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Small Keating posted:As for Mills' posts: a lot of anti-Anidav sentiment early, a couple of unofficial votes for FS and Coq that I have to assume Mills knew were not going to be counted by vote finder and may have been designed to draw out posters quick to jump on the bandwagon. Later in the evening, there was some argy-bargy with Gwyn over newbie posting and a joke about Gwyn flipping scum later, and finally there was a big push for Coq that didn't pan out. Mills posted:I think lynching Anidav will be a mistake. Mills posted:I see a lot of declared votes for Anidav. Is there any point in me arguing for Coq still? Will anyone change their mind? Or can I go have a pot noodle and a wank. Mills posted:Just because I like the case on Coq and don't like the case on Anidav, doesn't mean I'm aligned with him. Just because Coq is the other main contender, doesn't mean he has to be scum if Anidav flips town. Mills posted:Look I'm not ROCK HARD convinced that Anidav is town or that Coq is scum but I think the Coq case has merit and I think Anidav very clearly just looks like his usual retarded annoying self (which is NOT an indication of alignment). Mills posted:Coq has jumped around flinging poo poo trying to get stuff to stick. He's gone out of his way to quote me out of context to try and discredit me. And he's supposedly at a romantic dinner but he can't get off his phone because he cares too much. That sounds like scum to me.
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Morning all, Gaspy you are a cruel man, I was so happy to see Starscream go down and then you revealed he was town. Well played Can we cool it with the power role reveals? Milky you revealed and you were asking for someone else to reveal whether they have the power to muck up your night action. SKY COQ posted:At the risk of further muddying the waters, I'd rather not say anything until I have something to report. The information I discovered is already public. Lol - how convenient As for Mills, I think the scum decided that he was too dangerous to keep around. I will have to look at Mith though. But are we sure it was a second scum kill? Did someone Bus Mith and Tirade? Going to have a look through Miths posts now.
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Feb 18, 2015 01:53
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Just went through Mith's posts and they were fairly helpful and few were white noise. While she flipped between Anidav to Coq, she made it clear that she wanted to get a D1 lynch. I don't believe she would have been a target for a town vigilante. So she was either killed by scum or she was bussed and killed accidentally by a vigilante. Just to clarify my post above. I don't think if Coq was scum that he would get Mills killed as it would be too obvious and Coq is usually quite smart. The only one that Mills was targeting that may have panicked may have been Gwyn, and that would only have been the case if all the scum were noobies and I think that is fairly unlikely considering he amount of veterans playing. This is why I think scum probably just killed Mills as they were worried he would start picking them out the further we went on.
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Feb 18, 2015 02:15
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So I've done a bit of homework on Bifauxnen. Bif made this post encouraging Coq and Anidav to elaborate on their roleclaims: Bifauxnen posted:I would be happy with getting a lynching on a lurker instead of either Coq or Anidav. I think they both deserve the attention they're getting, but that'll just leave us some more business to get to on D2. Are enough people around to switch your votes in under minutes, though? I guess it'll have to be the other way around - see who's still lurking by D2. Mills posted:na, dont do this Matthew Beet posted:My suss detector is going off the loving charts Small Keating posted:Going back over Mith's posts: Bif and TOML copped a bit of heat, as did Beet briefly, and more generally there were a few DATA posts in there regarding post counts from the silent players. There was also suspicion about Tirade and Coq voting in a bloc to silence Beet. Bif's posting this game is really ***helpful*** and overall just smells a bit like her posting last game. Not voting yet, got 8.5 hours left. Does anyone else have thoughts on this?
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Feb 18, 2015 02:33
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I should point out that when I say her posting smells like her posting from last game, in the last game she was scum.
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Feb 18, 2015 02:34
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She also didn't do her usual tactic of throwing out a billion votes on day 1 to stir things up, though she claims it was because she was busy at work.
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Feb 18, 2015 02:36
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Tirade posted:You'll need to spell it out, mafia expert. If I had to guess on the no-result from Milky's supposed night action, it would be that Tirade was voting Matthew Beet last night /\. Maybe someone thought Beet was scum and was going to target Tirade. That person protects Tirade creating the no result.
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Feb 18, 2015 02:41
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Tirade posted:Quiet players - hiddenmovement, gwynplaine, dj-bbq - speak up. What are your thoughts about yesterday? Who are you suss on? I think given how worthless my insight proved, I'm much better off just watching a little longer.
