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I'm out for dinner for the next couple hours, getting a vote in now in case I can't later. I had a read through What's For Dinner and although there is nothing amazing standing out to me, it seems he's our best bet for a lynch today, and I think coq is being genuine about his role. ##vote whats for dinner
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Feb 18, 2015 07:54
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Milky Moor posted:Tirade was not bused. Yeah, that's what I figured. The bussing idea was just spit balling theories how the information we had could fit together. I much prefer TOML's theory now of a paranoid gun owner. Is there anything that would disprove that theory?
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Feb 18, 2015 07:56
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dj-bbq posted:I still haven't figured out the Well, I'm the only person whose vocalised any real suspicion. So it's not like you're going to be lynched. Even with that in mind, if I get nightkilled that will hardly implicate you either as no one would think someone would be foolish enough to nightkill their only detractor. Which as actually quite comforting, as that puts absolutely no value in me being killed. Between my wild theories and inexperience I'm probably more good to them alive. Honestly, I'm worried for bif and fs. I hope coq survives another night honestly. See where that goes. I have a sinking feeling I have out done myself in terms of stupid posts.
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Feb 18, 2015 07:56
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Votecount for Day 2  whats for dinner (3): Those On My Left, Splode, black_tangled SKY COQ (1): Small Keating Tirade (1): Milky Moor Not Voting (12): Bifauxnen, dj-bbq, Freudian Slip, Gwynplaine, hiddenmovement, Kat Delacour, Matthew Beet, MysticalMachineGun, Old Dirty Cumburgs, SKY COQ, Tirade, whats for dinnerWith 17 alive, it's 9 votes to lynch. The current deadline is February 18th, 2015 at 9 p.m. EST -- that's in about 2 hours, 56 minutes.
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Feb 18, 2015 08:03
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I've got a bit of a bad feeling about this whats for dinner case, (unless he shows up soon to start scumming up the joint in defense), but it might be worth chasing if we got nothing else. If he did flip scum, that'd at least clear that nagging voice out of my head about why TOML and b_t are both sold on it. But if he flipped town, oh darn! We just didn't know any better ideas! Sorry guys! I'd really like to hear some more ideas on who the other options could be. Get some more people in here scumhunting.
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Feb 18, 2015 08:04
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Barbecue's behind it all!
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Feb 18, 2015 08:09
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In trying to understand Milky's absolute certainly that it wasn't a misplaced townie action I have probably confused myself, or may just end up confusing the game here. The only possible reason I can come up with for his certainty is that the GM response included both the target name and "action failed" outcome, because if I understand the role correctly being bussed would return an outcome for someone else. That Tirade himself responded to basically say "I get it, don't target me dumbass" either means Milky & Tirade are a team putting on a big show, or Tirade has an innately deflective role. Gaspy being gaspy, my money is on townies and natural deflection. Coq is definitely a deadman walking but he's also a bellweather death. That is, in death his card flip reveals more about the other players than anything he could get done with his power now he's roleclaimed. Moreover, as an alive unknown he just throws a lot of confusion into the mix - is he alive because he is scum or is he alive to make us think he's scum. You big dummy. However, I also don't want to start voting on it because I wanna hear other people's feels on this and I know a Coq train could build up momentum quickly. I don't know what to think bout Bif and FS. Gwyn calling to lynch people effectively at random is really stupid newbie stuff or a scum windsock. Either way I don't think it's helping.
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Feb 18, 2015 08:11
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Oh yeah, thanks for the reminder Bif, I think Whats For Dinner came out of nowhere and am especially concerned that the people doing the voting are all building excuses to not have to stick around and defend their choices.
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Feb 18, 2015 08:12
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Kat Delacour posted:In trying to understand Milky's absolute certainly that it wasn't a misplaced townie action I have probably confused myself, or may just end up confusing the game here. The only possible reason I can come up with for his certainty is that the GM response included both the target name and "action failed" outcome, because if I understand the role correctly being bussed would return an outcome for someone else. That Tirade himself responded to basically say "I get it, don't target me dumbass" either means Milky & Tirade are a team putting on a big show, or Tirade has an innately deflective role. Gaspy being gaspy, my money is on townies and natural deflection. I am the Eden-Monaro of nightkills. Not convinced on Whats for Dinner yet, but will chime in towards 9 if we need a hammer etc. Agree on not lynching low content posters, though it will become a more attractive strategy as the game wears on. I tend to believe that the Milky/Tirade exchange is absolutely innocent, but I'm not sure which intersection of roles could have provoked such a strong reaction from Milky.
