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For the record Beet, do you in fact still think TOML is town, and why?Milky Moor posted:I don't think TOML would blow his cover like this protecting a vanilla scum who doesn't really contribute anything. If you're town then I'm going to be pretty suspicious of TOML. Now see that is a decent argument. I feel conflicted about it though, since you guys could just lynch him tomorrow anyway. Revealing what is actually up with TOML could shed a lot more light on tomorrow.
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So, Bif, if you're town and you think TOML is scum, why shouldn't we force a draw to kill TOML (the possible scum), you (to activate your power), and use that power to kill DJ?
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Feb 19, 2015 10:27
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Actually that sounds awesome, Milky! Let's do it.
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Feb 19, 2015 10:27
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More importantly, do you think there is a risk of the scum forcing a draw to kill two town players if this is a worst case scenario?
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Feb 19, 2015 10:28
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Asphyxious posted:Both die. well there goes my plan b, which was if both lived on a tie we could push for us to vote a tie so that neither died if we thought that was the best way to save toml and then bif can't use her totally town lynch bomb.
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Feb 19, 2015 10:28
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Like, if this all goes pear-shaped, we might very well be down three town players before this night phase even begins.
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Feb 19, 2015 10:28
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If you guys actualy like the plan, how's this sound for an easy way to enforce the tie? Everyone unvotes except me and TOML leaving our votes on each other. Then anyone who jumps back in will be clearly tampering.
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Feb 19, 2015 10:30
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We're all gonna look pretty geeky, yeah.
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Feb 19, 2015 10:30
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Bifauxnen posted:If you guys actualy like the plan, how's this sound for an easy way to enforce the tie? Everyone unvotes except me and TOML leaving our votes on each other. Then anyone who jumps back in will be clearly tampering. It's a horrible goddamn plan because it might cause us to lose three town players. You might be town, TOML might be town, and whoever you pick for your bomb might also be town.
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This thread just keeps delivering. So what happens if everyone unvotes? Is it a no lynch day? Are these powers usually given to town? Because while Bif was acting suss like she was in other games where she was scum - it is actually similar to the way she posted in the mini game where she wasn't scum. She actually ran up against TOML who was in that game. I am not sure that either of then are scum and I don't fancy losing two town. dj-bbq you were going to offer your night actions. If its an investigative role and you have info that helps the town - then feel free to share it as it will only be believed after your death. If you dont have info that helps town - you should be quiet
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Feb 19, 2015 10:31
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This is an absurdly bad position for the town to be in.
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Freudian Slip posted:This thread just keeps delivering. I'd assume that comes to a draw of zero votes and both die.
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If we succeed in a tie, in which both TOML and I die, I would like to use the lynchbomb on BBQ unless anyone has a convincing enough objection. If we get the tie plan successfully set up, I will announce that as my move to Gaspy, on the condition that it does indeed remain in a tie.
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Bifauxnen posted:If we succeed in a tie, in which both TOML and I die, I would like to use the lynchbomb on BBQ unless anyone has a convincing enough objection. If we get the tie plan successfully set up, I will announce that as my move to Gaspy, on the condition that it does indeed remain in a tie. I'm for that. It'll stir the pot something fierce.
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Bifauxnen posted:For the record Beet, do you in fact still think TOML is town, and why? You keep asking me to put things on the record. Is this a court of law? Are you going to try trip me up later? Are you going to try say 'OMG he's doing that siding with town thing he says is scummy' I am confident he is one of the least likely candidates to be scum. If you want to translate that as him being town, sure do it. I'm never 100% sure on people until i've seen them flip or found out through other means. BBQ I am unsure of, but he would be a lot lower on my scum list than you. Would I call him town? No. Would I call him scum? Not really yet. Hidden is at this same level except he's not posted AT ALL TODAY. NOT ONCE. YOU KEEP IGNORING THIS WHEN I POINT IT OUT. We're 26 minutes out from hammer and when I pointed out earlier today that hidden hasn't posted the first thing you do is say i'm defending BBQ? ffs bif, take your blinkers off. TOML isn't holding a smoking gun, as in he hasn't done anything really dumb or tripped up, where i've pointed out a few times where I think you have done so. TOML hasn't been as active as in past games, but i've been so smashed with work lately, as you were d1, so i can excuse that behaviour somewhat because we all have lives(tm). No he hasn't scum hunted that greatly but when pushed he came out with a huge effort post which is really exposing yourself if you're scum. it's laughable to even suggest that's scummy. Like Milky's been laying low and would be higher on my scumdar by now, up there with you actually, except i have reasons for his behaviour and that was all spoken about earlier today. Milky i'm fairly sure isn't scum. On this line of thinking, neither is tirade. The interaction they had can only be answered satisfactorily one way and that somewhat clears tirade a bit too.