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Feb 18, 2015 02:48
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I'm not going to actually OMGUS vote for you cause unlike those two, I'm not nearly as fussed about being wrongfully lynched. But I think your saying my posting smells like last game couldn't be more wrong if you tried. I'm experimenting with a very different approach so far, on top of the work thing. So if anything gets rolling on me, after I flip town I'd like you all to look at how TOML was wringing his hands so much about Anidav vs Coq, and getting that switch right around the 3 minute mark, coming in after hammer. I was thinking about yesterday, and how with an easy lynch target on Anidav, scum would not have to stick their necks out yesterday. But once the Anidav lynch was well established, scum may have been looking to get some points for being careful and cautious, or wanting to distance themselves from being bandwaggoners. Freudian Slip also deserves some more careful looking into, since Mills made a brief case on him before chasing the SKY COQ scent. Scum might be hoping that it now gets dropped. He got in his Anidav vote early, then never bothered making more noise about anything or weighing in on the alternative last night, waiting to check in until today once it's all over.
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Feb 18, 2015 02:48
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Gwynplaine posted:I think given how worthless my insight proved, I'm much better off just watching a little longer. Aw, no don't be put off by people being jerks, get involved 
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Feb 18, 2015 02:50
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black_tangled posted:Aw, no don't be put off by people being jerks, get involved It's not being a jerk if someones absolutely right. I'll be involved, but I need to be less eager.
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Feb 18, 2015 02:53
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Bifauxnen posted:I'm not going to actually OMGUS vote for you cause unlike those two, I'm not nearly as fussed about being wrongfully lynched. But I think your saying my posting smells like last game couldn't be more wrong if you tried. I'm experimenting with a very different approach so far, on top of the work thing.
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Feb 18, 2015 02:53
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Gwynplaine posted:It's not being a jerk if someones absolutely right. I'll be involved, but I need to be less eager. Nah you totally don't. Speaking up and being wrong is fine, so long as you can justify your actions. Keeping quiet, particularly from d2 onward, is a really scum play - it stops people being able to catch you in a lie or a slip-up. Put your thoughts out there, post who you're suss on.
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Feb 18, 2015 02:56
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Also rule #1 of mafia, beyond any tips about how to be a good townie etc, is don't take mafia seriously or personally. Which, incidentally, anidav clearly hasn't learned yet.
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Feb 18, 2015 02:58
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Unfortunatley for you all, you no longer have scumbif with full knowledge attempting to correct any of your obvious mistakes in an attempt to prove my undying towniness. You're stuck with regular ol' townbif, who has imperfect information, so my attempts to be helpful may be more flawed.
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Feb 18, 2015 03:02
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Part of the problem is that even when I suspect something, I can't find the words to explain it. Something neglected to mention is that my suspicion of MIlls was based on the idea that his actions were some sort of elaborate triple bluff.
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Feb 18, 2015 03:04
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Gwynplaine posted:Part of the problem is that even when I suspect something, I can't find the words to explain it. Something neglected to mention is that my suspicion of MIlls was based on the idea that his actions were some sort of elaborate triple bluff. I honestly think Mills is too lazy to bother with that poo poo
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Feb 18, 2015 03:07
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Tirade posted:Also rule #1 of mafia, beyond any tips about how to be a good townie etc, is don't take mafia seriously or personally. Which, incidentally, anidav clearly hasn't learned yet. I take it personally when the sidewalk has the unmitigated gall to trip me up. Games like this are helping immensely with that.
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Feb 18, 2015 03:08
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Bifauxnen- Seems to be trying to post helpfully, TOML is suspicious. Just posted a bit of a look how town I am post :/ dj-bbq- Unknown, new player. 4 posts so far, just chat. Freudian Slip - Contributing to discussion. Gwynplaine - New player, was harshly put down by Mills. Probably killed Mills for revenge. (jokes) hiddenmovement - Hammered anidav at the last minute. Kat Delacour - Unknown, other seem happy to have her playing again. Matthew Beet - This guy kills me, can't get a read. Drove the vote on SkyCOQ so interested to see how that plays out. Milky Moor - Tried to run a play on Tirade with no result. Despite poor form role claiming so early, I think he is town. Consistent play from last match so far. MysticalMachineGun - got nothing on this player. Old Dirty Cumburgs - Doesn't know what beetroot is. Was on the skycoq train yesterday. SKY COQ - Definitely sus plays yesterday. Now role claiming saying he gathered information. Small Keating - Mini effort post today, a bit out of character. Splode - Shimmying things along, low content high volume. Those On My Left - Good effort posting. Personally I think going after Mills as SkyCOQ is a bit obvious. Tirade - Milky presumably thought he was scum and tried to kill him. I think someone else thought he would be targeted. I think that play would be a bit obvious as well. whats for dinner - I thought he made a good post on voting anidav. He is now pushing for coq and maybe tirade if I am reading that right. Bold ones are best suspects IMO mostly due to not knowing more about them.