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Feb 18, 2015 08:26
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Freudian Slip posted:Yeah, that's what I figured. The bussing idea was just spit balling theories how the information we had could fit together. It's a very rare and powerful role for the town. I think we have two scum teams.
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Feb 18, 2015 08:31
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Or combaticons, even.
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Feb 18, 2015 08:43
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I really don't quite understand the "what's for dinner" argument, because it seems to hinge on the fact that he's suss on Coq (I argue, for good reason) and because he has a low postcount (which could be for any reason). It seems like a band-wagon vote, and it's not enough for me. That said, I feel like bifs makes a good point about FS, mostly because he got so defensive after Bif's post. Freudian Slip posted:We seem to be going around in circles Bif. Freudian Slip posted:a poo poo tonne of people have him as their prime suspect. A lot of what FS seems to be saying is contradictory. He's claiming that he's anti-Coq lynch, but the second suspicion falls on him, he makes it a point to highlight (twice!) that Coq is the town's prime suspect. This smacks so strongly of deflection. Which is it, FS? Are you Anti-coq lynch or pro? If it's the former, why are you so keen to remind everyone that he's been the town's prime suspect? If you're for it, then saying you're against it is a pretty poor defense! Honestly, I'm not buying what you're selling. ##vote Freudian Slip
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Feb 18, 2015 08:44
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Reminding people that coq was the towns prime suspect when the town has an unusually high newbie count might actually be a pro-coq point.
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Feb 18, 2015 08:48
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Gwynplaine posted:Reminding people that coq was the towns prime suspect when the town has an unusually high newbie count might actually be a pro-coq point. I am very pro-Coq
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Feb 18, 2015 09:03
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If it gets to 8pm without any further feedback or suggestions I'm voting for Coq for the reasons outlined above. This encroaching curfew and lack of posting is very frustrating.
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Feb 18, 2015 09:07
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I'll have to vote shortly due to gym such. ##unvote
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Votecount for Day 2 whats for dinner (3): Those On My Left, Splode, black_tangled SKY COQ (1): Small Keating Freudian Slip (1): Old Dirty Cumburgs Tirade (0): Milky Moor, Not Voting (12): Bifauxnen, dj-bbq, Freudian Slip, Gwynplaine, hiddenmovement, Kat Delacour, Matthew Beet, Milky Moor, MysticalMachineGun, SKY COQ, Tirade, whats for dinner With 17 alive, it's 9 votes to lynch. The current deadline is February 18th, 2015 at 9 p.m. EST -- that's in about 1 hour, 51 minutes.
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Feb 18, 2015 09:08
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I've been convinced by others excellent in depth posting: ##vote Freudian Slip
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Feb 18, 2015 09:09
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Yeah, for now, I'm going this way. May change my vote if I'm back in time and there's some better ideas. ##vote Freudian Slip
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Feb 18, 2015 09:10
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well that's annoying, I got home after thinking on the drive over that I'm tired of this info paralysis with trying to read into everything way too elaborately, and that I might try and stew on the FS thing a while longer. Just trusting that I've made enough of a stink for now that if there's anything worthwhile in there, it'll probably come to light more clearly a bit later. Seeing that some others have voted along with it without any more significant comment is just making me nervous. So if you guys are just going to follow me around for now instead of posting more scumhuting, I'm just go on that bad feeling I had instead. I don't like how b_t said what's for dinner is the "best bet" out of a big field of nothing. ##vote black_tangled TOML is giving me a similar feeling for what it's worth.
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Feb 18, 2015 09:15
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While I agree that speculation and scumhunting are valuable, nothing gets the posts flying like some votes. I voted for FS based on some good posts by others and my own suspicions - let's see what that brings out.
