo is really loving annoying. mothula says some poo poo i skip every time "hey samus thanks but the ing are like REALLY evil" ughhh. mp3 was the worst but it was already pretty evident in MP2 that the devs didn't understand a minimalist story in metroid was good
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Feb 18, 2015 19:44
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Bobnumerotres posted:you kind of are unless you know the skips, the paths from that main hub are the only paths you're supposed to be able to take with your suit upgrades. yes, but you don't have to go up the elevator to the room with the luminoth
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Feb 18, 2015 19:47
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Bobnumerotres posted:but as others said, that's not ~really~ backtracking since you're just going back to the main hub to go to the other part of the world. but the story poo poo is really loving annoying. mothula says some poo poo i skip every time "hey samus thanks but the ing are like REALLY evil" ughhh. I didn't think the story was too invasive in MP2. Granted, both Prime 1 and 2 do a pretty good job of letting you choose how much the story you want to get involved in, since you can read lores at your own leisure.
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Feb 18, 2015 20:56
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Evil Eagle posted:Back to the Great Temple, there's a new door you can open that leads to Torvus Bog. Mak0rz posted:yes, but you don't have to go up the elevator to the room with the luminoth I WENT THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE AND FOUND A DOOR BLOCKED BY A PSYCHIC SHIELD SO I WANDERED AROUND THE WHOLE WORLD TO FIND WHERE TO loving GO. gently caress YOU MOTH MAN PIECE OF poo poo
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Feb 18, 2015 21:28
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Ralp posted:I WENT THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE AND FOUND A DOOR BLOCKED BY A PSYCHIC SHIELD SO I WANDERED AROUND THE WHOLE WORLD TO FIND WHERE TO loving GO. gently caress YOU MOTH MAN PIECE OF poo poo Yeah I'm pretty sure you have to talk to U-Mos and skip his cutscene.
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Ralp posted:I WENT THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE AND FOUND A DOOR BLOCKED BY A PSYCHIC SHIELD SO I WANDERED AROUND THE WHOLE WORLD TO FIND WHERE TO loving GO. gently caress YOU MOTH MAN PIECE OF poo poo if you scan the shield it literally tells you to go talk to mothman before you can proceed which is loving stupid as hell
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