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Feb 18, 2015 03:17
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Here's my take on yesterday. Up until the end I was not convinced that either anidav or coq were scum, and I'm still not too suss on coq. The buildup was way too fast on anidav, and then the votes switched way too easily to coq. It's hard to avoid throwing a scum under the bus on d1 if there's no other alternative (rip me last game). But Anidav's massive flameout, yet again, meant that it would have been easy enough holding a vote on him on the grounds of him being a poo poo townie. Instead we saw coq get brought from nowhere right up to one or two votes from being hammered in what, half an hour? Unless we had almost all town convinced that coq was the better vote, it means at least some scum flipped off anidav the townie to coq the scum, which is incredibly risky when lynching Anidav was easy enough to do. My guess is that half an hour from hammer, scum couldn't have believed their luck. It was lynch anidav, lynch coq, or lynch no-one and have the same shitfight over again on d2. The only thing that throws this theory into doubt is the quiet people piling on to anidav at the end, which is why I've asked them to get more vocal.
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I agree that Mills was killed because he posted like he was very very certain of coqs scumminess and he was drat pursuasive too. Coq has come in with "I know something you don't know ner ner I've got a secret" as his only defence so far.
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Kat Delacour posted:I agree that Mills was killed because he posted like he was very very certain of coqs scumminess and he was drat pursuasive too. Coq has come in with "I know something you don't know ner ner I've got a secret" as his only defence so far. I think you will find that Coq has made a not too subtle role claim for a certain role. I did think it was convenient that he investigated one of the dead overnight. I assume he chose Mills as that is who I would have. Unless someone else has the same role I am happy to keep him around for today. If you do have the same role - please don't reveal until tomorrow unless you can nail another scum (apart from Coq)
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Feb 18, 2015 03:37
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My above post assumes that we didn't get two trackers or watchers.
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Feb 18, 2015 03:38
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Freudian Slip posted:My above post assumes that we didn't get two trackers or watchers. The fact that two out of three townies had roles, and there has been two more claims on d2, makes me think this game has a high proportion of roles.
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Tirade posted:The buildup was way too fast on anidav, and then the votes switched way too easily to coq. It's hard to avoid throwing a scum under the bus on d1 if there's no other alternative (rip me last game). But Anidav's massive flameout, yet again, meant that it would have been easy enough holding a vote on him on the grounds of him being a poo poo townie. Instead we saw coq get brought from nowhere right up to one or two votes from being hammered in what, half an hour? Unless we had almost all town convinced that coq was the better vote, it means at least some scum flipped off anidav the townie to coq the scum, which is incredibly risky when lynching Anidav was easy enough to do. I am also getting concerned about this, especially in light of FS checking in to say: Freudian Slip posted:I think you will find that Coq has made a not too subtle role claim for a certain role. I did think it was convenient that he investigated one of the dead overnight. I assume he chose Mills as that is who I would have. Unless someone else has the same role I am happy to keep him around for today. this could be translated as: We know he's town, and don't care about him investigating anything tonight, cause he won't see the next morning now that we suspect what he is. Might as well stick up for him now, to get some Helpful Townie Points after the flip.
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Feb 18, 2015 03:47
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So for the people better at this game than me, was the flavour text Saw Too Much and Watcher flip just Gaspy being cute or can someone watching die as blowback from certain other roles? Because working out who Mith was suss on that hasn't flipped could ID a scumrole.
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Feb 18, 2015 03:49
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Kat Delacour posted:So for the people better at this game than me, was the flavour text Saw Too Much and Watcher flip just Gaspy being cute or can someone watching die as blowback from certain other roles? Because working out who Mith was suss on that hasn't flipped could ID a scumrole. It did make me worry about this: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Paranoid_Gun_Owner
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Yikes. We're off to a bad start. black_tangled posted:Old Dirty Cumburgs - Doesn't know what beetroot is. Was on the skycoq train yesterday. I know what it is, I've just never eaten it due to lack of opportunity. And my thoughts on Skycoq remain largely unchanged. Sky talked up his abilities yesterday, tried to run out the clock on the hammer when it seemed he was in danger, and continually pushed a "You'll be Sorry" defense. All of this smells to me like a rat cornered. However, when today rolls around: SKY COQ posted:At the risk of further muddying the waters, I'd rather not say anything until I have something to report. The information I discovered is already public. I don't think that a wise townie would role-call so heavily, without the knowledge that they were safe from the scum. Call it intuition, but I do not trust Sky Coq.