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Feb 18, 2015 09:22
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Bifauxnen posted:well that's annoying, I got home after thinking on the drive over that I'm tired of this info paralysis with trying to read into everything way too elaborately, and that I might try and stew on the FS thing a while longer. Just trusting that I've made enough of a stink for now that if there's anything worthwhile in there, it'll probably come to light more clearly a bit later. Seeing that some others have voted along with it without any more significant comment is just making me nervous. There is a weak case for whats for dinner, it's not entirely random. Suddenly charging in with the hammer is always suspicious, and while his justification was ok, it's been pretty much his only post all day. I guess now that I think about it, it's only suspicious if Coq is scum, and if Coq is scum then it makes more sense to vote for him ##unvote
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Feb 18, 2015 09:26
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MysticalMachineGun posted:While I agree that speculation and scumhunting are valuable, nothing gets the posts flying like some votes. I voted for FS based on some good posts by others and my own suspicions - let's see what that brings out. Yes, there is that. I think my experiment is just going push me right back towards flinging votes all around the place early on. I was worried I just made a lot of noise that turned out to be ultimately meaningless, but this alternative has been misery in comparison
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MysticalMachineGun posted:While I agree that speculation and scumhunting are valuable, nothing gets the posts flying like some votes. I voted for FS based on some good posts by others and my own suspicions - let's see what that brings out. Agreed, and I'm at the pub so making sure I vote in case I don't get back in time. ##vote Freudian Slip
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Feb 18, 2015 09:29
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MysticalMachineGun posted:While I agree that speculation and scumhunting are valuable, nothing gets the posts flying like some votes. I voted for FS based on some good posts by others and my own suspicions - let's see what that brings out. dj-bbq posted:Agreed, and I'm at the pub so making sure I vote in case I don't get back in time. I think there's a big difference between throwing around votes to provoke a reaction and forming a bandwagon based off one posters shaky, speculative case.
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Feb 18, 2015 09:35
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so far dj-bbq has responded today immediately when somebody said he was quiet thrown shade at the most obviously new player I've ever seen (seriously hiddenmovement, didn't you go have a look at earlier games before this one? It helps you pick it up much faster) And then jumped on a shakier bandwagon than both the wagons yesterday. ##vote dj-bbq
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Feb 18, 2015 09:37
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Alright, I'm back. I'm going to read over these votes for FS. ##unvote
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Feb 18, 2015 09:45
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I've got he an effort post assembled on my computer but had to leave it for the moment while I put the kids to bed. It was me basically looking firstly at both Bif and FS, then I had started on hiddenmovement and WFD and was also looking at MMG. Going off memory for the moment, out of bif and FS it was a weird back and forth. Bif has made a couple of assumptions that were poor, one which I called her on one (scrounging for evidence to fit the theory). Overall nothing stands out beyond those two examples. FS posts are kind of a non event. Nothing terrible stands out except for wanting to latch onto what I thought was an off hand comment by toml that is a more complicated explanation for last night (and the milky and Tirade exchange) when there are more simple explanations that you'd assume first. Also Both FS and Bif have suspected coq and tried fleshing it out and have also come to (from memory) different conclusions. Gonna go look at MMG because I can't remember what I was thinking.
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Old Dirty Cumburgs posted:That said, I feel like bifs makes a good point about FS, mostly because he got so defensive after Bif's post. Here's a hint for new players. There is a question mark at the bottom left of each poster. If you click it - it filters the thread down to just those posters posts. ODC, if you had clicked this you could have read the posts Bif was talking about and I wouldn't have to block post them! Freudian Slip posted:Lol - so your theory is I am trying dissuade people from lynching Coq early in the piece so that scum can kill him tonight. Why wouldn't I just let the train build and near the end drat him with faint praise? That would save scum having to kill him at night and they can chose another townie instead. Freudian Slip posted:People may not yet be voting for Coq - but he is currently on the top of a lot of people's poo poo list. If Coq is town and I was town I would be wanting to encourage these thoughts - not discourage. Evidence of people stating today that they think Coq is suss Freudian Slip posted:If you look at my earlier posts about Coq you will see that he has made a fairly specific claim. Now if you guys read those set of posts and still feel that I am somehow both in favour and against a lynch on Coq today. I don't know what to say. I do find it interesting that some of the quietest players have also come out to bandwagon this post. I also find it interesting that ODC is voting based on Bifs posting and MMG and DJ BBQ are voting on ODC's post. Yet Bif isn't voting for me. In any case for any sane town out there, lets not vote for Coq today, he is a dead man walking whether he is scum or more likely town. Lets not do the scum's job for them.