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Bifauxnen posted:If we succeed in a tie, in which both TOML and I die, I would like to use the lynchbomb on BBQ unless anyone has a convincing enough objection. If we get the tie plan successfully set up, I will announce that as my move to Gaspy, on the condition that it does indeed remain in a tie. This is a really scummy play. Gwynplaine posted:I'm for that. It'll stir the pot something fierce. It could very well lose the town the game if all three of them are town. Hell, if two of them are town it's going to be nasty. Remember, scum know who the scum are. Bif could be all for the idea because she knows that DJ is town.
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Feb 19, 2015 10:36
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There's another way the Milky issue could be answered Beet, you haven't considered it at all? But that might be me being overparanoid.
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Feb 19, 2015 10:38
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Do we have any information that might paint a better picture?
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Feb 19, 2015 10:38
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Milky Moor posted:This is an absurdly bad position for the town to be in. yeah, who the hell got us here?
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Feb 19, 2015 10:39
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Maybe I'll should just go for Milky, cause if he is what Beet's always suggesting that he is, he's been making picks at least as bad as me and causing just as much damage, even if I have hosed this up.
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Bifauxnen posted:There's another way the Milky issue could be answered Beet, you haven't considered it at all? But that might be me being overparanoid. And what's that? Matthew Beet posted:yeah, who the hell got us here? Bif by acting weird and scummy, TOML by locking us in. Neither are entirely blameless. But the real issue hinges on Bif's claim as a lynch bomb which, while usually town-aligned, isn't necessarily always town-aligned. And the claim is, of course, not even necessarily true.
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Feb 19, 2015 10:40
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but it's interesting that TOML has not shown at all since he used his ability.
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Feb 19, 2015 10:40
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Bifauxnen posted:There's another way the Milky issue could be answered Beet, you haven't considered it at all? But that might be me being overparanoid. It's an exceptional play if so, but this morning you didn't even know what the easy assumption was. are you trying to make me deliberately suss on milky now?
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Bifauxnen posted:Maybe I'll should just go for Milky, cause if he is what Beet's always suggesting that he is, he's been making picks at least as bad as me and causing just as much damage, even if I have hosed this up. Then you'll be knocking out one of the only chances for the town to recover. My first pick was blocked. That's all the information anyone is getting until this is resolved.
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This is fubar - but it is glorious. Well constructed Gaspy. If Bif is scum then its unlikely that she is a lynchbomb. It still means there is a chance that we lose 3 towns though :/
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Bifauxnen posted:Maybe I'll should just go for Milky, cause if he is what Beet's always suggesting that he is, he's been making picks at least as bad as me and causing just as much damage, even if I have hosed this up. That would still be a town kill. Bif, if you're not scum, use your head. You sound like you're being more vindictive than anything. Why would you risk three town? Even two town? Are you that, 100% sold on toml?
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100% without a doubt, omg beet's never gonna let me forget this if he flips town, sure that toml is town?
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I don't know what the hell to think, honestly. Maybe the bad calls are a result of a noob vig who doesn't know any better to counterclaim. Like hiddenmovement and his ability he didn't know how to use well.
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The other possibility is that Bif and TOML are both scum on different teams. I hope that's the case.
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Bifauxnen posted:I don't know what the hell to think, honestly. Maybe the bad calls are a result of a noob vig who doesn't know any better to counterclaim. Like hiddenmovement and his ability he didn't know how to use well. no, i'm pretty sure hidden movement isn't the vigilante he could be anything else though, scum aligner serial killer. actually, a watcher or tracker is a role that might not seem that useful to a newbie? i remember first time I was one I was like " what do i do now?"
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Bifauxnen posted:but it's interesting that TOML has not shown at all since he used his ability. i think he was going out, he asked milky to make a decision in 10mins and he did say he was going out every night with friends while his partner was away.
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Feb 19, 2015 10:46
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Actually scratch that, just read hiddenmovement and he seemed real confused about why the vig wouldn't kill Coq.
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Matthew Beet posted:i think he was going out, he asked milky to make a decision in 10mins and he did say he was going out every night with friends while his partner was away. well he said the last bit last game.
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Milky Moor posted:The other possibility is that Bif and TOML are both scum on different teams. Unlikely but it would be very auspol. Sorry for not being able to contribute more - but I don't know the right play. It seems to be mainly in Bifs hands
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Feb 19, 2015 10:47
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loving hell. Explain what needs to be done for the least amount of people to die.
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Feb 19, 2015 10:48
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Like you Beet, I'm never 100% sold on anybody. But TOML is my best guess I have now. I know you and TOML had it wrong on me, I could have it wrong on you but so it goes.
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Tirade posted:loving hell. Explain what needs to be done for the least amount of people to die. Ensure that TOML is the one who loses the duel. I could draw up a bit of model but there's no way I'd have it done in ten minutes and there's a lot of variables in play. Chief among them is whether Bifauxnen is being honest or not.
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Feb 19, 2015 10:50
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How do lynchbombs work?
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Feb 19, 2015 10:50
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Milky Moor posted:Ensure that TOML is the one who loses the duel. I think bif is full of poo poo.
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Tirade posted:How do lynchbombs work? When lynched, the bomb chooses someone to also be killed.
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