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black_tangled posted:MysticalMachineGun - got nothing on this player.  Nobody does Old Dirty Cumburgs posted:Call it intuition, but I do not trust Sky Coq. I agree with this. Coq, if what you were going to say is public knowledge, say it anyway.
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Those On My Left posted:It did make me worry about this: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Paranoid_Gun_Owner Yeah, that's a much better theory than mine. I completely forgot about the paranoid gun owner. Bifauxnen posted:I am also getting concerned about this, especially in light of FS checking in to say: Lol - so your theory is I am trying dissuade people from lynching Coq early in the piece so that scum can kill him tonight. Why wouldn't I just let the train build and near the end drat him with faint praise? That would save scum having to kill him at night and they can chose another townie instead. I am trying to make sure that we don't lynch him because he has made I believe an important role claim. Lets not help scum by killing him today. Coq could still be scum, but he has painted a huge target on his chest with his role claim that if false will make him an easy target down the track. If he is not who is claiming he is, the true character can let us know tomorrow so as not to endanger themselves tonight (which maybe Coqs play if he really is scum since he knows that he is high on people's suss list)
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MysticalMachineGun posted:
The only faction that would benefit would be scum at this point. Just home from work. From recent posts, I'm massively Suss on FS thanks to Bif's effort post, and fairly strong on scumbags for jumping back on me so quickly, when clearer heads have largely prevailed.
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Feb 18, 2015 04:21
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I should mention well in advance: I'm working a night job, but its going to be a short shift with either no break or assuming there is one, I'm probably going to have to work through it. If we have any revelations in the last hour or so before hammertime, I probably wont be able to act upon them and will have to vote early.
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hmm, is Coq getting all buddy-buddy now that I'm wavering and choosing a different target than him, and just boosting up my still pretty half-baked theory? Or is he right to support it, cause I'm actually onto something and FS doesn't like it? I wonder
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gently caress Meetings. Okay I'm reading through, I just wanted to comment on a few things first: Those On My Left posted:So I've done a bit of homework on Bifauxnen. Um not sure. Bifs response to the role claim was that she thought she could pull a King Solomon without them revealing the roles. I took the original post as trying to work out who thought who had a more powerful role. I don't think you can resolve that without some very obvious role revealing so wondered why the gently caress she bothered to ask it? I don't think it was deliberate but her trying to gain more info about the roles was quite funny considering she started the day with : Bifauxnen posted:Good morning, guys. I unfortunately had some real work to do for once! However, I have been thinking about who would actually be a decent choice for a D1 turbolynch. No smoking gun poo poo, just a bit off. I'm interested in following up what some of miths things were yesterday. This doesn't mean people on this list offed her or not (she did name 11 people all up yesterday) but it was a relatively well thought out list, she was actively scum hunting and now we've confirmed that she was town. She said Mithranderp posted:DJ-BBQ has three posts, no votes, no contributions. and I went on to point out three people, milky's comeback was fair (literally 'it's d1 you nub'), MMG was another (more active today) but hidden movement was also one. He voted mills without even having access to his PM's not a huge crime, but also has been very low on content. He came in last night and hammered Anidav with no reasoning, and hasn't followed up today to explain why when there was a last minute shift on coq. His only post since lat night has been : hiddenmovement posted:But if someone on town had a night kill, why let coq live long enough to use a night ability? Wouldnt you just take him out asap if you were sure he was scum? Which is literally just repeating what coq said five posts earlier: SKY COQ posted:Also worth noting: if there was a townie with a nightkill, I'd almost certainly be dead.
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Feb 18, 2015 04:42
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Gwynplaine posted:I think given how worthless my insight proved, I'm much better off just watching a little longer. 
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Hi I have an ok ability but no idea how to use it effectively. I'm like a toddler with a handgun in that I'll probably just wind up shooting myself. I think Coq is probably guilty of something on the grounds he talks way too much when it isn't necessary for him to do so. Anidav had a reason to get defensive (he's captain insecure and everyone dogpiled him). Coq just got all chatty. I hammered Anidav at the last minute yesterday because someone said it needed 11 votes and he was sitting there with 10 with 1 minute to go so I thought it would be kinda funny. Everyone else is either playing a good double bluff and I can't see the clues, or they aren't posting at all so there's no real info for me to go on.
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Feb 18, 2015 04:48
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hiddenmovement posted:Hi This is a very very bad excuse. Where's the joke? It really looks like you just went in to defend Coq now, though I have to give you credit for not just stealing whats for dinner's excuse.
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Freudian Slip posted:
Yeah bif that really doesn't make sense at all. It's a huge leap of logic. Why wouldn't scum just let us lynch him today and let them target someone else tonight?!?
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Feb 18, 2015 04:53
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hiddenmovement posted:
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