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yeah, the sudden rush onto FS from more quiet posters (Milky included) when my looking into him is still just so convoluted felt kind of lazy and unnerving to me. I had a stronger gut suspicion for b_t and TOML after they seemed to move together on WFD, but the fact that dj-bbq has now also joined on the FS wagon after my objection (and suggested he's not going to be around to change it) just gives me even more of a bad feeling that I might be going down a dead end here. He's not contributing anything original, but that popping up earlier when he was mentioned suggests it's not from a lack of watching what's going on. Maybe I'll vote with you Splode, for - black_tangled posted:Alright, I'm back. I'm going to read over these votes for FS. Maybe you should try stating what your own picks have been during the day instead, or explaining the WFD case better if that's really your favorite one. I suppose I'll leave my vote where it is.
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Bifauxnen posted:I've got a bit of a bad feeling about this whats for dinner case, (unless he shows up soon to start scumming up the joint in defense), but it might be worth chasing if we got nothing else. If he did flip scum, that'd at least clear that nagging voice out of my head about why TOML and b_t are both sold on it. I'm not 100% sold on it, but I'm not 100% sold on anyone. That doesn't matter. In Mafia, town's main tool is the lynch. Always lynch. Always be voting. As I don't really buy the vote on Coq, it's my responsibility to put forward an alternative. I've done the best I can - I tried to feel out some other suspicions (including a suspicion of you, Bif) and wound up on WFD. I see a bit of a train has happened on FS. I'm going to eat some dinner now (turned out my dinner/drinks engagement was just for drinks, and so I have a bit more spare time on my hands than I expected). Once I'm back I'll read the case on FS and see if I want to switch.
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MysticalMachineGun posted:While I agree that speculation and scumhunting are valuable, nothing gets the posts flying like some votes. I voted for FS based on some good posts by others and my own suspicions - let's see what that brings out. Can you expand on this a bit?
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Feb 18, 2015 09:51
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MysticalMachineGun posted:I've been convinced by others excellent in depth posting: I too would love you to point out these "excellent in depth" posts 
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Hahahaha, TOML and b_t I will save you both some time and tell you that my FS case was crafted from reading (perhaps too much) into Mills having that one suspicion, and just getting myself all worked up into info paralysis. Maybe there is something there, but it's too shaky for now that by the time I got home, I thought it wasn't worth moving on yet after all, just putting my thought process out there in case future info suggests it's not totally bonkers. If you guys think there's some merit in it, then someone in that whole group better come up with a better explanation than what I've already given, and fast, cause I am no longer sold on it at all.
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Yeah, my play thus far has been quite scummy, I've got no defense. It just hasn't been a good couple of days to sit down and play mafia. I admit that I'm focusing pretty hard on Coq because of the role stuff, but Mills was also suss on him early in the piece. I don't know if the scum nightkill was to try and put more shade on Coq or just a case of wanting to get to him before he got too persuasive. The other reason I'm leaning toward voting for Coq is because Mills and Bif were both leaning pretty hard on him and they drew some connections that I didn't. I'm still no good with the whiteboard and red string but I'm trying!
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Bifauxnen posted:just gives me even more of a bad feeling that I might be going down a dead end here. I don't think FS is suss enough for a vote honestly. If I had to choose out of either of you I'd vote you first, to be honest. That said, the speed at which this vote has grown is interesting and FS getting lynched would be an interesting test on flip to see who voted for him and how quickly they did so.
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The thing is Mills is like a flasher in the park on D1. He flashes people with a vote for them to see how they react and can read more into it. I was already away for the night so I didn't get a chance to react. It's a great way for someone who knows how to read people to throw people off their game when there is only white noise about.
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